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ORIGINAL: BamaD

None but the statistics he provided which where quite clear for example Fl saw a 30% decrease in crime in the 3 years after they passed concealed carry. The average drop was 3% with no case of a increase. Your review board started from your position and ignored anything that didn't agree with them.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

None but the statistics he provided which where quite clear for example Fl saw a 30% decrease in crime in the 3 years after they passed concealed carry. The average drop was 3% with no case of a increase. Your review board started from your position and ignored anything that didn't agree with them.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The actual fact is there remains no better determinant of the violent crime rate than the size of population cohort that is male and between 15 and 25. If he failed to control for that, and he failed to do so, his numbers are meaningless and there can be no causul relationship established until that primary variable is controlled for in his analysis.

The decisive factors in violent crime rates are social and cultural. Granting that most violent offenders fall in the 15-25 age range and are male, if that were a determining factor we could confidently expect that our high schools would be snake pits of violence. But the vast majority are not, despite almost all of them having roughly equal cohorts of males in the middle of that age range. So the only "actual fact" here is that your training in statistics apparently didn't include how to interpret them.

K.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You say you used to be a cop. If so you know that by listening to the questions people ask you can tell were they are coming from.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

By now, the scene is familiar: Two men get into an altercation — one black, one Hispanic. One is armed with a handgun and shoots the other dead. The victim is unarmed; the shooter claims self-defense and walks free.

For more than a month, the victim's family waits to see whether authorities will file charges against the shooter.

Except this tragedy did not play out among the hedges of a Sanford, Fla. apartment complex, where a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer shot and killed an unarmed black teen. It occurred under the flourescent lights of a Taco Bell parking lot in Phoenix on April 3

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-27/stand-your-ground-law-trayvon-martin/55208980/1

For the record, I find the Martin case and this one equally upsetting, although this case seems less about police misconduct.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

By now, the scene is familiar: Two men get into an altercation — one black, one Hispanic. One is armed with a handgun and shoots the other dead. The victim is unarmed; the shooter claims self-defense and walks free.

For more than a month, the victim's family waits to see whether authorities will file charges against the shooter.

Except this tragedy did not play out among the hedges of a Sanford, Fla. apartment complex, where a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer shot and killed an unarmed black teen. It occurred under the flourescent lights of a Taco Bell parking lot in Phoenix on April 3

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-27/stand-your-ground-law-trayvon-martin/55208980/1

For the record, I find the Martin case and this one equally upsetting, although this case seems less about police misconduct.

The shooter was black, therefore it's not racist.

Only if the shooter is not black is it a racist incident.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
The decisive factors in violent crime rates are social and cultural. Granting that most violent offenders fall in the 15-25 age range and are male, if that were a determining factor we could confidently expect that our high schools would be snake pits of violence. But the vast majority are not, despite almost all of them having roughly equal cohorts of males in the middle of that age range. So the only "actual fact" here is that your training in statistics apparently didn't include how to interpret them.

So where are your links..

For the decisive factors in violent crime rates being social and cultural? Here ya go:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

The latest data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that 3,184 children and teens died from gunfire in the United States in 2006 - a 6 percent increase from 2005.

And your point is what, precisely? Were they shot by legally owned guns carried by licensed permit-holders? Were the deaths evenly distributed, or did the majority occur in gang-ridden inner-city neighborhoods beset by social problems? Do you have a fucking clue what you're talking about?

K.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

CDC is notorious for scewing these figures.
The 4 times as likely to be injued by the gun survey for example included home invasions where the only gun in the house was carred by the intruder.
Their last surrvey on children killed by guns included 25 year old gang bangers killed in shootouts with police.
I'd trust the National Enquirer over them.