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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
That doesn't meet the logic test. First off criminal thugs are likely to be engaged in some type of criminal activity thus not covered under SYG.

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ORIGINAL: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/a-night-inside-south-floridas-gang-wars/
During this traffic stop, police find a handgun and some powder cocaine inside the car. Almaguer says the gangs have learned how to structure their crews so that at least one of them can be legally armed.

One member of a crew will have a concealed weapons permit, allowing them to be armed.

In Florida, anyone can get a gun permit as long as they have not been convicted of a crime. In some cases, Almaguer claimed, individuals may have multiple of arrests, but they get to keep their gun permit until they have an actual conviction.

So you end up with a situation where one guy holds the gun, another guy holds the dope, and a third guy drives.

“And there is nothing you can do about it because [the guy with the gun] has no convictions,” Almaguer said. “They’ve figured out the system and still have a firearm on them.”

The traffic stop ends with the guy holding the cocaine going to jail while the man with the concealed weapons permit was given back his gun and let go.

No one in the unit thinks they’ll eradicate the gangs, this is about trying to manage and control the violence.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
And I would bet any amount of money ya can't find a gang banger or any other type of criminal thug with a concealed carry permit not to mention these guys have felony records which bars them from possessing a gun in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
That doesn't meet the logic test. First off criminal thugs are likely to be engaged in some type of criminal activity thus not covered under SYG.

Here's the thing it turns out that organized crime wasn't born yesterday.

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ORIGINAL: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/a-night-inside-south-floridas-gang-wars/
During this traffic stop, police find a handgun and some powder cocaine inside the car. Almaguer says the gangs have learned how to structure their crews so that at least one of them can be legally armed.

One member of a crew will have a concealed weapons permit, allowing them to be armed.

In Florida, anyone can get a gun permit as long as they have not been convicted of a crime. In some cases, Almaguer claimed, individuals may have multiple of arrests, but they get to keep their gun permit until they have an actual conviction.

So you end up with a situation where one guy holds the gun, another guy holds the dope, and a third guy drives.

“And there is nothing you can do about it because [the guy with the gun] has no convictions,” Almaguer said. “They’ve figured out the system and still have a firearm on them.”

The traffic stop ends with the guy holding the cocaine going to jail while the man with the concealed weapons permit was given back his gun and let go.

No one in the unit thinks they’ll eradicate the gangs, this is about trying to manage and control the violence.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
And I would bet any amount of money ya can't find a gang banger or any other type of criminal thug with a concealed carry permit not to mention these guys have felony records which bars them from possessing a gun in the first place.

First of all pay up and secondly did you get that stereotype from a comic book or a badly written action movie?

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
That doesn't meet the logic test. First off criminal thugs are likely to be engaged in some type of criminal activity thus not covered under SYG.

Here's the thing it turns out that organized crime wasn't born yesterday.

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ORIGINAL: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/a-night-inside-south-floridas-gang-wars/
During this traffic stop, police find a handgun and some powder cocaine inside the car. Almaguer says the gangs have learned how to structure their crews so that at least one of them can be legally armed.

One member of a crew will have a concealed weapons permit, allowing them to be armed.

In Florida, anyone can get a gun permit as long as they have not been convicted of a crime. In some cases, Almaguer claimed, individuals may have multiple of arrests, but they get to keep their gun permit until they have an actual conviction.

So you end up with a situation where one guy holds the gun, another guy holds the dope, and a third guy drives.

“And there is nothing you can do about it because [the guy with the gun] has no convictions,” Almaguer said. “They’ve figured out the system and still have a firearm on them.”

The traffic stop ends with the guy holding the cocaine going to jail while the man with the concealed weapons permit was given back his gun and let go.

No one in the unit thinks they’ll eradicate the gangs, this is about trying to manage and control the violence.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
And I would bet any amount of money ya can't find a gang banger or any other type of criminal thug with a concealed carry permit not to mention these guys have felony records which bars them from possessing a gun in the first place.

First of all pay up and secondly did you get that stereotype from a comic book or a badly written action movie?

So some of these guys have figured a way around it. It still doesn't make it right that a law abiding citizen should be denied the means of self defense all the while gang bangers are going to be packin regardless of the law. In any case there are not so many of these guys that don't already have criminal records. Your problem is that you don't like guns or citizens using them to defend themselves. Not only that but if the guy who legally has the gun ends up having to use it he won't be covered under SYG if it's a result of criminal activity, but he will be covered under 10 - 20 - life which I'm sure we can all agree is a good law.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Did you know that the strict New York gun laws were written so that the crook in charge of New York polotics at the time could see to it that only his thugs would have guns.?


As usually you when faced with an opinion different from you own you change the topic to something that has no relationship to what has been expressed.

The senerio you have described doesn't sound right under U S drug law.
The authorities in that situation can confiscate the car and everything in it.
Not only that but you have not struck a blow against the law but merely stated what we all know, the bad guys are always trying to find ways around the law.

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Just for clarification.  What you are saying is that even though this law if fawled it should not be corrected in anyway because to do so would force you give up your gun?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The senerio you have described doesn't sound right under U S drug law.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

So let me get this straight the only adjustment you would make to syg is a gun ban.
Worked really well in D C didn't it.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The senerio you have described doesn't sound right under U S drug law.

I described? Where is this "senerio" involving US drug law that I'm supposed to have described?

Are you talking about me quoting CBS4′s Jim DeFede's report of what happened during his ride along with Lt. Luis, commander of the Almaguer Miami-Dade Police Department’s Gang Unit?

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law abiding citizen should be denied the means of self defense

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Crime in D C doubled after the gun ban and you know it
And much of their crime drop came after the gun ban was overruled and you know that too