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Owner59 -> U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 5:56:14 AM)

No way......the con talking points say that our debt is growing...President Obama`s fault yada yada.....

"WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Everyone knows America has too much debt. What they don’t know is that things are getting better, not worse.
Little by little, our economy is reducing its debt burden, slowly repairing the damage caused by 10, 20 or 30 years of excess.

If you want to know why economic growth has been so tepid, here’s your answer. Four years after the storm hit, the economy is still deleveraging. And it’s very hard for any economy to grow when everyone is focused on increasing their savings.

Total domestic — public and private — debt as a share of the economy has declined for 12 quarters in a row after surging over the previous decade.

The rapid rise in federal debt over the past four years has distracted us from the big picture. The level of public debt is indeed worrisome, but it’s not as big a worry as the economy’s total level of debt — public and private.
Although we have a whole cottage industry devoted to warning us about the dangers of too much public debt, we don’t have any comparable Cassandras telling us about the dangers of too much private debt. Yet the history of the past 30 years (or 300) clearly shows that too much debt, of whatever variety, can pose a systemic risk to the national and global economies.

As much as we hear politicians, pundits, tea-party patriots and the Congressional Budget Office obsessing about government debt, it was excessive private debt — not public debt — that caused the 2008 financial meltdown"




DarkSteven -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 6:05:52 AM)

Owner, you clearly took excerpts from an article. Please provide a link to it.

The fact that private debt is decreasing is no surprise. We've gone from credit-happiness to tight lending criteria.




Owner59 -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 6:11:20 AM)

Got modded for posting to much text.......the link has the rest.

Enjoy.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-debt-load-falling-fastest-040045522.html




Arturas -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 6:53:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

No way......the con talking points say that our debt is growing...President Obama`s fault yada yada.....

"WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Everyone knows America has too much debt. What they don’t know is that things are getting better, not worse.
Little by little, our economy is reducing its debt burden, slowly repairing the damage caused by 10, 20 or 30 years of excess.

If you want to know why economic growth has been so tepid, here’s your answer. Four years after the storm hit, the economy is still deleveraging. And it’s very hard for any economy to grow when everyone is focused on increasing their savings.

Total domestic — public and private — debt as a share of the economy has declined for 12 quarters in a row after surging over the previous decade.

The rapid rise in federal debt over the past four years has distracted us from the big picture. The level of public debt is indeed worrisome, but it’s not as big a worry as the economy’s total level of debt — public and private.
Although we have a whole cottage industry devoted to warning us about the dangers of too much public debt, we don’t have any comparable Cassandras telling us about the dangers of too much private debt. Yet the history of the past 30 years (or 300) clearly shows that too much debt, of whatever variety, can pose a systemic risk to the national and global economies.

As much as we hear politicians, pundits, tea-party patriots and the Congressional Budget Office obsessing about government debt, it was excessive private debt — not public debt — that caused the 2008 financial meltdown"



Yes. Personal debt bankrolled by easy Mortgages caused the 2008 meltdown. Easy mortages were caused by the Frank Barney, democrate, with Clinton's support; remember the newspaper articles in early 2007 writing about how new homeowners were scared their one year ARM was about to reset and their payment triples? The Demos were behind that in order to buy votes from those who could not buy a house otherwise.

That was then. Now, excess public debt and spend, spend policies and a crazy and Unconsitutional heath care plan that is anti buisness and therefore anti-jobs have frozen economic investment.

Not to worry, the Supreme Court announces their rulling by Monday nailing another nail in a sad and failed Presidency and come November the President goes lame duck and is replaced. Finally, the Democratic party purges the extreme left and comes back to a centralist policy and fields another Clintion in 2016 and by then we are not whole but where we should be.

P.S. if you can hang on. I know many are on the dole and getting ready to be pushed of it and are sweating some real economic issues and maybe even homelessness. It's getting desperate for some now as unemployment funds run out. I see whole families begging on the corners now and people getting groceries on a bicycle in dense traffic. This is a sign of more things to come before it gets better and better is not what it was before but how it will be now, back to a pre-industrial economy unless the GOP can actually reduce the debt, clear out excess repo'ed houses, entice business reinvestment with the lure of very cheap energy.




mnottertail -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 8:05:25 AM)

Is this like a fuckin nickelodeon plot?  Why didn't you post this in creative writing?




papassion -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 8:36:54 AM)


Did you see where the Congressional budget Office said yesterday that unless debt is brought under control, shit is going to hit the fan big time! People on the dole better start looking for some way to EARN money. The government can't send you money from an empty box! Obama's view of the world is running into a solid wall called reality!




mnottertail -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 8:39:39 AM)

well its the house doing it of course. So Obamas reality isnt gonna matter,




Owner59 -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 8:44:30 AM)

The SCOTUS ruling isn`t going to change anything politically.......if anything, it`ll cause more folks to vote for the president and/or become active.

I think the cons are still under the delusion that the supreme court runs things ever since they appointed bush to the presidency.....




DesideriScuri -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 9:27:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The fact that private debt is decreasing is no surprise. We've gone from credit-happiness to tight lending criteria.


And, to be honest, I cheer this change on! It was our credit-wanton-ness that fucked it all up. That was fueled by cheap credit from The Fed. I've been talking about raising interest rates for a couple years now. Try to get people to save instead of spend.

Since loans from banks are *supposed* to come from their pile of savings, wouldn't increasing those savings mean an increase in loanable funds? Huh. Go figure. Americans need to drop their consumption levels. Until we do, we'll always have issues like we are having.




RacerJim -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 10:02:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well its the house doing it of course. So Obamas reality isnt gonna matter,

LIAR! The Democratic Senate has refused to even debate, nevermind pass, a Federal budget since 2009. Obama's reality hasn't mattered to Congress, which resoundingly replied "NUTS" to his 2011 & 2012 Federal budget proprosals.




mnottertail -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 10:07:02 AM)

That notion is extremely ignorant.   The budgets that have been forwarded by the teabaggers are unworkable, inept, and unconscionable.  Why would the Senate debate something eqiuvalent to:  Resolved, cement is lighter than air?

One need not debate every stupid and ignorant ideological rushfelch of teabaggers and neo-cons. 


And the senate is a separate branch and not beholden to Obama and that is his reality.




DarkSteven -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 11:11:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The fact that private debt is decreasing is no surprise. We've gone from credit-happiness to tight lending criteria.


And, to be honest, I cheer this change on! It was our credit-wanton-ness that fucked it all up. That was fueled by cheap credit from The Fed. I've been talking about raising interest rates for a couple years now. Try to get people to save instead of spend.

Since loans from banks are *supposed* to come from their pile of savings, wouldn't increasing those savings mean an increase in loanable funds? Huh. Go figure. Americans need to drop their consumption levels. Until we do, we'll always have issues like we are having.


I dunno. I don't look at this as a question of tight credit vs loose credit. I wonder what the optimum level of credit looseness is, so to speak.

The looser credit is, the more consumption will be. Consumption is of course a good thing - as long as the ability (and inclination) exists to pay off the credit.




Kirata -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 11:23:34 AM)


~ FR ~

U.S. National Debt Clock

K.




Arturas -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 11:34:40 AM)

There i
quote:

I think the cons are still under the delusion that the supreme court runs things ever since they appointed bush to the presidency.....


There it is, who would have guessed. You still have not gotten over the falling chad nonesense and the fact the Supreme Court had to stop election thieft by hanging chad voting in which a Gore hanging chad was counted as a vote for him.

Hey election monitor, there's a hanging chad here over Bush's name, what do I do"?
"Leave it and punch the chad out for Gore of course and leave the other hanging. What, you want Bush to win"?




mnottertail -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 11:38:25 AM)

Hanging chads wasn't ever one of the issues the SCOTUS had before them.

Sorta like they didn't have the issue of the RNC guy in the Minneapolis Airport bathroom before them.  




Arturas -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 11:50:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Hanging chads wasn't ever one of the issues the SCOTUS had before them.

Sorta like they didn't have the issue of the RNC guy in the Minneapolis Airport bathroom before them.  


Hi Troll.

The Supremes ruled against a recount when the DNC filed suite for a recount after hanging chad ballots were not counted originally. The DNC was hoping that manually deciding each hanging chat ballot would turn the election. However, since the Supremes are too wise to let that nonesense happen then whoever was ahead when dubious ballots were thrown out won the election.





Moonhead -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 12:01:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The looser credit is, the more consumption will be. Consumption is of course a good thing - as long as the ability (and inclination) exists to pay off the credit.

Sadly, the plutocracy doesn't see it that way: they'd rather hoard their assets however many of your countrymen end up unemployed (and probably unemployable) as a result.




mnottertail -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 12:23:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Hanging chads wasn't ever one of the issues the SCOTUS had before them.

Sorta like they didn't have the issue of the RNC guy in the Minneapolis Airport bathroom before them.  


Hi Troll.

The Supremes ruled against a recount when the DNC filed suite for a recount after hanging chad ballots were not counted originally. The DNC was hoping that manually deciding each hanging chat ballot would turn the election. However, since the Supremes are too wise to let that nonesense happen then whoever was ahead when dubious ballots were thrown out won the election.




Hello lyingtroll.

No they did not.

The federal supreme court overturned a state supreme court ruling as unconstititional that required a manual recount.because it couldnt be completed in time to allow state legislators to elect electors as provided by federal law.   in the opinion they said the fucking counts were as flakey as a used rubber, but time was the issue.

You should read, or you will actually appear quite imbecilic to those out here who don't know how ill informed on these matters you are.  




Moonhead -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 12:25:59 PM)

In fact, stopping a state wide recount is illegal under Florida election law, is it not?




mnottertail -> RE: U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s (6/8/2012 12:51:49 PM)

Yeah fuck that bigger fed and states rights issues (since no voting by the people is done at a federal level but state to state....we have this bit off scrap we call the constitution) these are republicans we are talking about and they brought the suit, so it was all american.




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