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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/9/2012 4:23:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Chatte, though I really wasn't thinking mean or sadistic. That from me normally require things like fire and blood. It was just something that crawled into my head the first time mummy and I talked about his toys.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/9/2012 6:44:20 PM   
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I'm the McGuyver of BDSM


Hi, Mcguyver, I'm the Martha Stewart of home made sex toys....I've always wanted to shake your hand. I have a rubber band, a drinking staw, and seven paper clips. I bet if we think about it we can find a way to hurt someone with them.

We really should go shoping together some time

I think you and I would have a blast if we hit a store together.  I *love* brainstorming with other people who have a good deviant mind.  (I know you do.  I noticed it on one of mummy's other threads.)


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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/9/2012 6:45:18 PM   
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i cannot imagine that there's imagination in BDSM ;)

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/9/2012 8:45:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		He seems to be quite creative with his teeth alone. <soothes the bites all over her from tonight>

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/9/2012 9:24:36 PM   
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I go to the NYC Rubber ball and I am just always amazed as the new designs and outfits created every year.

Despite the fact that most of them are more or less identical to the costumes from the year before?

(And just so we're clear on this: we disagree because you think that getting yourself shrinkwrapped makes you the creative equal of Ray Bradbury.)


Moonhead,
Well its obvious you have never been to the NYC rubber ball more than once if at all. There are some very original designs each year. If you had attended you would know that.


I never said my mind was even close to Ray's with regards to imagination. I simply stated its imagination that has made BDSM so wonderful. I never tried to take anything away from Ray Bradbury. He was a true artist. Many tried to duplicate his work and none succeeded. His brillant imagination is what made him so successful. And that same imagination in the minds of others helped create the world of BDSM. That is only my opinion but I am passionate about it.

If you think mummification is only shrink wrap then its your imagination that is rather lacking. Mummification bondage comes in many forms. Mummification bondage was around before the invention of shrink wrap. What you did not know that? But I guess you are too young to know that. Silk scarves was one of the main methods of mummification prior to shrink wrap. But there are many other forms as well. The artistry of several hundred silks scarves around a human body is rather exquisite. It will be hard to find that information though on the internet. That was pre internet.

It seems your view of BDSM has been formed by porn and not real life. And that is really ashame. Because there are very creative people out there.



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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 4:23:39 AM   
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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 6:52:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		My imagination in D/s play is heightened the hornier I am - and then virtually disappears from the moment of orgasm throughout the refractory period. Then my imagination builds up yet again ... and the longer it goes ... the more imaginative I get ... till the cycle renews.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 7:49:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Given that men respond almost universally well to porn (straight, gay, or otherwise), and rationalizing the odd observance that (a) many women often prefer not to see cock shots, while, at the same time, (b) many men (I being one of them) can stare at pussy closeups for hours upon hours and days upon days and never once get bored ... I've come to the conclusion that men (in general) IMAGINE (i.e., visualize) a lot more than women do, at least when it comes to the constructive use of porn - and specifically to this topic, BDSM porn.

I've done no studies - so I can be off base ... but it seems that many of us don't see a single picture of a naked woman bound hand and foot. Nope. We see (in our perverted imaginative minds) our personal slave bound hand and foot doing a hundred things upon command - all the while looking at a single picture. If that's not imagination in its finest sense, I don't know what is.

Coming back to the cock shots, I ponder why many women say they don't want to see a guys' cock in their profile or sent to them. I understand (and have read all the reasons why) - but I've never heard the simple fact that men are much more imaginative (I'm postulating) than women when it comes to such things. Without taking this thread off base (to a cock shot diatribe) ... my presumption is that some people (men and women in this case) are more imaginative than others - and that imagination extends to the viewing (and subsequent pleasure) of porn.

It's the same with kids and their toys (whether they be dolls or soldiers). The more imaginative they are - the more pleasurable the toy.

Summary: There is PLENTY of imagination in BDSM - just look at the plethora of BDSM porn (e.g., www.bondagepaper.com).

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 8:21:18 AM   
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My imagination in D/s play is heightened the hornier I am - and then virtually disappears from the moment of orgasm throughout the refractory period. Then my imagination builds up yet again ... and the longer it goes ... the more imaginative I get ... till the cycle renews.

That's what Colin Wilson used to call "activation syndrome". That's the sense in which you can't argue that D/s and roleplaying involves a lot of imagination. Not the same thing as the creative sort of imagination at all, though, which is why I find mummyman equating the two so ridiculous.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 8:39:28 AM   
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I've done no studies - so I can be off base ... but it seems that many of us don't see a single picture of a naked woman bound hand and foot. Nope. We see (in our perverted imaginative minds) our personal slave bound hand and foot doing a hundred things upon command - all the while looking at a single picture. If that's not imagination in its finest sense, I don't know what is.

Coming back to the cock shots, I ponder why many women say they don't want to see a guys' cock in their profile or sent to them. I understand (and have read all the reasons why) - but I've never heard the simple fact that men are much more imaginative (I'm postulating) than women when it comes to such things. Without taking this thread off base (to a cock shot diatribe) ... my presumption is that some people (men and women in this case) are more imaginative than others - and that imagination extends to the viewing (and subsequent pleasure) of porn.


Perhaps in general, different mediums excite the imaginations of different genders? Take the success of 50 Shades of Grey and romance novels with women. The only XXX film I like has a cyber punk plot and an attempt at acting. When I read BDSM erotica, I enjoy imaging myself there; visual porn, not so much.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 8:55:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Probably because visual porn, as a rule, has almost no sense of romance or mystery to it. That's a very good example of the sort of relentless banalisation of fetish imagery I've been complaining about, as a matter of fact. Creative entropy in action. The really chilling thing about that is the way that some of the current big names in photography don't do any better than some twerp who's put a clip of him spanking his girlfriend in rubber stockings in his front room on youtube...

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 9:24:39 AM   
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different mediums excite the imaginations of different genders?


True. Very true.

In general (which means someone will say it doesn't apply to them), the visual appears to be the guy's imaginative domain - while the literary appears to 'activate' the female.

Speaking for the perverted imaginative guy inside of me - and linking the topic of imaginative BDSM, what I 'imaginate whenever I "see" any woman, is her subbing to me. It could simply be a lecturing prim-and-proper teacher whom I wish to spank, unbeknownst to her, a helpful store clerk that I would tell to lift her skirt as she bows to me in my mind but who is trying to sell me something; an innocent but sexy bystander who, perhaps never even sees me but who, in my mind, is already kneeling as she starts to crawl toward me in submission, or even a measly little 2-dimensional 640x480 pixel color photograph of a bound model who, in my mind, instantly comes to life as a barbie doll does to a child - as one who has already suffered numerous D/s indignities and is bound to suffer 'smore wholly at my beck and command.

Such is the power of my perverse D/s imagination in play!

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 9:26:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

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I'm the McGuyver of BDSM


Hi, Mcguyver, I'm the Martha Stewart of home made sex toys....I've always wanted to shake your hand. I have a rubber band, a drinking staw, and seven paper clips. I bet if we think about it we can find a way to hurt someone with them.

We really should go shoping together some time

I think you and I would have a blast if we hit a store together.  I *love* brainstorming with other people who have a good deviant mind.  (I know you do.  I noticed it on one of mummy's other threads.)


Kana stealing the lilones ID
Take the straw, use it like a vaccuum tube, suck her clit till its totally engorged. Use the rubber band to tie the clit off while still swollen, then sterilize the paper clips and use as skewers to impale the little man in the boat.
Voila.
Instant joy-screams galore!

*Cheers*

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 9:31:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

quote:

I'm the McGuyver of BDSM


Hi, Mcguyver, I'm the Martha Stewart of home made sex toys....I've always wanted to shake your hand. I have a rubber band, a drinking staw, and seven paper clips. I bet if we think about it we can find a way to hurt someone with them.

We really should go shoping together some time

I think you and I would have a blast if we hit a store together.  I *love* brainstorming with other people who have a good deviant mind.  (I know you do.  I noticed it on one of mummy's other threads.)


Kana stealing the lilones ID
Take the straw, use it like a vaccuum tube, suck her clit till its totally engorged. Use the rubber band to tie the clit off while still swollen, then sterilize the paper clips and use as skewers to impale the little man in the boat.
Voila.
Instant joy-screams galore!

*Cheers*


Got to love the creative wonder of kinkiness in people

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 9:53:02 AM   
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Insert the straw into the boys urethra (the straw is sterile,don't anyone scream at me) Take the rubber band (large postal sort of rubber band) put it way back over the base of the cock. pull it down below the nuts. Form a figure 8 that seperates the nuts. Then loop the rest of the rubber band back and forth around the cock working toward the tip and making a pretty braided look and a nice amount of pressue. Take the seven paper clips and carefully hook them onto different places on the rubber band. Tap the tip of the straw that will still be sticking out of the head of the penis with your finger. When the boy winces pick a paper clip and pull it way from where it is hanging. Let it go. Tap the end of the straw again(make sure at some point you tell the boy not to move) When he moves, and he will, pick another paper clip. Pull it away from him, let it go. Repeat until ...you end up laughing so hard you can't do it anymore....the boy needs up crying to the point that he can't stand it anymore....which ever happens first.




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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 9:53:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kana, genital torture was My thought on the matter, too.  It almost seemed like CBT was the automatic go to.  My other thought was create a chain out of six of the paperclips, three on each side, with the rubber band connecting them in the middle.  Use the straw as the 'handle' for pulling in.  Instant nipple chain.  The seventh paperclip could be used depending on whether your recipient was good or bad about the whole process.  The tongue is always an interesting target.  Then again, you could straighten that last one out and just use it as a proper for a mind fuck.  Just tell them that you are trying to get it as straight as possible because you're interested in seeing if it would make a good urethra sound.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 10:30:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you mean by "Imagination", creativity then I would answer as follows.

For me, BDSM is always about a dynamic. Generally between two people, but, of course, there are variations on that, too. So in my own experience, sometimes with certain people, I have had what I would characterize as a more creative BDSM dynamic than with others. Some people are really great at thinking about things differently (even in a genre that is saturated with porn and external images). And it has been my personal experience, that my having tremendous creativity or imagination is not as critical as my Top/Dominant having creativity/imagination, because at the end of the day, I'm not the one who is generally masterminding a scene.

My main frustration with the BDSM world is that many Tops/Dominants are interested in re-creating something they've read about or seen somewhere, but often have less creativity of their own that they bring into the dynamic. And it's such a shame. Because I think the BDSM world lends itself to tremendous creativity for those who bring creativity into it.

My best relationships have been with people (vanilla or BDSM) who were very creative. I like to take the basics of BDSM (however one defines that personally) and then being able to "run with it". But not everyone I've encountered approaches it the same way. A lot of people have ideas that have come from external imagery, and what they want is to simply re-create that. Not as fun, in my mind, but then the BDSM world is a big place, and it is always about finding the right match for one personally. In other words, plenty of people in the BDSM world have successful relationships that are not particularly creative, that stick pretty close to the standard BDSM "plot line" so to speak. But if it works for them, it works for them.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 10:50:29 AM   
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Is there Imagination in BDSM? In another thread I stated that it was imaginative minds that has made BDSM great. Another poster found BDSM to not be creative at all and rather mundane. So naturally I need to ask the community how do you feel?

I think that imagination is a part of the human condition and like all other such things, exists in BDSM and vanilla equally.

In some ways I look at what I see among kinksters and think it's highly imaginative and in other ways highly restrictive.

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 12:09:34 PM   
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My main frustration with the BDSM world is that many Tops/Dominants are interested in re-creating something they've read about or seen somewhere, but often have less creativity of their own that they bring into the dynamic.

I'll see your "less" and raise you a "fuck all".

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RE: Is There Imagination in BDSM? - 6/10/2012 12:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Creativity" and "Imaginative" are subjective terms. What is creative and/or imaginative to one may not be to another. Who is to say that "borrowing" a bit of a scene you have seen or simply read about and putting your own spin on it is not a creative use of your imagination? Isn't there always room for innovation and "improvement" with small changes in the details?

There are opportunities, all around us, to use our creativity and imagination to make an experience unique for our self and our partner(s).


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