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I'm not arguing with that. I just find the OP's apparent conviction that us pervs are all far more creative and imaginative than the vanilla mundanes who couldn't conceive of the stuff we've (if we're honest with ourselves) taken from people who did have a bit of creativity and copied parrot fashion completely wrongheaded even without the Ray Bradbury thing. You might as well say that the ability to GM a game of Dungeons and Dragons well enough that everybody playing has a good time (which is definitely not an undemanding task) is equivalent to writing The Lord Of The Rings, or even one of the many sub Tolkein pastiche trilogies that have become popular since the late '70s.

As you say, creativity and imagination are subjective, but they're also analogue scales rather than digital. Saying that you either are or aren't is nonsense, and there's plenty of people leading vanilla lives who have their dials cranked up much higher than some zeeb who thinks that they're special and better than the next person because they have a slightly unorthodox sex life. I don't have any time for that sort of consolatory power fantasy: it's deeply witless and utterly pathetic, and I find it depressing how many people are just into BDSM to get bragging rights about that.

OMG, I am going to save this!

Moonhead thank you, for often taking the "other side" on many topics, I don't like to read posts in which everyone seems to be lining up like ducks in a row, with similar mindsets.
If I can't see divergent points of views, I can't get a big enough picture.
First, I would like to say that I KNOW there are many people that are "into BDSM" in a myriad of ways that are very imaginative, there is no doubt.

BUT, I agree with Moonhead about 90% on this one.
I have ALWAYS been put off with people that think they are "better" than vanilla folks because they are into BDSM.
That is one of the reasons I have little interest in participating in many BDSM community events.

Being into BDSM just doesn't make you a member of the "cool kids" in my world.
To me, most people are creative and imaginative, or they are not.
I just can't get into the "I am soooo special because I participate in BDSM activities" mindset.
I see far too many people who seem to get their sense of worth and identity based on this lifestyle.
I will never feel "better" or superior to vanilla folks, based on kink related activities.

Peace

Marini,
The reason I disagree with Moonheads point that no one, including me, said the BDSM folks were more creative than the vanilla folks. Moonhead and Knights of Mist said that. No one else. The rest of us have been saying BDSM allows for a creativity. Not that we are better than vanilla people.

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I have found the world of BDSM to be full of imagination. I feel the mundane is the vanilla lifestyle.

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Marini,
The reason I disagree with Moonheads point that no one, including me, said the BDSM folks were more creative than the vanilla folks. Moonhead and Knights of Mist said that. No one else. The rest of us have been saying BDSM allows for a creativity. Not that we are better than vanilla people.

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Marini,
The reason I disagree with Moonheads point that no one, including me, said the BDSM folks were more creative than the vanilla folks. Moonhead and Knights of Mist said that. No one else. The rest of us have been saying BDSM allows for a creativity. Not that we are better than vanilla people.

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You didn't say this

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I have found the world of BDSM to be full of imagination. I feel the mundane is the vanilla lifestyle.

in your first post, then?

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That is not my conviction nor did not say that. I just love how people try to twist words and take things out of context when they are on the loosing end of an arguement. I never said vanilla people were not creative, those are your words, not mine. There are many creative people in all walks of life. Sir Isaac Asimov, Albert Einstein, JRR Tolkien, Steve Jobs, Shigeru Miyamoto, are just few of the many.

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As a lifestyle I still feel vanilla lifestyle is mundane. It is not the same as saying BDSM people are more creative then vanillia people which I did not say. You said that, not me.

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If the vanilla thing is more mundane than you, precisely how is not less imaginative, then?

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If the vanilla thing is more mundane than you, precisely how is not less imaginative, then?

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That does bring up a good point. I would tend to agree BDSM lifestyle does allow more exposure than the vanilla lifestyle. Though how would you consider the "Swinger" lifestyle? I am not sure if the swinger lifestyle is as big as the BDSM lifestyle? I have no knowledge of that lifestyle other than ever know 1 person who was into swinging. I do know there are several swinger clubs in Cincinnati and the surrounding cities. So it does seem fairly popular.

While not exactly being what most consider 'kink' these days, I doubt many people are thinking of the swinger lifestyle as exactly vanilla, either.  I think it's difficult for someone to get an impression on the creativity factor without seeing for themselves.
So, again, I'd have to say that is limited input.

With BDSM folks, no matter what your kink is, if you are into the community at all, you're going to be exposed to other kinks.  That means you have a greater chance of seeing people do things that you've never seen before.  With all of the various things that people do, it's bound to at least give the impression that it's more creative.

Plus, our props are more fun. 

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If the vanilla thing is more mundane than you, precisely how is not less imaginative, then?

That is rather easy to answer.

First off me finding the vanilla lifestyle mundane an boring is not the same as saying vanilla people are not creative. As I have a said this already let me elaborate further for a clearer explanation.

The vanilla lifestyle versus the BDSM lifestyle is a sexual preference/lifestyle preference. There is a huge difference when talking about a lifestyle versus people in general. Making the assumption that things stated about the lifestyle carry over into all things in life is just a really poor assumption. That is like saying just because a Domme who is a sadist and she really enjoys whipping a male sub to his limit and bringing him to tears that she wants to beat every male she works with and bring them to tears. Many things in the BDSM lifestyle do not carry over into the vanilla portions of our lives. I would hope one would recognize the difference between the lifestyle and life in general.

Secondly because I find the vanilla lifestyle to be mundane and boring does not mean that it is mundane and boring to other people. What it does mean is that I do not find anything in that lifestyle that excites me in that lifestyle. It does not mean people are not creative or imaginative in the vanilla lifestyle and certainly has nothing to do with people being creative and imaginative in life in general.

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Nope. No eltism aimed at those poor mundane vanillas who don't share your tastes at all, there.

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While not exactly being what most consider 'kink' these days, I doubt many people are thinking of the swinger lifestyle as exactly vanilla, either.  I think it's difficult for someone to get an impression on the creativity factor without seeing for themselves.
So, again, I'd have to say that is limited input.

With BDSM folks, no matter what your kink is, if you are into the community at all, you're going to be exposed to other kinks.  That means you have a greater chance of seeing people do things that you've never seen before.  With all of the various things that people do, it's bound to at least give the impression that it's more creative.

Plus, our props are more fun.