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Karmastic -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Karmastic oh my gosh, you're being dense. YES, the fake can just get another profile, but that's not the point you still don't grasp. as i have already said over and over, a dishonest person can create several fake profiles and vote many times against an innocent person's profile. ps edit - now i understand why OP suddenly gets ignored. watch how it works. Uh OP already mentioned several times he has several profiles... My theory is that he gets turned down by somebody, then approaches person with an other profile, same thing happens... oh thanks, i missed that gem. it's beyond me how someone who violates a system (multiple profiles) comes on here bitching about "fakes". i can't tell ya what i think without flagrantly violated TOU. but yeah, entertaining.

amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:38:40 PM)
One plus point about this thread - it's amused me through bloody bad stomach cramps

pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:38:43 PM)
I understand your point but I have repeatedly addressed it. Maybe you are the dense one? OK--let's say a dishonest person creates several fake profiles and, for whatever reason, they decide to post falsehoods about another CM member. So what? There still has to be some sort of EVIDENCE to justify the assertion being made. You still have not provided specific details regarding what YOU think would be the most likely FALSE assertions that would be posted. What do you propose as being the most obvious examples of FALSE assertions that your phony CM member would want to post? Would it be any of the following? AGE HEIGHT WEIGHT SEXUAL PREFERENCES PHOTOS MEETINGS If you tell us that, YES, false assertions would be made concerning a CM member based upon any of the above --- then what credible evidence would be cited? Simply making the comment that Karmastic is lying about his age, or his height, or his weight, or his dick size, or his sexual preferences, or his photos, or meetings he agreed to --- WON'T BE SUFFICIENT. There would have to be some verifiable evidence such as referring to 2 or 3 websites where the same person has materially different profile information or totally different photos. You could also refer to different answers to the same question asked at different times. But what is the bottom-line? Let's assume that NOTHING on the list convinces you of anything....so, you just continue to exchange messages with that person. THEN, if it turns out that you experience the same problem as others have mentioned --- maybe you would want to add your comments to the list? If not -- that's fine too. It is entirely VOLUNTARY quote: ORIGINAL: Karmastic oh my gosh, you're being dense. YES, the fake can just get another profile, but that's not the point you still don't grasp. as i have already said over and over, a dishonest person can create several fake profiles and vote many times against an innocent person's profile. ps edit - now i understand why OP suddenly gets ignored. watch how it works.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:41:16 PM)
ps, it aint gonna happen, there is no way it would work. How many folks gotta say this to you before you stuff your indignation about being wrong into your pants and walk away from the keyboard? Plus, Derek is some kinda pissed that the wonderful words he allowed me to type for him went unnoticed.

Rule -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:42:47 PM)
I suggest that you redirect your obsession with fakes and liars towards stamps collecting; you will find it more rewarding.

pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:46:17 PM)
I don't have "several profiles" on CM. I said I am contacted my many people because of all the profiles I have on other websites. I also mentioned that all my profiles contain the same information so there would be no basis for somebody listing me as dishonest in that respect. Why do you guys have to resort to deliberate falsehoods about me? Can't you make your best case without resorting to that? What the hell is wrong with you? quote: ORIGINAL: Karmastic quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Karmastic oh my gosh, you're being dense. YES, the fake can just get another profile, but that's not the point you still don't grasp. as i have already said over and over, a dishonest person can create several fake profiles and vote many times against an innocent person's profile. ps edit - now i understand why OP suddenly gets ignored. watch how it works. Uh OP already mentioned several times he has several profiles... My theory is that he gets turned down by somebody, then approaches person with an other profile, same thing happens... oh thanks, i missed that gem. it's beyond me how someone who violates a system (multiple profiles) comes on here bitching about "fakes". i can't tell ya what i think without flagrantly violated TOU. but yeah, entertaining.

pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:47:21 PM)
But stamp collecting won't address the problems with fakes and liars who waste our time. Nice try, but no cigar quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I suggest that you redirect your obsession with fakes and liars towards stamps collecting; you will find it more rewarding.

LadyPact -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:47:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pshornyguy But, LadyPact, would such a "pattern" occur repeatedly and result in multiple listings at different times by several different people who present details re: dishonesty??? Look---I can invent all sorts of horror stories to denigrate my idea. But let's try to keep this discussion based upon REAL possibilities not hypothetical extremes which are not likely to occur. Actually, I did. You just refuse to address it in the post that I provided. Here's the post you completely ignored that demonstrated it. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact The prior move (GA to CA) was the same with My location until I actually moved in. During that move, I stopped for three days because it coincided with Thunder in the Mountains. So, I went. I had hoped to meet additional folks in Denver, but didn't get the chance. Had I said I wanted to meet them? Yep. My plans changed when My other half said we could hit the convention. I've owed one regular poster on this site a violet wand scene from four years ago. He was in GA from Ohio and it rained cats and dogs the day I was supposed to go. I'd call that backing out. The car wreck could have been seen that way, too. The person that I was on the way to pick up to attend that munch would have had every right (for a couple of hours, at least) to say that I was a no show. How does your "list" work for stuff like that? quote: It is certainly true that any one person could concoct a totally false assertion. I suppose it is even possible that an alliance of troublemakers here could fabricate a series of lies about somebody they do not like. At least you are finally figuring that out. quote: But the fail-safe mechanism is still something you are not addressing: (1) What is the actual evidence you are using to create the (false) impression of dishonesty by a CM member? What evidence are you using? Here's one. I told you earlier in the thread that I do like watersports. That doesn't mean I'm going to engage in it with every person I meet. So, if I don't do it with Joe Blow, does he get to come back and say that I'm not really into watersports? quote: (a) If you claim he/she is lying about their age --- ok -- where did you find something credible to make that a reasonable conclusion? How is an age listed differently on another site credible evidence? Hey, I haven't been on ALT in years. Want to bet I have a different age on that site? quote: (b) If you claim that his/her pics are phony -- ok -- where did you find something to establish the validity of your assertion? I'm really starting to wonder about your faculties. Why would this site automatically assume one person had that kind of credibility regarding another person they may have never met? quote: (c) If you claim that his/her profile is composed of falsehoods regarding his/her actual preferences --- ok -- where did you find something credible and verifiable to document those falsehoods? See My watersports example above. quote: What I think you guys are still missing is this: RIGHT NOW---under the current system, you employ your brain and your instincts to separate out legitimate CM members from phony ones. Under my proposal -- THAT REMAINS IN PLACE. The only difference is that you have an information source which might serve to validate your initial concerns and instincts! No, what your missing is something the site already tells you as a part of TOS. This site takes no responsibility for you not using your own head in verifying people. I really doubt that's going to change. Edited for bad quotes.

Lockit -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:48:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pshornyguy But stamp collecting won't address the problems with fakes and liars who waste our time. Nice try, but no cigar quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I suggest that you redirect your obsession with fakes and liars towards stamps collecting; you will find it more rewarding. Neither will this thread.. but nice try. No cigar for you!

pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:48:33 PM)
Why don't you stuff your indignation somewhere? Is that YOUR best argument? quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub ps, it aint gonna happen, there is no way it would work. How many folks gotta say this to you before you stuff your indignation about being wrong into your pants and walk away from the keyboard? Plus, Derek is some kinda pissed that the wonderful words he allowed me to type for him went unnoticed.

amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:48:46 PM)
Maybe... just Maybe it is not everyone else on this thread except you that there is "something wrong with"

Karmastic -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:50:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pshornyguy I understand your point but I have repeatedly addressed it. Maybe you are the dense one? OK--let's say a dishonest person creates several fake profiles and, for whatever reason, they decide to post falsehoods about another CM member. So what? There still has to be some sort of EVIDENCE to justify the assertion being made. You still have not provided specific details regarding what YOU think would be the most likely FALSE assertions that would be posted. What do you propose as being the most obvious examples of FALSE assertions that your phony CM member would want to post? Would it be any of the following? AGE HEIGHT WEIGHT SEXUAL PREFERENCES PHOTOS MEETINGS If you tell us that, YES, false assertions would be made concerning a CM member based upon any of the above --- then what credible evidence would be cited? Simply making the comment that Karmastic is lying about his age, or his height, or his weight, or his dick size, or his sexual preferences, or his photos, or meetings he agreed to --- WON'T BE SUFFICIENT. There would have to be some verifiable evidence such as referring to 2 or 3 websites where the same person has materially different profile information or totally different photos. You could also refer to different answers to the same question asked at different times. But what is the bottom-line? Let's assume that NOTHING on the list convinces you of anything....so, you just continue to exchange messages with that person. THEN, if it turns out that you experience the same problem as others have mentioned --- maybe you would want to add your comments to the list? If not -- that's fine too. It is entirely VOLUNTARY quote: ORIGINAL: Karmastic oh my gosh, you're being dense. YES, the fake can just get another profile, but that's not the point you still don't grasp. as i have already said over and over, a dishonest person can create several fake profiles and vote many times against an innocent person's profile. ps edit - now i understand why OP suddenly gets ignored. watch how it works. how in the hell do we verify all that criteria? again, not realistic, and continually addressed, only for you to rehash it. shit, you've even got ME tired, and that says a lot (i'm sure many here can attest to that). quote: pshornyguy Why do you guys have to resort to deliberate falsehoods about me? Can't you make your best case without resorting to that? What the hell is wrong with you? Jane, you ignorant slut! How does MOB RULE feel?

Master2811 -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:50:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I suggest that you redirect your obsession with fakes and liars towards stamps collecting; you will find it more rewarding. What an utter stupid response. I find the ideas of the OP at least worthwile considering.

Rule -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:51:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pshornyguy But stamp collecting won't address the problems with fakes and liars who waste our time. Nice try, but no cigar quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I suggest that you redirect your obsession with fakes and liars towards stamps collecting; you will find it more rewarding. See? You do have a mono-manic obsessive disorder.

odysseyIndeed -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:52:41 PM)
I belong to a web site that once you pick your birthyear out of the drop down and join the site you can't change it. I accidentally landed on 1978 instead of 1968 and did not realize it until several days later. I can't change it and it's not that big a deal to me because it isn't a site where my age would matter anyway. I have shared that site with people in the past to show them specific things I have done and like. If someone asks me about it I explain to them why but in general I don't think about it. What is to prevent a vindictive person who is angry I rejected him to use multiple fake accounts to report me as having lied about my age and give that site as 'proof'? What if I've gone up and down in my weight(by large margins, upwards of 100 pounds) many times and every site i've joined where I entered a weight has a vastly different one because of this? I'm sure I have profiles on sites i joined years ago i never go to much less update. What is to prevent a vindictive person who is angry I rejected him to use multiple fake accounts to report me as having lied about my weight and use those other sites as 'proof' just to get me on t his list ? Believe me it would be used for evil just as well as good and some genuine people would be genuinely disparaged. I don't think there is any way that a system could be set up on a FREE site that would combat this. I also don't know why this is so very important to you. I know it hurts to be lead on. This isn't going to stop it from happening. It truly won't.

Master2811 -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:56:20 PM)
From what I read of this thread is this: OP comes with suggestions to improve this site. NO NO NO, the regulars are very satisfied with a site full of liars, scammers and the like. Like an angry mob in a farmers village they come with their pitchforks trying to scare the OP away. I also read threads about how tolerant we must be. Totally laughable the hypocrisy.

Karmastic -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 4:59:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Master2811 From what I read of this thread is this: OP comes with suggestions to improve this site. NO NO NO, the regulars are very satisfied with a site full of liars, scammers and the like. Like an angry mob in a farmers village they come with their pitchforks trying to scare the OP away. I also read threads about how tolerant we must be. Totally laughable the hypocrisy. well, thanks for recognizing the main flaw in his suggestion i keep pointing out. mob rule isn't a good idea for a rating system either.

LadyLeandra -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 5:00:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pshornyguy I have no problem whatsoever with their rule. I am not proposing a blacklist. I am proposing an information list. A blacklist (by definition) prevents designated people from participating. I propose no such thing. Everything I propose is voluntary. A blacklist (by definition) is mandatory. Nobody is penalized in any way by what I propose. A blacklist (by definition) requires explicit penalities in order to prevent certain designated people from doing what they want. I have stated explicitly, at least 5 times, that there would be no penalities of any kind whatsoever taken against either the fakes and liars or the people who wish to engage them in conversation. In my proposal, everybody is totally free to do whatever they want. How does that become a blacklist?? Can you point me to any blacklist in human history where everyone was totally free to do whatever they want? Lets address this one by one, shall we. First of all you don't seem to know what the words "By Definition" mean... Here is the definition of Blacklist: black·list [blak-list] Show IPA noun 1. a list of persons under suspicion, disfavor, censure, etc.: His record as an anarchist put him on the government's blacklist. 2. a list privately exchanged among employers, containing the names of persons to be barred from employment because of untrustworthiness or for holding opinions considered undesirable. 3. a list drawn up by a labor union, containing the names of employers to be boycotted for unfair labor practices. Please see number One in that list. What you are proposing is a list of persons suspected of lying or being fakes (hence "A list of persons under suspicion". This would put them in DISFAVOR with others on the site and create CENSURE among their peers. So it does fit that definition. Nothing any any of the definitions says anything about the list being mandatory, so theirs your argument. You ask for an example of when a blacklist meant someone was allowed to go about business as usual? Please see definition 3. Labor Unions can blacklist a company all they want, all the company has to do is go about their business and hire new or temporary employees (or scabs as the unions call them). As for mandatory, no, even the "Hollywood Blacklist" was not mandatory. It was generally accepted by the industry, and anyone who didn't accept it was shunned but if they had the means they could still do what they wanted. For that matter, a member of the infamous Hollywood Ten--a blacklisted writed-- was one of the writers on Spartacus! So yeah, still not MANDATORY. Before you start making claims about blacklists and what they are, at least do your bloody research, its not that hard. You say that putting people on this list would not effect them going about business, but it would. People would stop interacting with them based on the list. Hell I could end up on such a list for the age issue. I stupidly joined a site when I was 17...lost my password and access to the email I used. I had lied about my age as kids often do. Well guess what, there is now a profile out there (unless they have finally deleted it) with my old pic--still recognizable--that tells people I am currently 36 years old. I'm 32. I also will sometimes tell people I'll get back to them and then block them. Sometimes its just easier that way. Maybe I'm just lazy, but its usually because they haven't done anything very impressive themselves. Two big reasons for your list that would put me on there--but I am exactly what I claim to be: A 32 year old Domme.

LadyPact -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 5:01:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Master2811 What an utter stupid response. I find the ideas of the OP at least worthwile considering. Coolio! When you own the site, you can consider it.

amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 5:01:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Master2811 From what I read of this thread is this: OP comes with suggestions to improve this site. NO NO NO, the regulars are very satisfied with a site full of liars, scammers and the like. Like an angry mob in a farmers village they come with their pitchforks trying to scare the OP away. I also read threads about how tolerant we must be. Totally laughable the hypocrisy. Exactly why the OP's Idea would not be viable

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