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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:38:37 AM   
poise


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Status: offline 		Here's one reason why it won't work.....

This is a free site. Once lyingcheatingfake realizes he is on the list, he can create a new account.
Can you say vicious cycle? If you are prepared to commit a substantial amount of your time tracking
down leads to verfiy the accusations, then go ahead and make your list. No one here is stopping you.

I have a bigger problem with people that need to rely on a list to determine if someone is genuine.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:41:19 AM   
pshornyguy


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Status: offline 		But Chatte: I do not propose (and in fact I would vehemently object to) any kind of limitation on someone's right to free expression ---- which is why I have repeatedly and explicitly stated (and I guess you don't understand this even now??) that there should be NO penalties whatsoever against anybody listed.

In fact, I explicitly stated that genuine people here could continue to chat with the fakes and liars, and the fakes and liars could do exactly what they do now --without any kind of adverse action taken against them!!!

How can I make it any more clear than that?

I propose absolutely no limitations or restrictions on freedom of speech. NONE. ZERO.

So please -- focus upon what I am actually suggesting -- not the horrors you are inventing in your mind which I agree with you about.



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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Well, the difference between you and I is this: I am not passive. I do not believe in the "grin and bear it" method of problem-solving. I always seek better ways to do things to accomplish some objective.




Uh huh, I'm not passive either. Nor do I allow pixels on a screen to control my blood pressure. This is akin to creating a blog and whining b/c you have to set filters to prevent spammers from destroying it with their spam.

This is a free site that deals with alternative and adult content. There is a reason why there are so many scammers and spammers here, it's b/c CM has taken the stand of allowing all to be here so as not to inadvertently filter out *anyone's* right to free speech.

Do you have any idea how easy it would be to embed every other web site's normal filters? It would cut down on a great deal of what you are complaining about. It would also cut down on millions of people who put the wrong keyword in their profile or forum post.

Frankly, I love CM for taking our freedom of speech so seriously on a free site. And yes, with all freedoms there does come some responsibility.

BTW: Your suggestion for deciding on who's genuine is just laughable. I don't respond to 99% of the messages I get. Since there are people on CM who have met me, I can safely say I am not fake.

Now, I don't expect you to agree with me. You seem to be a person who has to be right. So, well good luck with that.




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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:44:15 AM   
pshornyguy


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Status: offline 		OK, Poise, --that is a valid point and I thank you for making it.

However, I suspect that over time, the fakes and liars would tire of their game and would move on to other sites but even if my proposal only resulted in a 25% reduction in fakes and liars -- it would be worth it!


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ORIGINAL: poise

Here's one reason why it won't work.....

This is a free site. Once lyingcheatingfake realizes he is on the list, he can create a new account.
Can you say vicious cycle? If you are prepared to commit a substantial amount of your time tracking
down leads to verfiy the accusations, then go ahead and make your list. No one here is stopping you.

I have a bigger problem with people that need to rely on a list to determine if someone is genuine.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:44:37 AM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		Uh huh. I got your fake, missy !!

Let's talk about fake princesses (or is that princi?), shall we? You thought you could pull your fake number on me when we met, but *I* know better.

I got a good look at that FAKE tiara you tote around. That shit's not even real diamonds, it's paste. So you're not even a REAL princess.

Imma set up my own fake princess list. Uh huh. Uh huh.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:48:03 AM   
MissKittyDeVine


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Status: offline 		I don´t know whether to laugh or cry.

As Chatte points out, OP is determined to have the last word. So why don´t we let him have his moment of triumph - let´s call it our collective good deed for the day.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:50:39 AM   
catize


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``FastReply~~
My hair is really gray, I dye it red---and I got a hair cut today so it is shorter than my pic on here---so, would I go on the OP's list???

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:51:38 AM   
Killerangel


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Status: offline 		The information list you are proposing is entirely subjective and not able to be proven. Anyone could say what they wanted to on it. That means that what people say about others has a great potential to be untrue. That is called slander and libel amongst other things, and is prosecutable in a court of law.

On your list suggestion, I can see that about 20 people just from this thread alone would write on yours that you are clueless, repetitive, and rather dense. Would you want that information on your 'wall'? Don't you think it turn away potential companions from you? Yes, people would be penalized by what you are proposing. It may give others a false impression of them if someone chooses to read the comments and not all of them are accurate. A penalty doesn't have to be an action, it could be loss of interest from another. Your list idea is NOT voluntary as you keep saying it is, the person is not inviting the comments to be left about them, and has no control over them. Your ideas are massively flawed.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:54:00 AM   
Deliena


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Status: offline 		Keep going this shit is great *bogs off downstairs for more popcorn*

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:56:23 AM   
pshornyguy


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Status: offline 		Lockit---I apologize if I misinterpreted your comment. You had written:
"We just weren't compatible, but neither of us was a fake" --- which I interpreted as you suggesting that somebody incompatible could be wrongly listed on my proposed list as a fake or a liar.

Let's assume, for sake of discussion, that somebody is wrongly listed on my list. How many times would you expect such a mistaken listing to occur?

For example: if ONE person lists "PerfectSoulMate" as a fake or a liar -- but nobody else does --- then why would anybody accept that ONE listing as definitive?

As I have stated, there would have to be a pattern of dishonesty for anybody to be considered legitimately listed as a fake or a liar. One listing would not suffice -- but -- it could be used by someone consulting the list to ask probing questions.


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Lockit: I made an observation based upon the substance of what you wrote. You then replied with an observation.

Your original message suggested that incompatibility could be used to describe someone as a fake. I explictly stated that incompatibility IS NOT a criterion.

So, that means your concern is not relevant to what I am proposing. If you have any objection which is based upon what I am actually proposing -- then let's hear it!

I very much want to hear objections to my suggestion. I have not made up my mind nor do I dismiss disagreements. But as I have pointed out repeatedly, many of the comments here are based upon false predicates.

Surely, you don't expect me to agree with people who are mis-representing what I am proposing do you? If someone misrepresents something you propose, would you just immediately affirm their comment because you would be afraid to be told that your mind was made up and you did not want to hear any disagreements?



I did not... repeat... I did not say anything about incompatibility. I didn't even intend to imply it. However, it doesn't matter what the reasons are. Your system could and would be abused and simply would not work for the reasons I did give. Stop twisting what people say and you might consider trying hard to not be so... what is it... obtuse.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:57:32 AM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

BITA:


Please copy and paste the section of any of my previous messages where I stated or I even hinted that somebody should be listed based upon one 30-minute conversation.


2. Suppose you are enchanted with that person and you exchange messages here on CM for 30 minutes and then you start a conversation on Yahoo messenger
3. THEN, suppose you become suspicious of PerfectSoulMate because of something that seems not quite right



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If you cannot find such a message, will you at least have the decency to admit you have mis-represented my position and my proposal?


Moot. I provided what you asked me to provide. No apology will be forth coming.. especially as I told the truth.

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Then, after you make that gracious admission, would you please tell us why you are so emotionally invested in this discussion that you think it is totally acceptable to lie about what I believe?


Why are you assuming I'm emotionally invested rather than just killing time waiting for Himself to get all pretty for me?

I'll leave it up to the fine folks here to make that judgement for themselves whether or not I lied.

::throws herself on the mercy of the court::

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As I have repeatedly stated, the list would be devoted to listing people who have revealed DISHONESTY in materially important ways.


It's still a blacklist. Even if someone is dishonest, a total fake, flake or liar.. it's still a blacklist. You are calling for a blacklist and you've been CALLED out on calling for a blacklist.. spin away meister. You are entitled to your own opinions.. you are not entitled to your own facts. (I would credit that but I can't remember where I heard it.)

I brought up McCarthy as a point.. if you want to talk, seriously, about the House Un-American Activities commission, by all means.. start that thread. It's a topic I have a keen interest in and would, no doubt, participate.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:57:46 AM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		Dude I did not post that.

If you can't even get this right, how would you be at reporting a fake?

< Message edited by Lockit -- 6/9/2012 11:00:21 AM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:57:52 AM   
Killerangel


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy


Maybe there is one thing I am wrong about here though:

I actually want to find somebody compatible with me who I can both love and trust to be in a long-term relationship. Anything that helps me (or others) facilitate that search is something I would approve. But perhaps others on this site do not have that objective?



Not everyone has your objective, and theirs is no less valuable then yours. Everyone here is free to pursue their heart's desire. You are trying to call others fake because they have another reason for being here, you don't have that right.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:58:37 AM   
stef


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Status: offline 		You're right. We're all wrong. It's a fantastic idea. Set it up.

< Message edited by stef -- 6/9/2012 10:59:11 AM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 10:59:54 AM   
pshornyguy


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Status: offline 		"Clueless, repetitive, dense" would not be legitimate reasons for listing me or anybody else.

You still don't get it. Yet another straw-man argument.

For the 10th time, the list would exist SOLELY to list people who have revealed a pattern of DISHONESTY about themselves.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Killerangel

The information list you are proposing is entirely subjective and not able to be proven. Anyone could say what they wanted to on it. That means that what people say about others has a great potential to be untrue. That is called slander and libel amongst other things, and is prosecutable in a court of law.

On your list suggestion, I can see that about 20 people just from this thread alone would write on yours that you are clueless, repetitive, and rather dense. Would you want that information on your 'wall'? Don't you think it turn away potential companions from you? Yes, people would be penalized by what you are proposing. It may give others a false impression of them if someone chooses to read the comments and not all of them are accurate. A penalty doesn't have to be an action, it could be loss of interest from another. Your list idea is NOT voluntary as you keep saying it is, the person is not inviting the comments to be left about them, and has no control over them. Your ideas are massively flawed.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 11:00:04 AM   
Deliena


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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy
As I have stated, there would have to be a pattern of dishonesty for anybody to be considered legitimately listed as a fake or a liar. One listing would not suffice -- but -- it could be used by someone consulting the list to ask probing questions.

One part of that argument does not necessarily follow from the other. You are saying every one using the list will have enough common sense to realise that people that aren't on the list may not be perfect, someone with only one, or few complaints against them on the list won't be treated badly and none of those things are necessarily the case. You are hoping that is the behaviour pattern people will have. You can't enforce those patterns and such a list could be used to damage someone's reputation without due cause. I don't believe for one moment you've stopped to think about the counter argument. That's a shame, since you are clearly very emotionally invested in yours. However, just because you believe in the flying spaghetti monster doesn't mean I'm going to honey.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 11:02:18 AM   
pshornyguy


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Status: offline 		Nobody is all right or all wrong. The reason we have conversations is to learn from each other. Despite all the sarcasm and all the insults and all the straw-man arguments, I still believe that some kind of system could be created which would facilitate genuine people meeting other genuine people. I'm sorry if that offends you or does not even interest you.

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ORIGINAL: stef

You're right. We're all wrong. It's a fantastic idea. Set it up.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 11:03:33 AM   
angelikaJ


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Status: offline 		You are making this an issue to the wrong group of people

The support link is here:
http://www.collarme.com/personals/support.htm

The support staff are all volunteers; it may take awhile for someone to respond.

I can understand wanting to find a loving relationship and with patience you may find one here.
(I did, but I was here for 18 months before my One found me over three years ago.)

But slowing down your approach and using common sense should help weed out those that you would be incompatible with.
Not investing yourself emotionally before you meet and being a bit wary of the ones that seem to good to be true and all the usually sensible things should make your search less frustrating.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 11:03:49 AM   
Killerangel


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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

"Clueless, repetitive, dense" would not be legitimate reasons for listing me or anybody else.

You still don't get it. Yet another straw-man argument.

For the 10th time, the list would exist SOLELY to list people who have revealed a pattern of DISHONESTY about themselves.



Yes, that would be legitimate reasons to list on your wall, because you are perpetrating dishonesty by presenting yourself to be rational, and obviously by this thread you are not. You are clueless, repetitive, and dense. You are therefore dishonest, and I could certainly list that about you.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 11:05:30 AM   
stef


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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Despite all the sarcasm and all the insults and all the straw-man arguments, I still believe that some kind of system could be created which would facilitate genuine people meeting other genuine people.

Then do it. It's a BRILLIANT idea. Fabulous. It'll probably cure cancer and the common cold as well.

I can't wait!




< Message edited by stef -- 6/9/2012 11:06:14 AM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 11:10:53 AM   
pshornyguy


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Status: offline 		Deliena: I would appreciate it if more people responded in the manner you have done. I appreciate rational and amicable discussion.

However, I did not say what you claim I said. From the beginning, I have said that this would be an informational listing. Many people would never even look at it. That is certainly fine.

Now--the people who do choose to consult the list would probably do so because they are having a conversation (on CM or via emails or via Yahoo IM, etc) and they become suspicious about the sincerity of the person they are chatting with OR, perhaps they notice a major discrepancy in an answer to a question from a previous answer OR perhaps they see another profile created by the person they are chatting with and they notice materially important differences re: their stats or their preferences or their background.

Thus---somebody would probably consult the list when they want to see if other people have had any problems (regarding honesty) with that person. If the answer is yes---then they can proceed accordingly.

There would be no "damage" to somebody's reputation because almost no one uses their real name online or in their screen name and, in any event, nobody gives out very personal intimate details which could be used against them unless they happen to want to be blackmailed or otherwise humiliated/embarrassed -- which, by the way, I have known some people who actually like that!


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ORIGINAL: Deliena


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy
As I have stated, there would have to be a pattern of dishonesty for anybody to be considered legitimately listed as a fake or a liar. One listing would not suffice -- but -- it could be used by someone consulting the list to ask probing questions.

One part of that argument does not necessarily follow from the other. You are saying every one using the list will have enough common sense to realise that people that aren't on the list may not be perfect, someone with only one, or few complaints against them on the list won't be treated badly and none of those things are necessarily the case. You are hoping that is the behaviour pattern people will have. You can't enforce those patterns and such a list could be used to damage someone's reputation without due cause. I don't believe for one moment you've stopped to think about the counter argument. That's a shame, since you are clearly very emotionally invested in yours. However, just because you believe in the flying spaghetti monster doesn't mean I'm going to honey.



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