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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:01:18 PM

MissKittyDeVine

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How did I know that OP would answer back (at length) to Mod21 as well?

OP, maybe, just maybe, people stop communicating with you because they check out your profiles and are put off on finding that you don´t practise safe sex. That makes them smart, not fake.

Now I will wave farewell to this car crash thread.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:02:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Using fast reply.

OK. I read through to about page three and then I got fed up.

Dude, let Me explain why your proposal won't work. People like Me who don't want to talk to every Tom, Dick, and Harry just because they drop Me an email would end up being on your "list" in no time. I tell people to piss off on a fairly regular basis, so it wouldn't take long before some dumb fuck out there added Me to some kind of fakes list.

At the same time, I've met over 200 people from this site. I've talked to even more by phone or know at least one person in common with quite a few. Next weekend, I'll be presenting in front of hundreds of people. But, I'm here to tell you, I absolutely refuse to jump through some kind of damn hoops to prove I am who I say I am.

The day this site decides they want to take the word of some pissed off guy that I didn't want to talk to over My own word, I'm out of here. Put that in your 'genuine people want to meet' pipe and smoke it.

Amen Lady P!

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:09:35 PM

amaidiamond

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Sighs

You were the one that mentioned pics initially

Look

quote:

1. promise to send pics but then never does so
2. promise to contact again (thru email or instant message) but never does so

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:09:36 PM

ChatteParfaitt

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

Am I the only person that assumes everyone on the net is fake until they prove other wise? I'm a cynic so its okay if someone says it is just me.

*by the way* Seeing as I live in the country and commonly give the name of a town near me when people ask where I live....I guess I go on that list of people that are lieing.

*oh,yeah,and* Mod21 for the win

*edit* Because I also sometimes lie and tell people I can spell.

I don't think they are all fake exactly, I do think they have an extremely high potential to be lying to me. Either they are married (or attached), not who they present in their pic, older than they say, not interested in meeting (merely interested in pulling someone's chain).

You and I and many others on here know exactly how to deal with this. We keep convo to a minimum, don't get emotionally involved, and set up a (safe not for sex) meet date quick.

It's amazing how even the good liars don't make it through this easy peasy plan.

Although I consider myself a good judge of character, as do most people, I still hold back after a meet to determine if their actions fit their words. I need some history of that before I even start trusting.

So no, it's not you.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:09:57 PM

pshornyguy

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Sincelo:

Let's reconsider this logically, ok?

1. At 4pm Derek promises to send somebody his pics as soon as he gets home from work (i.e. 6pm)

2. Derek never sends his pics nor any message to say he is no longer interested.

3. What happened in that 2-hour period? Why would Derek even agree to send his pics at 4pm if he was not interested??

Also, consider THE CONTEXT -- which is CRITICAL.

Suppose you had spent 2 hours chatting with Derek and he was effusive in his replies -- i.e. constantly writing things that made you feel he really was interested in you and he wanted to get to know you better and probably even visit you sometime in the near future.

WHY would all that energy and enthusiasm just evaporate instantly---IF Derek was being honest?

THEN, what if you discover that this behavior by Derek is commonplace? He sends very enthusiastic messages, he promises to send his pics, but he never does.

Wouldn't you want to know that is his PATTERN of behavior so you don't waste your time on him --- unless, of course, you are bored and just looking for "let's pretend" messages!

quote:

ORIGINAL: sincelo

quote:

I would suggest the following criteria for adding people to the list of fakes and liars:

1. promise to send pics but then never does so
2. promise to contact again (thru email or instant message) but never does so
3. dishonest or highly suspect profile details (such as phony age, weight, height, or other attributes OR discovering profiles on other websites that present materially different details about same person)
4. dishonest responses to questions or comments (such as giving different answers at different times)

This is what you initially said were your criteria for "Information-listing" them.
People here do not owe you even if they are submissive. If Derek says he will send a pic and then decides not to because he figures out you aren't a good match, who are you to say he is fake.
Same with 2
People lie about their weight, height etc in real life too ... do you put picture of them on a scale to prove your point?
Say you ask derek and bob the same question but you confuse the two answers.

I am telling you now.... get over yourself! If your spidey sense tingle that someone is a fake and liar .... move on!!

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:13:06 PM

amaidiamond

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quote:

1. At 4pm Derek promises to send somebody his pics as soon as he gets home from work (i.e. 6pm)

2. Derek never sends his pics nor any message to say he is no longer interested.

3. What happened in that 2-hour period? Why would Derek even agree to send his pics at 4pm if he was not interested?

?

Hmmm maybe he went for a drink with his mates from work ... or went shopping... or... or..or

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:14:18 PM

pshornyguy

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Actually, MissKitty, I have the opposite experience. The people who contact me are almost always people who don't practice safe sex. Many of them are into taboo sex or have other reasons---but it certainly is not what you suggest because my conversations START with questions about safe sex -- so nobody could possibly have just overlooked that part of my profile. But thanks for your input--even if fictional.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissKittyDeVine

How did I know that OP would answer back (at length) to Mod21 as well?

OP, maybe, just maybe, people stop communicating with you because they check out your profiles and are put off on finding that you don´t practise safe sex. That makes them smart, not fake.

Now I will wave farewell to this car crash thread.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:15:22 PM

pshornyguy

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Yes--but what is your explanation when days and weeks pass with no further contact?

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

quote:

1. At 4pm Derek promises to send somebody his pics as soon as he gets home from work (i.e. 6pm)

2. Derek never sends his pics nor any message to say he is no longer interested.

3. What happened in that 2-hour period? Why would Derek even agree to send his pics at 4pm if he was not interested?
?

Hmmm maybe he went for a drink with his mates from work ... or went shopping... or... or..or

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:16:18 PM

DrkOne

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oh I'm sure I'm on several lists *chuckles .. Not that I really give a shit

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:17:48 PM

Lockit

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The op said he gets hundreds of emails... when he has HIV. I think that is a lie. My reason for this is, I knew someone here with HIV and hardly anyone would email him, much less talk to him. So with the system he would like to impose, I would believe he lied and therefore would be able to list him. If five other people agreed that he had to be lying. On the list he goes with a pattern. My truth, his truth, other people's truth... it all can be situational.

Another reason.. besides lying would be fake according to the title of this thread. I think anyone that claims to be dominant that would risk their submissive/slave, is playing at being a dominant and wouldn't be considered to be dominant in my opinion. Therefore, I could believe... remember my truth, his truth, others truth and there he goes on the list again and others might agree, which creates a pattern.

So... there we have it. You made the list with a pattern. Then people could look up his posts. We just might be establishing other patterns in his own words.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:17:59 PM

MissImmortalPain

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Okay, fake was a bad word to use but I was trying to stay in tune with the op. Even I think it would have been a little insulting of me to have said I assume that people on the net are no more than empty words and pixels on a screen, seeking out nothing more than their own entertainment,until they give me a damn good reason to think otherwise. I was trying to be nice, not really me but I don't like gold mail anymore than anyone else does

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:18:15 PM

amaidiamond

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Yes--but what is your explanation when days and weeks pass with no further contact?

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

quote:

1. At 4pm Derek promises to send somebody his pics as soon as he gets home from work (i.e. 6pm)

2. Derek never sends his pics nor any message to say he is no longer interested.

3. What happened in that 2-hour period? Why would Derek even agree to send his pics at 4pm if he was not interested?
?

Hmmm maybe he went for a drink with his mates from work ... or went shopping... or... or..or

He isn't interested anymore
He has met someone else
He's just not that into you

Any number of reasons.... stopping talking to you does not make him fake

From a female perspective SO MANY guys get abusive if you tell them you are not interested, so often if we get a few messages in and theres no interest on my end I will let it tail off rather than get a load of post rejection butt hurt in my inbox

Seriously if they stop talking, they are not into you - move on to the next

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:21:01 PM

pshornyguy

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Yes, you are right....and I mentioned that because it is one of the most common indicators of potential dishonesty -- i.e. making a promise of some sort and not following-up --- not just about photos but other things as well.

The key point which you may be missing is still this: making a promise to do something (whether photos or anything else) --- and then not doing it.

I have had messages from someone who told me he could not take a full-frontal nude because he did not have a mirror large enough to accomplish that. And that was totally OK! But he did not promise to do something and then NOT do it!

In this day and age everyone already has numerous pics saved on their laptop or PC or they have cell phones with cameras. A few days ago I was chatting with someone who told me to wait a minute and he would take a new pic using his cell phone and, sure enough, two minutes later it was in my inbox!

So, again, let's be clear: PATTERNS of dishonesty are what I am referring to.

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

Sighs

You were the one that mentioned pics initially

Look

quote:

1. promise to send pics but then never does so
2. promise to contact again (thru email or instant message) but never does so

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:21:53 PM

ReMakeYou

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Way too lazy to dig through nine pages, in case this has been brought up before.

But if I actually were a fake who wanted to mess with people online, what investment do I have in a given ID? Once it develops a bad rep, I just steal someone else's pics and spin off a new one for fresh new trolling opportunities.

So not only are fake lists prone to abuse and overreaction, they have zero impact on the people they're supposed to stop.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:25:13 PM

pshornyguy

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He "met someone else" within 2 hours and he also decided that ALL of his effusive comments from just 60-120 minutes previously were false?

I think you are stretching for an explanation which does not make much sense.

I might express initial interest in someone but I certainly don't make commitments to do certain things unless I am genuinely interested in them. And I certainly do not use extravagant language to describe my feelings for someone after 2-3 hours of chatting if I am not genuinely interested!

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Yes--but what is your explanation when days and weeks pass with no further contact?

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

quote:

1. At 4pm Derek promises to send somebody his pics as soon as he gets home from work (i.e. 6pm)

2. Derek never sends his pics nor any message to say he is no longer interested.

3. What happened in that 2-hour period? Why would Derek even agree to send his pics at 4pm if he was not interested?
?

Hmmm maybe he went for a drink with his mates from work ... or went shopping... or... or..or

He isn't interested anymore
He has met someone else
He's just not that into you

Any number of reasons.... stopping talking to you does not make him fake

From a female perspective SO MANY guys get abusive if you tell them you are not interested, so often if we get a few messages in and theres no interest on my end I will let it tail off rather than get a load of post rejection butt hurt in my inbox

Seriously if they stop talking, they are not into you - move on to the next

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:27:50 PM

amaidiamond

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(modedit for excessive quoting)

Meeting another was my reason for why it may go days/weeks with no contact...

Like I said for not replying in a few hours i would think the other party was busy

< Message edited by ModTwentyOne -- 6/9/2012 12:39:59 PM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:28:30 PM

pshornyguy

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You are partially correct. Yes, the most dishonest types will just create new profiles and, as you suggest, they may even rip off other people's photos.

So I cannot offer you a "perfect" solution. But the perfect is often the enemy of the good.

There would be no "abuse" or "overreaction" likely in what I propose because as I have said before, one listing would mean nothing whatsoever.

And the whole point of my proposal is NOT the "impact" on the fakes and liars. It is to give pertinent information to the GENUINE people here!

quote:

ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou

Way too lazy to dig through nine pages, in case this has been brought up before.

But if I actually were a fake who wanted to mess with people online, what investment do I have in a given ID? Once it develops a bad rep, I just steal someone else's pics and spin off a new one for fresh new trolling opportunities.

So not only are fake lists prone to abuse and overreaction, they have zero impact on the people they're supposed to stop.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:30:06 PM

amaidiamond

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Well regardless - it is not happening so really it is a moot point

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:30:22 PM

pshornyguy

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Yes--I agree with your comment. But, having no further contact whatsoever -- and if that was a pattern with multiple people -- especially over a relatively short period of time -- would be useful info to have---right?

(modedit for excessive quoting - see the sticky in the test forum down below for instructions on trimming quotes)

< Message edited by ModTwentyOne -- 6/9/2012 12:37:42 PM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 12:33:08 PM

DrkJourney

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Sincelo:

Let's reconsider this logically, ok?

1. At 4pm Derek promises to send somebody his pics as soon as he gets home from work (i.e. 6pm)

2. Derek never sends his pics nor any message to say he is no longer interested.

3. What happened in that 2-hour period? Why would Derek even agree to send his pics at 4pm if he was not interested??

Also, consider THE CONTEXT -- which is CRITICAL.

(modedit for excessive quotes)

Maybe he got distracted or carried away by other emails that were more interesting to him and he simply forgot about you. If you don't try to rush into anything with the first person that sweet talks you, you will be ok. Get to know a person before you commit especially emotionally and you should be ok and you won't need some list.

All boils down to if he's a pro liar like you say, all he has to do is change is nik....a list will not stop him

< Message edited by ModTwentyOne -- 6/9/2012 12:42:42 PM >

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