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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 12:29:33 PM   
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no worries, i'm not calling you on anything. i happen to agree, and just expanding on your thoughts with my own twist. i.e., 'white' is losing meaning as a distinction, and 'black' is as well. i'm all for this, and already knew i would be with women from "the other camp" (foreigners) when i was around 10 years old. i thought that if enough people did this, there would be less wars.

i agree that racism paints a broad stroke over various sub-groups of 'blacks', and doesn't care where they're from.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 1:33:45 PM   
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When I was still in the dating pool, I used to be called racist all the time because I would not date men who were not white and Christian. Men who were not of those would message me and when I'd say I wasn't interested and they'd push to know why and I would tell them they would get really pissed off and start with the racist card.

But for me it wasn't racist, it just meant I was not attracted to those types of people. I'm attracted to my own type. It just is how it is. I have friends of all different ethnicities, hell, my sister-in-law and nieces and nephews are part African American. It doesn't bother me in the least. It's just not what I'm attracted to unlike my brother.

Now if there wasn't a way to select on dating sites what you are looking for, whicih many sites do have for ethnicities, I probably would have had no problems with a whites only dating site since it would give me a better selection of my own kind. But most dating sites do have a way to choose what you want so it was never a problem for me other than those I didn't want messaging me and getting angry when I didn't select them.



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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 2:02:28 PM   
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what she didn't cover was that is not only racism is alive and well, but so is reverse racism. we as a society, through our government, and through the Supreme Court, have said that some reverse racism is okay to make up for past discrimination. i won't quibble with this.


There is nothing positive about discrimination, it's utter hypocrisy and therefore you should quibble with it and those that spout it as a solution to modern problems.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 2:24:12 PM   
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no worries, i'm not calling you on anything. i happen to agree, and just expanding on your thoughts with my own twist. i.e., 'white' is losing meaning as a distinction, and 'black' is as well. i'm all for this, and already knew i would be with women from "the other camp" (foreigners) when i was around 10 years old. i thought that if enough people did this, there would be less wars.

i agree that racism paints a broad stroke over various sub-groups of 'blacks', and doesn't care where they're from.


I actually do believe this, too. After all, after a certain point, intermarriage should remove the "us" and "them" distinction as we all become "us".

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 2:29:16 PM   
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When I was still in the dating pool, I used to be called racist all the time because I would not date men who were not white and Christian. Men who were not of those would message me and when I'd say I wasn't interested and they'd push to know why and I would tell them they would get really pissed off and start with the racist card.

But for me it wasn't racist, it just meant I was not attracted to those types of people. I'm attracted to my own type. It just is how it is. I have friends of all different ethnicities, hell, my sister-in-law and nieces and nephews are part African American. It doesn't bother me in the least. It's just not what I'm attracted to unlike my brother.

Now if there wasn't a way to select on dating sites what you are looking for, whicih many sites do have for ethnicities, I probably would have had no problems with a whites only dating site since it would give me a better selection of my own kind. But most dating sites do have a way to choose what you want so it was never a problem for me other than those I didn't want messaging me and getting angry when I didn't select them.




I think it is quite wrong to call someone racist for simply wanting to date and marry within their own group. I do think you raise an interesting point about how others react. That is quite rude of people do get angry at you on a dating site for this. Again, everyone is entitled to their personal preferences. Some who likes blonde/blue is never going to be attracted to me. This shouldn't be a source of upset or anger or any such thing. But I could see that having a dating site restricted to what you were looking for would avoid some of that bad reaction from people.

Of course, I get my share of hate mail from men who don't like that I have a preference for tall men, too. Again, people will always complain about being rejected - whatever the criteria is. But at the end of the day, I agree with you that attraction is all about personal preferences, and those have to be respected, whether one sticks with one's group, or goes outside of it. Again, live and let live is probably the best approach.


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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 2:30:03 PM   
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No, people have been finding differences to isolate themselves from one another for years.

Europeans have fought wars over nose shapes long before they ever had to worry about other differences. If it isn't about what they look like then it'll be about what they believe or what language they use.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 2:48:38 PM   
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what she didn't cover was that is not only racism is alive and well, but so is reverse racism. we as a society, through our government, and through the Supreme Court, have said that some reverse racism is okay to make up for past discrimination. i won't quibble with this.


There is nothing positive about discrimination, it's utter hypocrisy and therefore you should quibble with it and those that spout it as a solution to modern problems.

sorry, i meant i won't quibble with it here, on this thread.

i am against quotas and such on many levels, as well as discrimination (or reverse discrimination).

now you made me a liar :)

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:00:22 PM   
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what you said resonated with me, and i wanted to know your physical description as opposed to blonde/blue, and i see that you're (East) Indian. you're right, i agree, having a sexual preference (or marriage preference) isn't racist.

you being Indian and this subject just reminded me of an East Indian girlfriend (well really sort of a last fling) I had, who lamented that she loved how beautiful and cute white babies were, and that was one reason she preferred to be with me, rather than to follow her family and cultural desire to marry traditional Indian. The context was that we were discussing a potential marriage interviewee/candidate approved by her parents, but she said he was too dark.

in that case, she was racist, and really, self-hating, because she was quite dark herself. i think she wanted me to convince her how stupid that thinking was, and later, she admitted, she did realize how stupid it was. as it turns out, she married the guy, and has a beautiful young daughter (who's also rather dark). she certainly loves that kid with all her heart, and i think, is learning to love the man too.


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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:01:38 PM   
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I look at it this way...If a black only site is acceptable and a white only is not then I ask myself..."Does this bother me"...and to myself I say..." no and I don't really care"...and I just leave it be.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:09:41 PM   
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When I was still in the dating pool, I used to be called racist all the time because I would not date men who were not white and Christian. Men who were not of those would message me and when I'd say I wasn't interested and they'd push to know why and I would tell them they would get really pissed off and start with the racist card.


I think you may have just hit me with a clue by four on why the blacks only site bugs me.

I would say that 80% of the interests I have shown in me, here and on other sites, is from black men. I have become sick and tired of politely declining, in order to avoid the race card being called on me. I would imagine that something similar is what caused someone to start the blackpeoplemeet site.

I think I shall now go put my preference on my profiles. I may still get the same amount of offers, but at least then, I can know they didn't read my profile, and not feel bad about not replying or not being kind.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:12:51 PM   
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OP, this is a good question. One that I ask My hubs all the time. He is a black man, and he says things like "what's wrong with us having things, yall have fox news" Now of course I know he is just poking fun, but it is something I think about, and wonder about. I think however there shouldn't be a black or white anything. It should just be what it is. For instance, no Miss Black America, just Miss America. There will always be some dumbasses who are racist, but eventually they will die off.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:14:31 PM   
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OP, this is a good question. One that I ask My hubs all the time. He is a black man, and he says things like "what's wrong with us having things, yall have fox news" Now of course I know he is just poking fun, but it is something I think about, and wonder about. I think however there shouldn't be a black or white anything. It should just be what it is. For instance, no Miss Black America, just Miss America. There will always be some dumbasses who are racist, but eventually they will die off.

Tell him I am highly offended by the bolded.

And, I am also laughing my self silly.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:15:03 PM   
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what you said resonated with me, and i wanted to know your physical description as opposed to blonde/blue, and i see that you're (East) Indian. you're right, i agree, having a sexual preference (or marriage preference) isn't racist.

you being Indian and this subject just reminded me of an East Indian girlfriend (well really sort of a last fling) I had, who lamented that she loved how beautiful and cute white babies were, and that was one reason she preferred to be with me, rather than to follow her family and cultural desire to marry traditional Indian. The context was that we were discussing a potential marriage interviewee/candidate approved by her parents, but she said he was too dark.

in that case, she was racist, and really, self-hating, because she was quite dark herself. i think she wanted me to convince her how stupid that thinking was, and later, she admitted, she did realize how stupid it was. as it turns out, she married the guy, and has a beautiful young daughter (who's also rather dark). she certainly loves that kid with all her heart, and i think, is learning to love the man too.



Ah, you raise another issue entirely.

This is one thing I do NOT like. People who date outside their group due to self-hatred. This is just so wrong on so many levels that I don't know where to begin.

Again, this construct of "racism" can have many forms. And one is our own attitude to ourselves.

Another thing to mention here is that Indians similar to Africans, have a color bias within their own groups (with lighter skinned people being favored). This is actually also related to the caste system which we discussed in another thread. It is not something that Indians or blacks are all that open about with other groups, but this internal "racism" or "colorism" is there.

I am very proud of my cultural background and my religious background (although I am not religious myself). I have dated across the spectrum, simply because I view the human species as one species, and don't feel the need to think about people in terms of what I consider to be artificial categories. I am attracted to people who I, personally, find attractive - and, for me, attractive can come in many different ethnic/racial/religious packages.

From a genetic perspective, we become stronger as a species the more "intermarriage" that occurs. In other words, too much "in-breeding" within a "group" is actually detrimental to the gene pool in the long run. So I actually do think that we are deep down, wired for a little bit of "opposite attracts". By that I don't mean Africans will be attracted to Norwegians and vice versa, but that even within a group, that sometimes people seek out a partner who is a little "different" from them somehow. For example think 1950s blonde woman and tall, dark, handsome man as an archetype of a certain era for what constituted an "attractive" couple. Anyway, this is all off the top of my end. No substantiation for any of it. But I do find the topic of interest.




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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:32:04 PM   
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When I was still in the dating pool, I used to be called racist all the time because I would not date men who were not white and Christian. Men who were not of those would message me and when I'd say I wasn't interested and they'd push to know why and I would tell them they would get really pissed off and start with the racist card.


I think you may have just hit me with a clue by four on why the blacks only site bugs me.

I would say that 80% of the interests I have shown in me, here and on other sites, is from black men. I have become sick and tired of politely declining, in order to avoid the race card being called on me. I would imagine that something similar is what caused someone to start the blackpeoplemeet site.

I think I shall now go put my preference on my profiles. I may still get the same amount of offers, but at least then, I can know they didn't read my profile, and not feel bad about not replying or not being kind.


Yes, I would make your preferences explicit in your profile. And quite honestly, I would just ignore mail from anyone who does fit your criteria. It is much easier than trying to craft an answer to someone who you have explicitly said in your profile that you don't want. Why bother? Their inability to read your profile should not cost you the time of having to craft any kind of answer. Just delete and move on.

At the end of the day, whether it is religion, ethnicity, race, height, weight, hair/eye color whatever.....we are each entitled to our own set of preferences for dating/marriage. I can't see how it can possibly be any other way. And criticizing anyone for whatever physical preference they have is simply rude.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:32:05 PM   
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Ah, you raise another issue entirely.

This is one thing I do NOT like. People who date outside their group due to self-hatred. This is just so wrong on so many levels that I don't know where to begin.

i'm pretty sure, or at least, i hope, she wasn't dating me because of self-hatred. i know in my heart (and she told me as well) that she wanted to break away from the family/interview/marriage system (that i'm sure you're familiar with).

i happened to be very (romantically) interested in her right when she was yearning for someone to help her break away from that. it was less self-hatred, and more her wanting to be with a more westernized guy. and/or at least, to have one last wild and romantic ride, before sublimating her own desires and falling in line with the order of things.

but yes, her "colorism" was wrong, and i think it being so easy to convince her means she knew it and felt it already. but again, that's because in her heart and mind, she was already 'westernized'.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 3:47:10 PM   
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All pussy is pink on the inside. That's about as racists as I get. My dick is colorblind you see...

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 4:27:00 PM   
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I think I shall now go put my preference on my profiles. I may still get the same amount of offers, but at least then, I can know they didn't read my profile, and not feel bad about not replying or not being kind.


Oh, another thought. You might want to contact whoever deals with this at CM and see if they can add race as a filter for mail. That way, email from races that you are not interested in can go directly into your Bulk folder - you won't even see them come in unless you actively choose to open your Bulk folder. That way you don't even have to see them come into your inbox.

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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 5:23:53 PM   
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What kind of outcry would there be if there was a "whites only" lunch counter? Anything? Nothing? Is there simply an outcry now, only because of the CRA?


This was in a post in the P&R section, and it got me to thinking about something that has bothered me for a while now.

lately, I have been seeing commercials for "BlackPeopleMeet.com all the time. Yay for them having a place to meet and find love, but........if there was a site called WhitePeopleMeet.com, for white folks to meet other white folks, it is my opinion that all hell would break loose, with folks screaming racism.

So, is racism getting weaker at all?

Is it only hidden better now that before?

Is it ok for one race to wish to stay among their own, but not another?

Has the law changed this, or is it just the fact that the more we live together, the more we realize how much more alike we are, rather than our differences?

Personally, I have seen relatives of mine change because of grandkids and great grandkids being born of mixed race. Suddenly, black folks aint as scarey when you have that baby looking up at you and smiling, loving everything you do.

So, I know this post goes all over the place, but I would like thoughts on any or all of the above. I hope I won't get called names, and I hope this can remain civil, but if not, so be it.




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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 5:26:24 PM   
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Ah yes, the "find gawds match for you" ones make me wanna puke.


Christian Mingle keeps spamming me. I'm part Jewish, married and kinky. I'm tempted to join just to let them know that I find the 5 emails a day to be annoying.


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RE: racism - 6/11/2012 5:43:24 PM   
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there is a whitepeoplemeet.com site, only it is called eharmony(or any other popular dating site)

blackpeoplemeet is not racist.there is also asian only websites & jewish only dating websites.nothing wrong with that.most people only want to date their own race(not me,though),that is their choice & beter for those people to be on that website than complaining on another, dont you think?



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