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RE: racism - 6/12/2012 5:23:27 PM   
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there is a whitepeoplemeet.com site, only it is called eharmony(or any other popular dating site)

blackpeoplemeet is not racist.there is also asian only websites & jewish only dating websites.nothing wrong with that.most people only want to date their own race(not me,though),that is their choice & beter for those people to be on that website than complaining on another, dont you think?




Ya know what....that's just fucked up racist shit stated by a black person. (Ergo, it's not racist).

eharmony is a white persons site.....gimme a fucking break.

Gawwwwd I could go on for days but that's just racist fucked up shit.


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RE: racism - 6/12/2012 5:25:31 PM   
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RE: racism - 6/12/2012 7:08:09 PM   
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I used to be quite racist myself, but in recent years have come to value Americans' unusual culture, intelligence and natural sense of rhythm.

I hope that helps.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 3:18:24 AM   
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My mom has never said anything openly racist, but sometimes she says lil remarks that make me wonder.


Same here and this is the same woman who taught me to see people as people. I've never heard her say nigger but she has said black bitch/ black bastard when speaking of people doing so stupid shit at wal-mart then acting innocent when they get caught and playing the race card and she blames obama for everything wrong in america as if he didn't inherit a giant shit storm from bush.

To be fair though I like to play the race card too just to fuck with people "I don't have to take this, I'm white!" *walks away*

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 4:30:42 AM   
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My mom has never said anything openly racist, but sometimes she says lil remarks that make me wonder.


Same here and this is the same woman who taught me to see people as people. I've never heard her say nigger but she has said black bitch/ black bastard when speaking of people doing so stupid shit at wal-mart then acting innocent when they get caught and playing the race card and she blames obama for everything wrong in america as if he didn't inherit a giant shit storm from bush.

To be fair though I like to play the race card too just to fuck with people "I don't have to take this, I'm white!" *walks away*


I may be wrong, but when I hear folks say something like that, in regard to someone they do not like, I don't think of it as racist.

If it was me who got caught and acted dumb, she might say "This stupid fat bitch". Or, someone else might be the dumbass blonde bitch, or short motherfucker, or dirty ass white chick, asian idiot, twiggy ass cunt, etc.

I think many folks, who are not racist, just use the first physical characteristic they can think of when bitching about someone that bugs them.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 6:25:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really have no problem with the dating sites for ethnic backgrounds, I have friends that are Jewish and while they date outside their group, when it comes to marriage and raising kids, they prefer to marry other Jewish people, I wouldn't see it as racist but possibly preserving some ethnic roots or identity in a world where everything is becoming more uniform and globalized, their choice. If it's alright for them, why wouldn't it be alright for other minorities? I can also understand why an Asian or a black person would be more attracted to somebody who's simply more familiar to them in terms of looks and maybe family background and structures. People tend to be more comfortable if their SO is from a similar background, with similar expectations in life. Makes perfect sense.
Pretty often you notice that there are massive differences even if what looks like a similar background at first glimpse, take European Italian and American Italian, you'd expect it to be pretty similar, right? It's a hell of a difference and almost a different culture. I first thought it was only my perception due to the fact that my mom's family is from Northern Italy, but even Americans who have lived in Italy will say so, or Italians visiting the US and living there for an extended amount of time. Or take Hispanic people and people from Spain, almost like different worlds colliding.
An odd thing I found in the US is that a lot of black people tend to keep themselves apart, even with language, in Europe they'll speak pretty much the same regional accent as everybody else, the higher the education the less of an accent but that goes through all the different hues of skin, in the US a lot of them (not all) seem to have their own slang. I always found that quite puzzling.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 6:48:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree about the culture thing. A lot of people make a big deal about students sitting in bunches divided by "race", but it's culture, not race.

I consider any of the general dating sites (match.com, etc.) to be predominantly white - just go look at the offerings! When you've got blacks, Jews, disabled folks, etc being a small portion of the population, you're going to see "specialist" web sites.

I know that yahoo.com and alt.com (with all it's related sites) allowed/allow you to search with race criteria. Not sure about plentyoffish, etc.

BTW, I hate eharmony. The section that the user writes (like our profiles) can completely contradict what the tests spit out. And just when your subscription is due to run out, a bunch of matches will show up in your inbox.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 7:25:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't ever used any of the dating sites apart from research and that was years ago, I had a friend who swore that it's the best thing ever, but oddly enough he ended up marrying his 1st ex wife again. It might make sense for people who want to be in a relationship and want to find somebody soon, especially if they want to have kids, but it just seems a bit odd, almost like a meat market, but that just might be my perception, I always preferred meeting people just as people and not as "potential mates", the guy I'm with for about 10 years now, met him on the internet on a geek site, arguing about different computer stuff and he thought for ages I was a guy, because when you discuss stuff like assembler, gender doesn't really matter. If I have to venture a guess, he didn't seem to mind terribly that I wasn't a guy when we finally met, he said it all made sense to him then that I wasn't drunk on weekends or eager to discuss female body parts or complaining how difficult it is talking to girls...

Unless you're desperate to be paired up, I'd give dating sites a miss and just be on sites that really interest you, unless your only interest is porn, you're bound to meet somebody you really get along with and want to meet, or you just do sports, hang out with friends and all that, much easier and far more relaxed. The expectation of being a potential mate or that the person I am talking to has to be viewed as a potential mate would be a bit of a buzzkill for me. I mean on a dating site, I might have passed H over and he said in a pub or a bar he wouldn't have ever approached me, because we weren't looking to be coupled up and had pretty good conversations, all that stuff didn't matter anymore. In that respect I do like the whole internet thing, because it's colour blind and you don't fall into the trappings of skin or hair colour. You do or you don't like somebody and what they say, makes a lot more sense than race and culture. If the culture is incompatible, it will surface fairly early in the conversation.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 4:20:18 PM   
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So, is racism getting weaker at all?


I think real measurable racism has abated quite a bit over time. I think racism would be much less of a problem in today's society if the minorities would let go of it. Now that it no longer entails German shepherds, fire hoses and separate lunch counters it is actually a useful tool to them and they cling to it. It's become more of a crutch than a real social ill these days. Every Don Quixote needs a windmill.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 6:15:02 PM   
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So, is racism getting weaker at all?


I think real measurable racism has abated quite a bit over time. I think racism would be much less of a problem in today's society if the minorities would let go of it. Now that it no longer entails German shepherds, fire hoses and separate lunch counters it is actually a useful tool to them and they cling to it. It's become more of a crutch than a real social ill these days. Every Don Quixote needs a windmill.


I actually didn't read your post, nor frankly did I give a shit....I just noticed you have extraordinarily nice tata's...and to be fair....that's the only thing that matters to me at this particular moment.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 9:34:36 PM   
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So, is racism getting weaker at all?


I think real measurable racism has abated quite a bit over time. I think racism would be much less of a problem in today's society if the minorities would let go of it. Now that it no longer entails German shepherds, fire hoses and separate lunch counters it is actually a useful tool to them and they cling to it. It's become more of a crutch than a real social ill these days. Every Don Quixote needs a windmill.


wow,..... those grrrls know how the distract a guy..... Ahem.... now where was I?.... oh yea....

tell u what..... when u & Don Quixote check out the windmill in some of the small towns in the deep south that still have little signs at the city line that reads: "nigger dont let the sun set on you here" and u talk to some of the residents and find they still mean it,...... When that totally goes away I'll let u know when Wwe can all stop worrying about racism.



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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 9:55:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember in the 80s, having gone to a public school that was 80+% african-american, that I had friends that would say, you're the coolest white guy I know. In the 90s, it changed to, "you're the coolest guy I know." So I think much of the distinction between races has subsided in many respects. There will always be people who cling to familiarity, have personal preferences regarding attraction, or those that generally feel empowered by hate, but as a whole I believe it's far less today than it has been in the past.

But discrimination or personal bias is human nature. It doesn't necessarily deal with race, people have sexual preferences, some women won't date a balding man, or a man under 6' tall, some men only want a barbie doll...these are all biases, and can be construed as discrimination, but really it's just a matter of choice, unless the person internally feels that anyone that doesn't meet that particular person is less deserving of common courtesy and respect.

I agree with other statements that suggest it's a crutch in many cases. And I think it boils down to a single common denominator that causes most problems in our world, self esteem. If you feel secure in who you are, then you don't have to worry with tearing other people down in order to build yourself up. Hate crime and using the discrimination card are two sides of the same coin, one overtly aggressive, the other passively so. The same holds true for religious faith, if you are secure in your faith, you don't have to condemn people simply because you don't need to prove your deity is superior to anyone else's.


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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 10:12:38 PM   
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btw i am on eharmony, so i think i would know the majority of (white)men who email me

not racist at all.just the truth


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there is a whitepeoplemeet.com site, only it is called eharmony(or any other popular dating site)

blackpeoplemeet is not racist.there is also asian only websites & jewish only dating websites.nothing wrong with that.most people only want to date their own race(not me,though),that is their choice & beter for those people to be on that website than complaining on another, dont you think?




Ya know what....that's just fucked up racist shit stated by a black person. (Ergo, it's not racist).

eharmony is a white persons site.....gimme a fucking break.

Gawwwwd I could go on for days but that's just racist fucked up shit.





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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 10:15:26 PM   
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i think that is a typical response for a white person.



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So, is racism getting weaker at all?


I think real measurable racism has abated quite a bit over time. I think racism would be much less of a problem in today's society if the minorities would let go of it. Now that it no longer entails German shepherds, fire hoses and separate lunch counters it is actually a useful tool to them and they cling to it. It's become more of a crutch than a real social ill these days. Every Don Quixote needs a windmill.



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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 10:27:38 PM   
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i think that is a typical response for a white person.

Personally, I think it's an infallible sign of racism when anybody starts to talk about "white people."

Get a fucking clue. We don't all look or think -- or anything else -- alike.

We're kinda like "black people" that way, yanno?

K.

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RE: racism - 6/13/2012 10:44:33 PM   
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We live in a world unfortunately where some people cannot accept other people as they are and the world as it is and they will always hold others accountable just for being different. They go through life with a concept of 'normal' based on what they feel the world should be.

Culture influences society and social thinking, and there is such a thing as a social hierarchy where people are divided into free and privileged and not so free and marginalized.

This is because we discriminate, and to me discrimination is an integral part of the social process.

But there is discrimination, which is acceptable, and prejudice, which to me isn't acceptable. But other people feel that it's okay to hold prejudices against other people for the way they are, the way they live, and what they believe and think.

It isn't acceptable because we all also discount and compensate in our thinking.

The other thing is if you are white you are a minority in this world. The vast majority of human beings living on this planet can be described as black. However if you live somewhere on either side of the Atlantic you will go out into a society which holds the common assumption that white is the majority and you will see this assumption as a the basis of a lot of advertising, media and entertainment.

Someone also previously wrote:

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I think racism would be much less of a problem in today's society if the minorities would let go of it.



I disagree with this. I disagree because it isn't the minorities who are the problem, but the people who are discriminating against them.

Racism still exists because it isn't just about the colour of their skin, but also about the way they live and their social position.

Obama is the first non-white US President (I use this term deliberately because to me Obama is mixed race and not black) yet this didn't stop some people questioning his entitlement to be president over his birth certificate. This wasn't an issue when Bush became US President.

However this took place in a society where you can find a movie released with a black actor in the lead role - for example Denzil Washington, Eddie Murphy, Whoopi Goldberg or Samuel L. Jackson.

The UK film industry still has to release a major movie featuring a black actor in the lead role.

This doesn't necessarily mean that I support positive discrimination. I don't, because it doesn't solve the issue, but merely changes it.

While the minorities still have a perfectly legitimate argument and cause, and one i support wholeheartedly, I also feel that as a whole we still have to evolve to the point where you can call a black person an asshole and they can accept that they're an asshole without making their skin colour an issue in response.

But for that to happen we have to evolve as a society where black politicians don't get challenged for their birth certificate when they become head of state and when they can be cast in the lead role in a major movie no differently from a white person....

..basically when the colour of someone's skin becomes as insignificant as the colour of their eyes or their hair.

This is no different from the right wing loonies down in P & R will granting me the same respect as a socialist as I grant them, despite them being right wing loonies.

But then you can argue that it's all fair and square because I'm stigmatizing them as mentally ill by calling them loonies. Does this mean I have issues with the mentally ill?

This isn't really about discrimination, but about prejudice.

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RE: racism - 6/14/2012 1:39:57 AM   
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Racism still exists because it isn't just about the colour of their skin, but also about the way they live and their social position.



Very good post stellauk. The snippet I quoted is relevant to what I was thinking.

its called 'socially accepted snobbery' Whites can show bigotry to 'white trash/chavs/working class' but because they defend immigrants from prejudice they believe they are progressive minded

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RE: racism - 6/14/2012 3:34:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		To be honest, what winds me up is the positive racism, because that just feeds into racism in general, you see minorities getting super preferential treatment, not because the companies are so open minded, but because they want to fill quotas, how frustrating for both sides - the minority person who busted his or her butt to get the qualifications for the job to only be seen as the token minority or in some cases somebody who happens to not be a minority not getting a job because they need more people that are minorities. That doesn't make anything better.

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its called 'socially accepted snobbery' Whites can show bigotry to 'white trash/chavs/working class' but because they defend immigrants from prejudice they believe they are progressive minded


You know, if you got stuff stolen from your backyard (friends keep chickens as pets, they're chicken shed now resembles a security tract because some chavs have fun stealing and killing the animals), if you see said chavs throwing stones at your dogs because they're a "foreign breed" after England lost a football match, if you encounter them drunk and violent on the street or in parks, see the destruction they wrecked because they were drunk and bored, it's not socially accepted snobbery - it's simple FEAR. If I encounter somebody who tells me he's on the dole, at the same time drinking lots of pints of beer in a pub, checking the latest iPhone for messages but complains that his cat is pregnant again and he can't have her done, despite it being substituted for people out of work, but £15 is still too expensive for him (a pint of beer is between £3 and £4) and he gives me his schedule in which pub he goes on which night and that it's not worth working as he would have to get up early and only make a bit more, I can't help but think SCUMBAG, yeah, I'm such a snob....

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RE: racism - 6/14/2012 4:40:17 AM   
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btw i am on eharmony, so i think i would know the majority of (white)men who email me

not racist at all.just the truth


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there is a whitepeoplemeet.com site, only it is called eharmony(or any other popular dating site)

blackpeoplemeet is not racist.there is also asian only websites & jewish only dating websites.nothing wrong with that.most people only want to date their own race(not me,though),that is their choice & beter for those people to be on that website than complaining on another, dont you think?




Ya know what....that's just fucked up racist shit stated by a black person. (Ergo, it's not racist).

eharmony is a white persons site.....gimme a fucking break.

Gawwwwd I could go on for days but that's just racist fucked up shit.




Not the "truth", just your experiences.

Does the fact that I get mostly contacted by black men make this and every other site I am on "black peoples sites'?

You may not mean to, but, to me, your attitude is one that keeps racism going, rather than helping to bring us together as people.

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RE: racism - 6/14/2012 6:39:15 AM   
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btw i am on eharmony, so i think i would know the majority of (white)men who email me

not racist at all.just the truth


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: fetisheden

there is a whitepeoplemeet.com site, only it is called eharmony(or any other popular dating site)

blackpeoplemeet is not racist.there is also asian only websites & jewish only dating websites.nothing wrong with that.most people only want to date their own race(not me,though),that is their choice & beter for those people to be on that website than complaining on another, dont you think?




Ya know what....that's just fucked up racist shit stated by a black person. (Ergo, it's not racist).

eharmony is a white persons site.....gimme a fucking break.

Gawwwwd I could go on for days but that's just racist fucked up shit.




Not the "truth", just your experiences.

Does the fact that I get mostly contacted by black men make this and every other site I am on "black peoples sites'?

You may not mean to, but, to me, your attitude is one that keeps racism going, rather than helping to bring us together as people.


Yepper.

My great grandfather never owned a slave, my grandfather never owned a slave, my father never owned a slave and I never did either.

There were some really shitty times in history that should never have happened. To blacks, indians, whites, asians, every race has been pilloried by some aggressor in history.

It's over.

There are grants for school because you're black. There are set asides so that a certain percentage of blacks can get in regardless of test scores, a certain percentage of employees on federally funded jobs are required to be minorities.

All of which came about because the NAACP and others demanded it in the 60's, only to tell everyone in the 90's that the very same thing was another example of "the man" holding blacks back.

White people don't bitch about this stuff because they know it'll echo off of walls with no one giving a shit.

I don't know the stats but if I recall, Asians do better in school after 1 generation of coming here than whites do, whites do better than blacks. Is that because we're holding blacks back? No more than we're exalting Asians.

Asians are clearly not as lazy as whites.

Make your own assumptions about the remainder but it's this simple: No one is holding blacks back.

Except for blacks.

And by perpetuating racism, in any form, only confirms that any given group is destined to become what you believe.

Believe something better.

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