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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 12:42:36 PM   
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I don't play casually so the only way for me is with love and in a long term committed relationship and with someone who loves and cares for me and only wants the best for us both.

And when I agreed to be in a relationship I agreed to do whatever he wants whether I like it or not. BUT and here's the big BUT...I took the time to get to know him, I listened to him, I learned about his values and morals, I learned what kind of man he is and that we shared in the same limits, values, morals, views, etc....it wasn't something I jumped into without knowing him as a man and a Master.

I do whatever he wants whether I want it or not because I trust him with my entire life, inside, outside, backwards, forwards, in every single way because he has never, not once, ever given me any reason to doubt him. We work as a unit, as one so anything he does to me is going to affect him as well and well, he doesn't want bad things in his life either.


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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 12:45:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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bwaa hahahahaha, now you reminded me who it was.

respectfully, i wish you and others could just leave the baggage behind. try and fergit past encounters, and treat each post on it's own merits. i.e., behave and react to the post, not the poster. if you simply cannot do this, then ignore posts of people you don't like, who you cannot control your reaction to.


At first glance this sounds like a good idea.

Then I start thinking about things like.....I once tried saurkraut and discovered I hate saurkraut. Why would I buy it again. I once tried Zumba, discovered it fuckin killed my knees, why would I try it again. I once went to a WWF match, the most boring, longest, and miserable evening anyone ever paid a dime for. Why would I do it again? There is a saying about doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. I once dated a remarkably boring and self centred, yet beautiful woman. Why would I want to bother with a second date when the first bored me to tears?

When I see a person repeatedly post idiotically, why would I assume they would magically turn into someone I want to give any credit for intelligence?

As for controlling reactions, I think that there is a factor that you are not taking into consideration. The 'making fun of trolls' factor. You see, on here, we have a fair number of sadists. Some of the most wicked are s-types.

Let the mods do their job. No one has recruited you for mod duty. And then, last but not least, perhaps you should take your own advice. If Oside's post to cb24 bothers you so much, please feel free to ignore them.

my answer is in what you quoted from me...

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if you simply cannot do this, then ignore posts of people you don't like, who you cannot control your reaction to.


we both know the definition of insanity, so no one expects that.

i just noticed your edit as i write this...bwaaa hahaha, leave it to you to call me on that. my horsie is hurt. yes, we (myself included) love to toy with those that we justify doing so because we think they are trolls. who ya gonna call? but i wait for them to actually do it, i.e., i behave and react to their words, not them. that's a major difference between you and me. i don't use their past behavior to pre-indict them as an excuse for peremptory poor attitude. if i treat them nice, and they're still an ass, then that's on them.



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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 12:55:53 PM   
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Are there dom/mes who dom to get what they don't want? Are there sub/slaves that sub/slave to get what they don't want? I hate to say this chatter because I like you, really I do, your posts make me laugh(and that is no short task to take on) But in the real world everyone does everything so they can get something out of it. Even people that give out love do it in the hope that they will get love in return.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 1:31:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Karmastic
if i treat them nice, and they're still an ass, then that's on them.


I've already done that. She behaved like an ass. Therefore, I treat her like an ass.


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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:00:30 PM   
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Karma, the thing is, you have been here a couple of months, and you have no idea about past interactions among others who have been here longer.

Someone calling someone else a dickhead might be just because they think that person is a dickhead, might be that said person has acted like a dickhead so much that there seems no reason to believe they are ever gonna be anything else, or it might be friendly banter between folks who have cut up together on here for years.

You can choose how you respond to others, but please, until you are made a mod, don't try to instruct me on how to reply to anyone.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:22:57 PM   
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Karma, the thing is, you have been here a couple of months, and you have no idea about past interactions among others who have been here longer.

Someone calling someone else a dickhead might be just because they think that person is a dickhead, might be that said person has acted like a dickhead so much that there seems no reason to believe they are ever gonna be anything else, or it might be friendly banter between folks who have cut up together on here for years.

You can choose how you respond to others, but please, until you are made a mod, don't try to instruct me on how to reply to anyone.

i recognize i don't have context of all the past interactions. in this case, i did, and read the first threads from this OP.

i have been on boards for decades, and do know that not letting things go, and persistently bombing each new post a person makes can tear a board down (not saying it's that extreme here, just making an observation of how it can and sometimes does go).

i think it's extremely ironic that you cannot see that i have every right to make a preachy post as you do a snarky one. do you not see the insane pathology of you accusing me of "instructing you on how to reply to anyone" as you do the same to me? i.e., i'm not instructing anyone (esp not anyone in particular) on how to post. i'm simply making a preachy post, and welcome your right to give your opinion of my post (or to be snarky in some other context, which i noticed, you weren't here).


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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:29:25 PM   
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Your take is not my take. Good luck!

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:44:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
We work as a unit, as one so anything he does to me is going to affect him as well and well, he doesn't want bad things in his life either.



That's my take on the most vital part of the d/s relationship. You're a unit, you compliment each other and for either part of the unit to want to actually cause problems for the other is to cause problems for themselves and thus utterly bizarre, unless the relationship is abusive.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:52:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Okay Im sure there will be alot of controversial posts to this but Im going to post this anyway. Cause Im that type of gal. lol.


This is my take on this. Unless a master is of the upmost caliber without love Mastering is just a way of getting what You want. I am talking in a relationship sense, not just play.

Very few people will take someone on they dont love without a huge payback for them. Its a huge responiblity for someone who has good intentions.

I see Mastering without love in most circumstances as this. You have a love sick slave doing anything to plz a man, and so all this obeying comes in to PROVE how good of a slave you are. If the Master doesnt love you well your really just an alternative and being used in all kinds of way to make the Masters life better either by financial ways, domestic duites, or an easy fuck in some circumstances. IT becomes a game of just how far this slave will go, almost laughable really at the slaves expense. Asking them to do things that can ruin their life in many instances, JUST TO SEE, ya know cause it really doesnt effect them and they want to see just how stupid the slave is. Cause said slave is truly just an alternative to a real meaningful relationship.
On the flip side, A Master with love guides a slave in all the right directions and does anything in his power to enrich her life, and he wants to give back because she is so appreciated and loved.



Anytime someone predicts a "controversial" response to their post, it's a good bet some pompousness will follow.

Anyway, my take: You figure out what works for you, and then find someone who complements that.

Will there be sick people who will take advantage of others, and sick people who allow themselves to be taken advantage of. No duh.

Never sure who posts of this type thing they're talking to.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:57:53 PM   
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Hey Karm,

I like you and thank you. THe past is the past. I will treat You with respect.

I did say in my post IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, I didnt mean in every circumstance because how would I even know that? Everyone has their own experiences. Its interesting to hear how people apply things in their own lifes. Everyone has different needs, such as love or none. Doesnt mean 0ne is any better then the other. I was only saying I think that happens alot, especially to someone with lil experience and someone who isnt quite sure of what their actual needs are yet.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 2:58:36 PM   
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respectfully, i wish you and others could just leave the baggage behind. try and fergit past encounters, and treat each post on it's own merits. i.e., behave and react to the post, not the poster. if you simply cannot do this, then ignore posts of people you don't like, who you cannot control your reaction to.
Respectfully, I decline to do as you wish. I will take past postings into account. I will not ignore posts that irk me either.

You may feel free to ignore and not respond to anything that I type that you find offensive though. Or, you can reply so we can disagree.

See how that works?

have a marvelous day!

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 3:00:27 PM   
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Now to the OP-lol.

For me, when i first discovered this thing that I love to do, it was purely a physical and mental relationship, no love was wanted or needed. Now I find that I am searching for the whole package.

Not to say I couldn't find someone else who blew my shorts off, without a relationship, but, I doubt it very much.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 3:16:36 PM   
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What does it matter what people get out of it and why would that concern you or anyone else? Adults do as they like for whatever reasons they have and that is their right. Someone may enjoy getting things from another without an emotional investment in them, and the person who is supplying the things, whatever they may be, can be perfectly fine with that arrangement. Human beings are multifaceted, they all have different reasons for doing what they like, how fulfilling their lives are to them are their own responsibility as well as what they engage in.

The original post of this thread really makes no sense to me, it's like saying the sky is blue. Yes, people will do as they like and in this country anyway, they are guaranteed that freedom as long as they don't break any laws. Therefore both people involved need to be responsible and looking out for themselves - this lifestyle does not give predators carte blanche to do as they like, if anyone is being taken advantage of, or is in a situation that isn't right for them, then they are the ones responsible for not entering it to begin with or stopping it.

On another note, Domination in any form does not have to have love involved. It is not a prerequisite. Many wish to have it, many don't. A slave or submissive who is involved with a Dominant who does not love them is not necessarily engaging in something that is detrimental to them. Also, a Dominant who loves his submissive partner does not necessarily do anything in his power to enrich the slave's life. Anytime blanket statements are made they are rather silly because by their very nature they will NOT include all of the human race within the perimeters that they are trying to make.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 3:25:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Okay Im sure there will be alot of controversial posts to this but Im going to post this anyway. Cause Im that type of gal. lol.



K. Let me put my sake burger down.

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This is my take on this. Unless a master is of the upmost caliber without love Mastering is just a way of getting what You want. I am talking in a relationship sense, not just play.


Damn right it's about getting what I want. That's what she signed up for. She either does, or she leaves. It really is that simple. Love doesn't have to be present for us to both get what we want or need out of it. You think friends with "benefits" give a shit about "love" and all that? Does this mean they are just casual fuck buddies? No, that's where the "friend" part comes in. A romantic relationship may hold some semblence of what you are describing, but is not what you articulated here.

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Very few people will take someone on they dont love without a huge payback for them. Its a huge responiblity for someone who has good intentions.


Tell that to the housebois and domestics that aren't doing it for "love". Or the weekend warriors in the local groups. Or the- oh hell you get the picture. Love has little to do with BDSM. "Payback" as you have included it here is a matter of perspective; unique to each individual. Though, I do agree that it is indeed a responsibility who you choose to play with, regardless of wich side of the kneel you are on "payback" is measured individually.

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I see Mastering without love in most circumstances as this. You have a love sick slave doing anything to plz a man, and so all this obeying comes in to PROVE how good of a slave you are. If the Master doesnt love you well your really just an alternative and being used in all kinds of way to make the Masters life better either by financial ways, domestic duites, or an easy fuck in some circumstances.


Yah because masochists only like being tortured by those they "love". Or humiliated by thier spouse.. You have a very fairytale view of master and slave relationships. There are all kinds, and not all are romantic in nature.

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IT becomes a game of just how far this slave will go, almost laughable really at the slaves expense. Asking them to do things that can ruin their life in many instances, JUST TO SEE, ya know cause it really doesnt effect them and they want to see just how stupid the slave is.


From my own experiences, the Masters and Mistresses I've met in real life, care about the well being of thier charges. They feed thier desires and wants based on what they agreed to or need out of the relationship they have established. The people you are talking about aren't "masters". They are just abusive duchebags hiding behind a label. Anyone can do that. Anyone.

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Cause said slave is truly just an alternative to a real meaningful relationship.
On the flip side, A Master with love guides a slave in all the right directions and does anything in his power to enrich her life, and he wants to give back because she is so appreciated and loved.


That's a nice sentiment, very poetic. I know more than a few who have none of what you describe and are not only happy, but have managed to carry on in thier relationships for more than some marriages I've witnessed. Being a Master or Mistress or any other label is not going to fit in some tiny box. It isn't bound by limits set by you or me or anyone else. It is bound ONLY by the people in the relationship and the interests, desires, and needs they have established.

Will they last forever? I don't know. I don't even care. It isn't my place to tell them how to carry on. I don't judge. If all a kinky encounter consists of is a sub rubbing peanut butter all over him or herself and pretending to be an infant a few times a month or week or whatever, that's not my place to judge them. They pay thier bills, love thier spouse, is are great parents, and that's all that should matter. It really is. If you don't agree with that, it's your buissiness. No one says you have to. Doesn't mean anyone else is gonna throw a parade for you and claim you've discovered the onetwueway for the rest of the world.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 3:33:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lizi

What does it matter what people get out of it and why would that concern you or anyone else? Adults do as they like for whatever reasons they have and that is their right. Someone may enjoy getting things from another without an emotional investment in them, and the person who is supplying the things, whatever they may be, can be perfectly fine with that arrangement. Human beings are multifaceted, they all have different reasons for doing what they like, how fulfilling their lives are to them are their own responsibility as well as what they engage in.

The original post of this thread really makes no sense to me, it's like saying the sky is blue. Yes, people will do as they like and in this country anyway, they are guaranteed that freedom as long as they don't break any laws. Therefore both people involved need to be responsible and looking out for themselves - this lifestyle does not give predators carte blanche to do as they like, if anyone is being taken advantage of, or is in a situation that isn't right for them, then they are the ones responsible for not entering it to begin with or stopping it.

On another note, Domination in any form does not have to have love involved. It is not a prerequisite. Many wish to have it, many don't. A slave or submissive who is involved with a Dominant who does not love them is not necessarily engaging in something that is detrimental to them. Also, a Dominant who loves his submissive partner does not necessarily do anything in his power to enrich the slave's life. Anytime blanket statements are made they are rather silly because by their very nature they will NOT include all of the human race within the perimeters that they are trying to make.

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What does it matter what people get out of it and why would that concern you or anyone else?


WHy does it matter? Human behavior is intriguing and an interest.
Why do people wear blue? THey like it maybe?

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 3:55:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
I can dominate anyone willing to be dominated. I don't even have to like them or give a damn about them. I can play with someone I don't love, but I have to find them attractive and very likable. I can love a person and not want to dominate, or play with, them. I can have sex with a person and not be in love with them, want to dominate them, or want to play with them. I won't invite a person to my home, into my private space, unless I trust them. If I cannot trust you, I won't play with you or have sex with you, but I can care about you and I might want to dominate you.

Oh yeah? Well, can you do it all while chewing gum?
A lovely response, LaT. I like how I wrapped my head around it.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 5:33:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Okay Im sure there will be alot of controversial posts to this but Im going to post this anyway. Cause Im that type of gal. lol.


This is my take on this. Unless a master is of the upmost caliber without love Mastering is just a way of getting what You want. I am talking in a relationship sense, not just play.

Very few people will take someone on they dont love without a huge payback for them. Its a huge responiblity for someone who has good intentions.

I see Mastering without love in most circumstances as this. You have a love sick slave doing anything to plz a man, and so all this obeying comes in to PROVE how good of a slave you are. If the Master doesnt love you well your really just an alternative and being used in all kinds of way to make the Masters life better either by financial ways, domestic duites, or an easy fuck in some circumstances. IT becomes a game of just how far this slave will go, almost laughable really at the slaves expense. Asking them to do things that can ruin their life in many instances, JUST TO SEE, ya know cause it really doesnt effect them and they want to see just how stupid the slave is. Cause said slave is truly just an alternative to a real meaningful relationship.
On the flip side, A Master with love guides a slave in all the right directions and does anything in his power to enrich her life, and he wants to give back because she is so appreciated and loved.



(I'm assuming there was a question?)

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 5:36:33 PM   
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nope, no question, just more of the usual onetwuewayism.

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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 5:44:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Endivius

nope, no question, just more of the usual onetwuewayism.


Yup, with no experience to back it up.


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RE: Domming. Mastering without love - 6/11/2012 5:54:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: FemalecumLover


Why everyone has to be offensive when someone is proposing an opinion/an Idea

if we are the kinksters who are outcasts cant tolerate each others opinions
how can we expect the society to accept us !

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Because we have previous experiences with this particular poster. Feel free to look up her first two threads.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4007074/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4007074

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4038446/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4038446



Either a troll or a freaking train wreck... OY

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