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Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 8:59:15 AM   
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Florida sues federal government amid voter registration row


The state of Florida announced it was suing the federal government in a growing row over voter registration just five months before the US presidential vote.

The lawsuit calls on the Department of Homeland Security to provide Florida with access to an immigration database so that it can check if foreigners have made it onto lists of people eligible to cast ballots.

"For nearly a year, the US Department of Homeland Security has failed to meet its legal obligation to provide us the information necessary to identify and remove ineligible voters from Florida's voter rolls," Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner said in a statement. "We've filed a lawsuit to ensure the law is carried out and we are able to meet our obligation to keep the voter rolls accurate and current."

Early last month, Florida election officials said they had found 2,600 registered voters who are not believed to be US citizens. They also announced they were reviewing the details of another 180,000 people. In total, Florida's voting rolls contain 12 million names.

The so-called purge of non-US citizens has sparked considerable controversy.
Black and Hispanic Americans have complained about letters from authorities asking them to confirm their immigration status. Some fear they will not have enough time to clear things up before local legislative elections on August 14 and the presidential election November 6.

The suit comes after the Justice Department demanded that Florida suspend its purge of voter registration rolls, claiming the process violated the National Voter Registration Act.

http://news.yahoo.com/florida-sues-federal-government-amid-voter-registration-row-040946723.html

Now, this has been a hoot to watch... in a sad sort of way.


In Florida, election officials appointed by the state’s Republican governor are in a fight with the Department of Justice over their effort to purge the voter rolls of non-citizens, an effort federal authorities contend unfairly targets members of minority groups.

And last month, Arizona’s secretary of state, who is also Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s campaign co-chairman, threatened to keep Obama’s name off the state ballot on Nov. 6 unless officials in Hawaii provided proof that Obama was born in their state. They did so, and Republican Ken Bennett added Obama’s name, but he was criticized for reviving discredited speculation that Obama, the first black U.S. president, was born in Africa, and thus ineligible to hold the office.

A comment there was interesting....

Well Florida at it again. They are purging off Democrats and independents. I know that for the fact, as I just got my new voters card back today. I was purged and the only way I found out is I lost my homestead exemption and that was via a post card. In Florida is you are not registered to vote you don’t get the homestead. I had to spend 7 hours to get back my rights to vote as an independent. would have only taken 3 hours if i had marked GOP, and that was out of the staff’s mouth.

http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2012/06/08/will-election-2012-be-another-florida-2000/

As to the accuracy of the list provided by the Governor there...


According to the Miami Herald, Florida's current list of potential non-citizen voters includes many people who are lawful citizens.

One voter singled out as suspicious turned out to be a Brooklyn-born World War Two hero with a Bronze Star from the Battle of the Bulge.

About 58 percent on the list were Hispanics - Florida's largest ethnic immigrant population - while whites and Republicans were least likely to face being purged from the rolls, the newspaper said.

Florida has what civil rights groups describe as a long history of voter roll tampering and manipulation. Most recently, in both 2000 and 2004, it tried purging convicted felons from the rolls using what were found to be inaccurate lists that kept ballots out of the hands of black voters who tend to vote Democratic.

Former President George W. Bush, a Republican, beat former Vice President Al Gore, a Democrat, by a wafer thin 537 votes in the Florida presidential race in 2000, the outcome of which was hotly disputed and ultimately decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.


http://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-tells-florida-end-voter-purge-165102936.html

I would not care if this was a blue state. And while I have stated I would have no problem with voter ID, this is beyond unbelievable.

Anyone have a clue where Scott got this list from? And why its overwhelmingly non-republican? Im sure verifying, for some, only takes a few hours, but, honestly, a 91 year old decorated war veteran?



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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:06:02 AM   
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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:07:51 AM   
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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:13:24 AM   
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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:15:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		At the risk of deleting citizens... rightful, lawfully allowed citizens from voting?

Come on, servant. If this was a Dem controlled state, you would have been bitching long ago.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:15:33 AM   
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Gotta get a better lie.......

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:39:09 AM   
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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 9:56:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Legal voters now have to prove they are legal before they can remain on a voter list.

Explain to me where that is in the constitution?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 10:01:51 AM   
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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 10:08:27 AM   
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Show me in the Constitution where one has to prove they are legally able to vote to continue to vote.

This isnt a case of someone registering for the first time. Nor is it a case of someone switching states. Nor are these cases of people showing up at actual voter stations to cast a ballot.


The state whittled that list to more than 2,600 voters and forwarded those names to counties. A Times/Herald analysis of the list found it was dominated by Democrats, independents and Hispanics. The largest number were from Miami-Dade, home to the state's highest foreign-born population.

In Miami-Dade, 359 voters have provided proof that they are citizens. The county determined on its own that an additional 26 were citizens, while 10 others either admitted they were ineligible or requested to be removed.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/florida-democrats-say-gov-rick-scott-leading-misguided-effort-to-purge/1232600

This is beyond ridiculous... the waste in postage alone is pathetic... for 10 out of over 400? None of which they state are illegals.... just that they are on Dade's roles.

Voter supression is fine with you? really?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 12:17:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Democrat or Republican it doesn't matter. If you are ineligible to vote you have no business being on a voter role. Legal voters will not be removed.

Legal voters have been removed. Didn't you read the OP?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 1:28:22 PM   
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Democrat or Republican it doesn't matter. If you are ineligible to vote you have no business being on a voter role. Legal voters will not be removed.

Does that go for the 680 ineligible absentee ballots that got the chimp elected back in 2000?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 1:35:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		87% Of Rick Scott's Florida Voter Purge Targets Are People of Color

The fact that 87% of the targets of Rick Scott’s Florida voter purge are people of color demonstrates that when Republicans say voter fraud they really mean blacks and Hispanics voting.

According to ColorofChange, “Florida Governor Rick Scott is trying to purge state voter rolls just before a key election. Scott's purge will give 180,000 Floridians — 87% of whom are people of color — 30 days to prove their citizenship. Any person who does not provide proof will be dropped from the rolls and deemed ineligible to vote.”

It might be too much to ask Republicans to explain why their voter suppression efforts target people who aren’t white, because they seem to be having a hard enough time proving that voter fraud actually exists.

Here is a fun little experiment. The next time you hear a Republican using the words voter fraud, substitute the phrase African American and Hispanic people voting. For example when a Republican claims that the biggest problem their state faces is voter fraud, what they really saying is that, “The biggest problem Republicans in my state are facing is that too many African-Americans and Hispanics are voting.” When Republicans refer to the “epidemic of voter fraud,” they are really talking about the, “epidemic of African Americans and Hispanics voting.”

After alienating women, African-Americans, and Hispanics, the only way Republicans that can win elections is by shrinking the size of the electorate by disqualifying as many Democratic leaning voters as possible. If voter fraud was a real problem in Florida, why haven’t there been more prosecutions for this crime? According to the Orlando Sentinel, “178 cases of alleged voter fraud have been referred to the department since 2000. FDLE's spreadsheet showed 11 arrests, but that apparently didn't include a 2009 bust of ACORN registration volunteers in Miami-Dade that yielded seven convictions and sentences ranging from probation to 72 days in jail.”

After the 2000 presidential election, Florida reformed their process, and there have been no prosecutions for absentee ballot voter fraud. Even though whites make up 68% of electorate in Dade County, they were only 9% of the target names on Gov. Scott’s list. In Dade, 64% of those targeted were Hispanic, and 14% were African-American.

Something tells me that if these African Americans and Hispanics were strong supporters of the Republican Party, no such purge would be taking place. Beyond the political backfire of helping Obama, the attempted Florida voter purge demonstrates how little Republicans value the concept of one person, one vote.

The most likely outcome of an Obama reelection is that Republicans will work even harder to suppress the Democratic vote in future elections.

Voter fraud isn’t just a myth. It’s Republican code. Remember, when you hear a Republican talk about voter fraud what they really are trying to eliminate is the “problem” of Democrats, African Americans, and Hispanics voting.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 1:41:33 PM   
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...Purging based on database matching can be unreliable. Many attempts to match information will yield predictable errors. The infamous Florida purges of 2000 were caused in part by bad matching standards. Any Florida voter was purged from the rolls if his name shared 80 percent of the letters of a name in a nationwide felon database; a California felon named John Michaelson would cause an eligible Floridian named John Michaels to be disenfranchised. These purges were wildly inaccurate: over half of the purged voters who appealed their removal from the rolls were deemed eligible.

...Purges can also be discriminatory. Many purges occur out of the public spotlight. In such conditions, criteria can be selected that cause predictable disparities among the voters removed from the rolls. In 2004, for example, Florida attempted to match its voter rolls to lists of persons disqualified due to conviction. This time, the state apparently tightened its criteria, requiring more exacting matches of the information on both lists - including the race of the voter. However, because Florida voting records recognized Hispanic individuals as a distinct racial category but Florida corrections records did not, only a handful of records of Hispanic voters were “matched” based on race. The result: approximately 22,000 African-American voters were slated to be purged, compared to approximately 63 Hispanic voters. In addition to the blatant racial disparity, given the dominant partisan voting patterns of African-Americans and Hispanics in Florida, the perceived electoral impact of the purge generated widespread outrage.




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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 1:43:59 PM   
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What is wrong with keeping voter roles current and accurate ? If there are illegal immigrants and others ineligible to vote they should be kept from doing so.


Suffice it to say that Florida's objectivity and competence regarding past elections is not above reproach. Granting them the opportunity to purge voter rolls without oversight, in such a time frame as to not allow review, would be insane.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 1:46:32 PM   
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...In addition to being inaccurate and outdated, the list the State of Florida sent to local elections officials to trigger the re-verification requirement letters, disproportionately targets Hispanics. According to analysis of those singled out to prove their citizenship, 61% are Hispanic when only 14% of registered Florida voters are Hispanic. By contrast, only 16% of those on the state’s purge list are identified as White when they compose approximately 70% of Florida voters.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 1:51:59 PM   
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Anyone have a clue where Scott got this list from?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/politics/florida-voting-lawsuit/index.html

...Using information from Florida's Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, the state identified more than 100,000 names of non-eligible voters that could potentially be on the lists illegally.

Critics say the plan unfairly targets minorities and paint it as an attempt to dissuade typically Democratic voters from going to the polls.

While the Justice Department notes that states can legally remove non-eligible voters from their lists, the letter Monday argues that the Florida program does not comply with legal standards, has "critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse eligible voters."

The letter states that the Florida program improperly uses the information collected from old driver's license applications.

"The information is often going to be outdated, as a number of persons will subsequently have become citizens and lawfully registered to vote," Perez wrote.

It also suggests that the removal process has been going on during a "90-day quiet period" prior to the August 14 primary election.

"Please immediately cease this unlawful conduct," the letter states.

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And why its overwhelmingly non-republican?

I can only speculate...

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 3:08:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing with the potential purge list, though, is that the State BoE sends it down to the County BoE's. The State does not purge just for shits and giggles. The County BoE is sent lists for verification. If the County finds the voters are legally registered, the voter should not be purged. Why it has happened, I can't tell you, but it's not supposed to happen.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 5:53:45 PM   
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I have been waiting to see who would bring this up....

Florida sues federal government amid voter registration row


The state of Florida announced it was suing the federal government in a growing row over voter registration just five months before the US presidential vote.

The lawsuit calls on the Department of Homeland Security to provide Florida with access to an immigration database so that it can check if foreigners have made it onto lists of people eligible to cast ballots.

"For nearly a year, the US Department of Homeland Security has failed to meet its legal obligation to provide us the information necessary to identify and remove ineligible voters from Florida's voter rolls," Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner said in a statement. "We've filed a lawsuit to ensure the law is carried out and we are able to meet our obligation to keep the voter rolls accurate and current."

Early last month, Florida election officials said they had found 2,600 registered voters who are not believed to be US citizens. They also announced they were reviewing the details of another 180,000 people. In total, Florida's voting rolls contain 12 million names.

The so-called purge of non-US citizens has sparked considerable controversy.
Black and Hispanic Americans have complained about letters from authorities asking them to confirm their immigration status. Some fear they will not have enough time to clear things up before local legislative elections on August 14 and the presidential election November 6.

The suit comes after the Justice Department demanded that Florida suspend its purge of voter registration rolls, claiming the process violated the National Voter Registration Act.

http://news.yahoo.com/florida-sues-federal-government-amid-voter-registration-row-040946723.html

Now, this has been a hoot to watch... in a sad sort of way.


In Florida, election officials appointed by the state’s Republican governor are in a fight with the Department of Justice over their effort to purge the voter rolls of non-citizens, an effort federal authorities contend unfairly targets members of minority groups.

And last month, Arizona’s secretary of state, who is also Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s campaign co-chairman, threatened to keep Obama’s name off the state ballot on Nov. 6 unless officials in Hawaii provided proof that Obama was born in their state. They did so, and Republican Ken Bennett added Obama’s name, but he was criticized for reviving discredited speculation that Obama, the first black U.S. president, was born in Africa, and thus ineligible to hold the office.

A comment there was interesting....

Well Florida at it again. They are purging off Democrats and independents. I know that for the fact, as I just got my new voters card back today. I was purged and the only way I found out is I lost my homestead exemption and that was via a post card. In Florida is you are not registered to vote you don’t get the homestead. I had to spend 7 hours to get back my rights to vote as an independent. would have only taken 3 hours if i had marked GOP, and that was out of the staff’s mouth.

http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2012/06/08/will-election-2012-be-another-florida-2000/

As to the accuracy of the list provided by the Governor there...


According to the Miami Herald, Florida's current list of potential non-citizen voters includes many people who are lawful citizens.

One voter singled out as suspicious turned out to be a Brooklyn-born World War Two hero with a Bronze Star from the Battle of the Bulge.

About 58 percent on the list were Hispanics - Florida's largest ethnic immigrant population - while whites and Republicans were least likely to face being purged from the rolls, the newspaper said.

Florida has what civil rights groups describe as a long history of voter roll tampering and manipulation. Most recently, in both 2000 and 2004, it tried purging convicted felons from the rolls using what were found to be inaccurate lists that kept ballots out of the hands of black voters who tend to vote Democratic.

Former President George W. Bush, a Republican, beat former Vice President Al Gore, a Democrat, by a wafer thin 537 votes in the Florida presidential race in 2000, the outcome of which was hotly disputed and ultimately decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.


http://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-tells-florida-end-voter-purge-165102936.html

I would not care if this was a blue state. And while I have stated I would have no problem with voter ID, this is beyond unbelievable.

Anyone have a clue where Scott got this list from? And why its overwhelmingly non-republican? Im sure verifying, for some, only takes a few hours, but, honestly, a 91 year old decorated war veteran?




Who's the AG in Florida? Republican or Democrat?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/12/2012 6:02:53 PM   
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