ropekitten
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Aries, people and animals will respond in essentially the same way. If you are abusive, you will be obeyed but not loved. If you are loving but don't have firm boundaries, the other one won't know what is or isn't appropriate.
We've had show horses for the last ten or so years. Punishment is hitting the horse with a crop for not turning right. It doesn't teach him that he needs to turn right, it just teaches him to be afraid of you. Rewards are petting and peppermints. They don't teach him to turn to the right either, they just teach him that you like him and have good stuff in your pockets.
Negative reinforcement is pulling the rein to the right with my right arm and pushing my left leg into him. Putting pressure on to teach him where I want him to go. Positive reinforcement is removing the pressure when he goes where I want. If he stops moving to the right, then I use the rein and the leg again, it's light pressure and not painful, it's like leading in ballroom dancing. When he keeps going in the indicated direction, I stop giving the pressure. I only use it when I want him to change directions. Negative and positive reinforcement teach skills. Punishment and reward don't.
The aim is to teach the animal, or person, to succeed. If you withhold affection if someone fails, how does that solve the problem? What does it teach except that they should never try anything new for fear of failure?
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Please, just show/tell me what is wanted instead of making me guess! You don't have to try to trick me into things (not that I would turn down the petting and peppermints if I have done well...). I've often thought of horse analogies of late for after my last relationship, for I am now "head-shy" (crop-shy, nipple-clamp-shy, electric-shy, humiliation-shy... ) I believe subs can be ruined just as horses can be ruined, though perhaps subs can be led back to trusting a little quicker than horses.
I think it all depends on the sub's personality. What a very willing sub would need would be much different from what a defiant sub would need and would be different still from what would be needed with a sub who misbehaved purposefully to provoke a less-experienced Dom.
If I were struck with a crop and had no idea that what I had just done was wrong, I would be very afraid to move after that. If, however, I were given a sharp smack because I had been inattentive in a position which had already been clearly taught to me, that would get my attention and I would be more attentive. If I were given that same smack after a very long time of maintaining that position and I was getting fatigued, I would correct it, but would be start to focus on how to better communicate the need for rest (something I am working on because I am afraid of disappointing the Top, but I am aware of that problem of mine and it is not the focus of this thread)
(I also like the analogy of a falcon and her falconer. There is nothing forcing the falcon to stay, she can just fly away. She hunts because it is her nature, she brings it back because she has been trained to, she stays because her needs are fulfilled.)
This too:
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ORIGINAL: seleya
...as a sub, aside from maybe enjoying the occasional Alpha roll, much can be gained by positive reinforcement and guiding behavior with both positive and some negative input. I will move the Earth for a "good girl" and try harder the next time to make it so even if I don't enjoy what I'm doing because it gains me praise and I know He is pleased.
< Message edited by ropekitten -- 6/27/2012 9:47:09 AM >
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