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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
I could have posted the Fox news link to avoid ad hominem attacks.... Oh wait... It appears that no matter what source is used, strawmen win the day.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

NOW he's quoting MSNBC?

Does anyone here have standards???

I could have posted the Fox news link to avoid ad hominem attacks.... Oh wait... It appears that no matter what source is used, strawmen win the day.

Now you're gettin' it.

Shall we wait for it in Huffpo?

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ORIGINAL: Arturas
The use of "Executive Priviledge" is a desperation move

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

 
He did do it.....it was a continuation of bush policy......

What.....history doesn`t count.....again?

Every time you cons bring up this stuff.......you`re only bringing up bush......

I thought you cons were tired of hearing/talking about bush?

Stop talking about him then.......

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Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[4][24]

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2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]

The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to use "gunwalking" as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.[3] However, long-standing DOJ and ATF policy has required arms shipments to be intercepted.[4][5]

In November 2009, the Phoenix office's Group VII, which would be the lead investigative group in Fast and Furious, began to follow a prolific gun trafficker. He had bought 34 firearms in 24 days, and he and his associates bought 212 more in the next month. The case soon grew to over two dozen straw purchasers, the most prolific of which would ultimately buy more than 600 weapons.[3][5][31]

The tactic of letting guns walk, rather than interdicting them and arresting the buyers, led to controversy within the ATF.[5][32] As the case continued, several members of Group VII, including John Dodson and Olindo Casa, became increasingly upset at the tactic of allowing guns to walk. Their standard Project Gunrunner training was to follow the straw purchasers to the hand-off to the cartel buyers, then arrest both parties and seize the guns. They watched guns being bought illegally and stashed on a daily basis, while their supervisors, including David Voth and Hope MacAllister, prevented the agents from intervening.[3]

Responding to the disagreements, Voth wrote an email in March 2010: "I will be damned if this case is going to suffer due to petty arguing, rumors, or other adolescent behavior. I don’t know what all the issues are but we are all adults, we are all professionals, and we have an exciting opportunity to use the biggest tool in our law enforcement tool box. If you don’t think this is fun you are in the wrong line of work – period!”[3][33]

By June 2010, suspects had purchased 1,608 firearms at a cost of over US$1 million at Phoenix-area gun shops. At that time, the ATF was also aware of 179 of those weapons being found at crime scenes in Mexico, and 130 in the United States.[8] As guns traced to Fast and Furious began turning up at violent crime scenes in Mexico, ATF agents stationed there also voiced opposition.[3]

On the evening of December 14, 2010, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and others were patrolling Peck Canyon, Santa Cruz County, Arizona, 11 miles from the Mexican border. The group came across five suspected illegal immigrants. When they fired non-lethal beanbag guns, the suspects responded with their own weapons, leading to a firefight. Agent Terry was shot and killed; four of the suspects were arrested and two AK-pattern rifles were found nearby. The rifles were traced to Fast and Furious within hours of the shooting, but the bullet that killed Terry was too badly damaged to be linked to either gun.[3]

After hearing of the incident, Agent Dodson reached out to ATF headquarters, ATF's chief counsel, the ATF ethics section and the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General, none of whom immediately responded. He and other agents then contacted Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa (R–IA), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who would become a major figure in the investigation of "gunwalking." At the same time, information began leaking to various bloggers and Web sites.[3]
FN Five-sevens were among the weapons allowed to walk.[34]

On January 25, 2011, U.S. Attorney Burke announced the first details of the case to become officially public, marking the end of Operation Fast and Furious. At a news conference in Phoenix, he reported a 53-count indictment of 20 suspects for buying hundreds of guns intended for illegal export between September 2009 and December 2010. Newell, who was at the conference, called Fast and Furious a "phenomenal case," while denying that guns had been deliberately allowed to walk into Mexico.[3][24]

Altogether, 2,020 firearms were bought by straw purchasers during Fast and Furious.[3] These included AK-47 variants, Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifles, .38 caliber revolvers, and FN Five-sevens.[34] As of October 20, 2011, 389 had been recovered in the US and 276 had been recovered in Mexico. The rest remained on the streets, unaccounted for.[15] Most of the guns went to the Sinaloa Cartel, while others made their way to El Teo and La Familia.[2][25]

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

We all know that if the Obamanistas hadn't botched the operation (like the Clintonistas with Reno and Waco), then they would have more political ammo to get these awful so called assault weapons banned. Have no fear Rob and Sannity, the committee should just send in pit bull Senator Luger to investigate and uncover any wrong doing. And when he doesn't uncover anything and it all blows over after the election then just hope the issue will have kept nippin at Obamas heels and this freakin affirmative action socialist hack along with his minions will have bitten the electoral dust as I know they will.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Leftist meltdown is in full progress. The use of "Executive Priviledge" is a desperation move as all of Obamas actions are, including the "Executive Order" that gives illegal aliens cover and contradicts the law of the land. Just wait till next Thursday when the Supremes destroy Obama's socialist agenda and healthcare bill because it is illegal also. Then just be patient and wait till January when Obama can no longer protect himself from the arm of the law, let alone protect his cronies.

The more Obama does in this vein, the more one can be confident his administration is desperate and depending on things like executive orders and executive priviledge to keep his presidency afloat and try and appear that there is nothing to see here in Leftist land.

Of course, when one understands Obama was raised by Socialist parents then one can understand why he had to bypass the Consitution in order to make Obamacare, a socialist medicine plan supported by forcing all Comrades, working or not, (citizen or not, I suppose!) into paying healthcare premiums into the State Healthcare fund and in using Executive orders, Putin style, in bypassing the law of the land when it suits his agenda and in appointing "Czars" over Government functional areas as is done in Communist governments.

Next year, the Left (and MSNBC) will cease to be a political force after all of Obama's miss-doings are exposed and he is discraced and the Democratic Party will return to the Clinton centralists genda and again be a good choice for Americans.

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LOL, and I am sure he could give a fuck less.

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~FR

After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10]

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And when Bush and co with their nazi-anti gun agenda sent guns across the border and they ended up in the hands of narco-terrorists, and people were killed, does that seem as unamerican to you? 

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They watched guns being bought illegally and stashed on a daily basis, while their supervisors, including David Voth and Hope MacAllister, prevented the agents from intervening.[3]