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Musicmystery -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 9:43:42 PM)
quote: And you believe Romney would be leaping to ever greater armloads of expanded executive power because...., Muse? I thought we were talking about military campaigns? All your examples were those. But do I think he would use expanded executive power? Of course. And so will the next one, and the next one, and the next one. It's what presidents do. That's why we started checking that power with Nixon. That's why Cheney's campaign to bring it back in the last administration was a bad idea. quote: Though I'm certain you would notice, and possibly even give a shit if he did, because he has the wrong letter by his name. Stop wasting our mutual time with silly shit like this.

Musicmystery -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 9:45:37 PM)
quote: For Conservatives to be hypocrites re "make war not love, man" on the scale of certain leftists... over Obamas wars, and assassinations, and aggressions etc etc etc Dont you think Conservatives would have had to have been antiwar on the scale of certain leftists, specially in the eight years or so prior to Obamas election So if you're a more recent hypocrite, it's OK then. How is that different from flip-flopping?

Owner59 -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 9:50:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic And you believe Romney would be leaping to ever greater armloads of expanded executive power because...., Muse? Though I'm certain you would notice, and possibly even give a shit if he did, because he has the wrong letter by his name. So now you`ll show us all the posts of outrage you made when bush was grabbing more power? Projecting? Hypocrite. Romney....?..........LOL!!!!....what`s his policy on hunting/killing our enemies?.....Does he even have one? He just proved he`ll say and do ANYTHING.....even contradictory/opposite things.........to get elected...... Don`t take that out on us buddy.......it`s your party and your nominee.

TheHeretic -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 10:10:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I thought we were talking about military campaigns? All your examples were those. No, the last one was the DREAM act. Which, btw, he has said was all about politics, much to the dismay of a few posters here who were going to try and make a case for him. President Obama never held any power in his life, prior to being handed codes that will blow up the world, and the mantle of the Leader of the Free World. That can go to the head of an inexperienced young man with a history of overselling himself and his abilities, and when his response to obstacles is to reach out and grab even more power, all of us who value freedom would do well to take note of it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 10:12:59 PM)
Unlike other presidents, models of restraint. [8\|]

TheHeretic -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 10:34:08 PM)
What's the economy got to do with the death of Hope and Change then, Muse? If he's really just another, in a long line, then does how his handling the rest of the job justify another four years? Stagflation was so much fun last time, after all... Unless you can persuaded to switch to his new brand, Fear and Loathing, and forget all about what seemed to matter so much a few short years ago. Carter seems to remember.

Musicmystery -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/26/2012 10:38:25 PM)
You can't remember what you want to discuss from post to post. Star Search doesn't have this much tap dancing. I'm pretty sure you can surmise how a economy in full nose-dive would dampen expectations of a progressive social agenda. You aren't old enough to understand stagflation practically, and this isn't it.

Politesub53 -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 2:29:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Winterapple Except he did and he used it. During the election Ronald Reagan's started saying as President, the United States would not be paying "ransom for people who have been kidnapped by barbarians". And from the moment he became President Elect, Reagan began calling the American Embassy Hostages "Our Prisoners of War". And he meant it! Care to explain either how Reagan freed those capruered in Tehran then Fats ? Come to that, do you not think the arms for hostages was paying barbarians ?

Politesub53 -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 2:42:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: If Iran Contra didn't happen, would Iran have released to hostages 5 minutes after Reagan was inaugurated? I'm saying, you moron, that Iran-Contra happened years AFTER Carter, during Reagan's 2nd administration. And she was denying Reagan was the reason for the hostage crisis ending... So while I got the Iranian Contra mixed up, she got the Carter got the hostages released wrong...And you agreed she was right. Same goes for you Polite... the Iranians wouldn't negotiate with Carter, didn't you read the BBC link, old chap? Well brains......The Iranians didnt negotiate with Carter, they negotiated with his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, but tell me this, do you not think the dog would wag the tail ? You are correct that they didnt release the hostages until Reagan took office as a snub to Carter though.

Sanity -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 5:44:30 AM)
Do you even know what you are you going on about My primary issue is and has been with Obama through various means working to recklessy create voids of power and then walking away as they fill with Islamafascists of various degrees and alliances Far left supposed antiwar zealots used to chant, you broke it you own it with regard to Iraq Here, Obamas breaking everything and owning nothing, and the same leftists just smile and grin, which is the secondary issue. Obama out Bushes Bush with drone assassinations in sovereign nations (didnt leftists also chant something about "sovereign nation" while Bush was president), with him appointing himself judge jury and executioner... And again, you just smile and grin... To clarify for you because you are having such a difficult time wrapping your arms around this, it isnt that suspected terrorists are being hunted and killed, I support that. Few are more hawkish than I... My real issue is how leftists viciously used the war on terror as an excuse to try to destroy the previous president, and how today they so easily overlook things like Gitmo, and the Patriot Act, and the remote control assassination of an American citizen without so much as a warrant... The toppling of foreign leaders without a thought as to who or what extremists replace them, and so on Its your hypocrisy But you and yours cant quite understand any of that, can you quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery So if you're a more recent hypocrite, it's OK then. How is that different from flip-flopping?

Moonhead -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 6:45:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Do you even know what you are you going on about My primary issue is and has been with Obama through various means working to recklessy create voids of power and then walking away as they fill with Islamafascists of various degrees and alliances Far left supposed antiwar zealots used to chant, you broke it you own it with regard to Iraq Here, Obamas breaking everything and owning nothing, and the same leftists just smile and grin, which is the secondary issue. Obama out Bushes Bush with drone assassinations in sovereign nations (didnt leftists also chant something about "sovereign nation" while Bush was president), with him appointing himself judge jury and executioner... And again, you just smile and grin... To clarify for you because you are having such a difficult time wrapping your arms around this, it isnt that suspected terrorists are being hunted and killed, I support that. Few are more hawkish than I... My real issue is how leftists viciously used the war on terror as an excuse to try to destroy the previous president, and how today they so easily overlook things like Gitmo, and the Patriot Act, and the remote control assassination of an American citizen without so much as a warrant... The toppling of foreign leaders without a thought as to who or what extremists replace them, and so on Its your hypocrisy But you and yours cant quite understand any of that, can you quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery So if you're a more recent hypocrite, it's OK then. How is that different from flip-flopping? If it's their hypocrisy, why have you only started bitching about these goings on since a Kenyan Democrat was elected?

mnottertail -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:13:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic What's the economy got to do with him deciding the President has the power to launch a war against a soveriegn nation, without Congress saying so, as long as he does it by remote control? Or that due process of law for a death sentence, is a meeting in his offices? What's the economy got to do with him realizing Gitmo was best of bad options, and all the howling libs figuring it out at the same moment? What's the economy got to do with the idea he can overrule Congress on legislation he likes, and they don't? Since all are constitutional, and lawful, there is nothing wrong with it, apparently. And Gitmo is still wrong, and howling hysterical peri-menopausal drag queen neo-con or teabagger makes it right by spewing cretinous shit over and over.

Sanity -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:29:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead If it's their hypocrisy, why have you only started bitching about these goings on since a Kenyan Democrat was elected? What is it that you believe I am pointing out? [:D] I dont believe you (nor most leftists posting here) have even the dimmest understanding of my very clear and concise explanation.

mnottertail -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:31:05 AM)
No, we know tinfoil when we see it, and can dismiss it easily, while laughing at ideological cretinism.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:34:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Well brains......The Iranians didnt negotiate with Carter, they negotiated with his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, but tell me this, do you not think the dog would wag the tail ? You are correct that they didnt release the hostages until Reagan took office as a snub to Carter though. Do you think they were also negotiating with Reagan quietly while he was president elect (and possibly beforehand in anticipation of his victory in the general)?

Musicmystery -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:44:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity My real issue is how leftists viciously used the war on terror as an excuse to try to destroy the previous president So this is all about Bush. Again. quote: and how today they so easily overlook things like Gitmo, and the Patriot Act, and the remote control assassination of an American citizen without so much as a warrant... The toppling of foreign leaders without a thought as to who or what extremists replace them, and so on All things Bush did. If you're against them, then going after the previous president was appropriate--where were you? And if you're for those things--and apparently you are--then what's the problem? You're upset if people don't oppose things you want, just because the president is from the wrong party? It's hard to criticize a party while doing what you're criticizing. You also continue to see the world in left/right glasses, everyone thinking the same simplistic slogans you're feed by the media. Wake up and actually think about what you're saying.

Sanity -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:47:48 AM)
Again quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I dont believe you (nor most leftists posting here) have even the dimmest understanding of my very clear and concise explanation. However, you are all endlessly entertaining [8D]

Moonhead -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 7:53:19 AM)
So, no answer to MM's demolition of your clear and concise explanation, just snark and evasion as usual.

mnottertail -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 8:00:11 AM)
The rabid ratpoison right is proud to eschew intellectual endeavors.

Politesub53 -> RE: Carter Unloads On Obama (6/27/2012 10:37:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Well brains......The Iranians didnt negotiate with Carter, they negotiated with his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, but tell me this, do you not think the dog would wag the tail ? You are correct that they didnt release the hostages until Reagan took office as a snub to Carter though. Do you think they were also negotiating with Reagan quietly while he was president elect (and possibly beforehand in anticipation of his victory in the general)? Not really, since the deal was done before Reagan became President. Only Carter could have signed off on it. Anyhow Fats already assured us Reagan didnt cut deals with barbarians (laughable claim in light of future events)

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