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ORIGINAL: vincentML
It is not only Medicaid. State Insurance Exchanges will be established where Health Insurance Companies can and will compete for customers. A representative from Aetna was on CNBC this afternoon explaining that they have been working the past two years to tailor their offerings to be competitive in the new markets. Oh wait, competitive markets! That sorta blows away all the Socialism hysteria. Seems to me, Rob, you are arguing against a system that hasn't been built yet.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As consistent as any politician, regardless of what party. [;)]

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ORIGINAL: HouseOfDarkness

Well it seems its time to look at it now from a different angle. I now pay about 6 thousand a year for insurance, so if I drop it, then pay 2500 to get in the govt insurance,, I figure I just got a 3500 dollar a year raise

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As consistent as any politician, regardless of what party. [;)]

So much for the "hope and change" rainbows he shot out of his ass for you

Told ya so

Lots of hope and change. He managed to do what other Presidents failed to do.... Provide health care for a country while sitting back watching Republican heads explode.

When is Rush packing?

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ORIGINAL: domincharge

the strangest part of the right wings dislike of this act is that they say it will end up costing the poor money when they have to pay the irs for not having insurance. go read the act online. there is a very small penalty and it actually says that teh govt. is forbidden to attempt to collect it. so the only ones to be hurt by the act is the big insurance companies. dont beleive me? go online and read about it, become informed rather than believe the lies the right is spreading. or just be lazy and beleive the right...they are counting on us voting against our best inetrests. a sure sign this wont be liked by the right wingers here is how swiftly and personally they attack me. watch and learn people before it becomes too late.

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Let's see them make this pig swim now using the word tax. How can you tax someone for NOT buying something?

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The ACA is nothing more than a tax directed straight at the middle class. The poor get it free, the rich can afford to pay the fines, so we get whacked, and the Dems who voted for it have to stand by their decision.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Let's see them make this pig swim now using the word tax. How can you tax someone for NOT buying something?

A person who rents his home is not eligible for a mortgage deduction as a homeowner is. The renter is effectively taxed for not buying a home.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Let's see them make this pig swim now using the word tax. How can you tax someone for NOT buying something?

A person who rents his home is not eligible for a mortgage deduction as a homeowner is. The renter is effectively taxed for not buying a home.

I don't get the correlation.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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The ACA is nothing more than a tax directed straight at the middle class. The poor get it free, the rich can afford to pay the fines, so we get whacked, and the Dems who voted for it have to stand by their decision.

Oh yeh, a burdensome tax. Another lie.

Congress specifically did not allow the use of liens and seizures of property as methods of enforcing the penalty. Non-compliance with the mandate is also not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Tax Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay the penalty in a timely manner, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Let's see them make this pig swim now using the word tax. How can you tax someone for NOT buying something?

A person who rents his home is not eligible for a mortgage deduction as a homeowner is. The renter is effectively taxed for not buying a home.

I don't get the correlation.

A person who does not buy a house pays a higher effective tax. Seems pretty clear. A deduction denied is a tax imposed.

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ORIGINAL: domincharge

medicaid is pretty shitty? I have medicaid. it pays for every doctors visit totally. it pays for every prescription totally. I dont have to wait to get into a doctor. I have to assume you dont have medicaid.....it is really pretty good. unless you are a rightwinger or for the insurance companies. why are we as a people supporting the rich insurance companies that restricted our coverage and even denied us coverage. 30 million people dont have insurance and cannot afford to see a doctor. why is that a good thing for us?

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

If we somehow survived Brown vs Board Of Education we'll survive this.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Obama said "Health Care Should "Never Be Purchased With Tax Increases On Middle Class Families.""

Not only that but he promised he wouldnt raise taxes generally nor tax us in this way specifically

But since when were leftists like Obama ever consistent in the things they say and do

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unfortunately, this also means that Romney "raised taxes" in Massachusetts, despite his claim to the contrary, by implementing a health care mandate there.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ten years from now, you'll slaughter any politician who dares touch your health care.

I grow broccoli. Want some?

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The ACA is nothing more than a tax directed straight at the middle class. The poor get it free, the rich can afford to pay the fines, so we get whacked, and the Dems who voted for it have to stand by their decision.

Oh yeh, a burdensome tax. Another lie.

Congress specifically did not allow the use of liens and seizures of property as methods of enforcing the penalty. Non-compliance with the mandate is also not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Tax Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay the penalty in a timely manner, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

Vincent....just for the sake of fair argument....let's do the math....okay?

The government can't penalize those (individuals) that don't conform....right?

But it's a federal mandate that all must comply....correct? (By the way, the correct answer to both of the above is "yes").

Okay....now that that's out of the way....we have, let's just say for the sake of argument, 10 million folks who refuse to comply.

Right?

Could be 5 million, could be 30 million....could be 8 guys waiting for you to pick them up at the Home Depot for a day job...the number is truly irrelevant.

Sooooo....the feds can't penalize an individual for non compliance. But SCOTUS said they could "tax"......stay with me.....

Now, the feds can't legally "tax" an individual (that would be a "penalty", specifically prohibited by the Supreme Court).

With me so far?

Let's continue.

Sooooooo....if the feds can't "penalize" (or lien, etc.) an individual for non compliance but.....they can "tax" for non compliance....and I'm just spit balling here.....

What do you think the chances are that YOUR taxes are going to go up because the SUPREME COURT today deemed into law that they now can?????

The Prez no longer needs Congress to raise taxes (as per THIS issue). More, thanks to this new mandate WILL follow.

It's now a federal law that he (The Prez) not only can, but because there are NO OTHER LEGAL AVENUES TO RAISE THE REVENUES TO PAY FOR SAME....The Prez now has a single signing option to raise your taxes across the board, and in fact, by federal Supreme Court rulings....HE MUST.

PERIOD.

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Rush is a moron.

He's not a moron because he's a Republican.

He's just a fucking moron.