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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 2:24:39 AM   
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The way I see it is not all states need to sign on. The early adopters will be testing the waters. If ObamaCare works, it will put pressure on the other states to opt in.


It does work, its called the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Ever heard of that place? One of the thirteen. Place that has a town where the 'shot heard around the world' came from. Yeah, that state. It covers 98.1% of its citizens and costs LESS than it does for snow removal last year. The states most against the ACA (or a version that is better) are the ones that would benefit from it the most. Both in the immediate and long term. So if your 'ok' with double digit increases to your employeer's costs for health coverage of yourself.....rally against the ACA (and show all the rest of us just how badly your wisdom modifier is in the negative).

Have you actually read the ACA from front to back? Or were you told how and what to think by the GOP's misinformation machines?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 2:59:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		It amazes me that once again thesouthern welfare states are sucking on the liberal tit and thinking they are getting screwed. The fact is states like CT and NY and CA have few uninsured while Perry's tx has the worst care and the highest rate of uninsured in the nation. He is refusing to take our money LOLOLOL. I do find it odd the state with tort reform has the worst care and highest rate of uninsured.............guess that is more swill suckers buy

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 7:01:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		joether you didn't read what I wrote. That one state may be said to be a success story is not the same as to say ten states may be said to be a success story.

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The way I see it is not all states need to sign on. The early adopters will be testing the waters. If ObamaCare works, it will put pressure on the other states to opt in.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 11:01:26 AM   
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joether you didn't read what I wrote. That one state may be said to be a success story is not the same as to say ten states may be said to be a success story.

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The way I see it is not all states need to sign on. The early adopters will be testing the waters. If ObamaCare works, it will put pressure on the other states to opt in.



Well then, if it takes a number of states to support a concept, than gay marriage and DOMA (state-side) should be insititutionalized within the USA at the same time. As both have 'more than a few' states that support them. You asked for a location where the concept of the ACA works, I gave you one. Its not my fault that your not happy with the reply, but it is a valid reply none the less.

BTW, there is no such think as 'Obamacare' on the law books. You *are* wishing things to be offical before trying something, right?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 11:39:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your analogy is a poor one. Though ObamaCare is a highly ideologically charged topic it is considerably more technical than gay marriage.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 2:19:40 PM   
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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 5:37:40 PM   
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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 5:43:15 PM   
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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 5:45:56 PM   
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Narcissus in Greek mythology was a hunter from the territory of Thespiae in Boeotia who was renowned for his beauty. He was exceptionally proud, in that he disdained those who loved him. Nemesis saw this and attracted Narcissus to a pool where he saw his own reflection in the water and fell in love with it, not realizing it was merely an image. Unable to leave the beauty of his reflection, Narcissus died.


And he was changed into a flower thus being immortalized. What's your point?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 5:56:50 PM   
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Should we embrace this New World Order? Funny that it was Bush the elder who spoke of a New World Order. It is entirely possible that we have been played. That we cannot trust either party. They both lie.

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Should we embrace this New World Order? Funny that it was Bush the elder who spoke of a New World Order. It is entirely possible that we have been played. That we cannot trust either party. They both lie.


Anyone that doubts this in 2012, is either in denial or just stupid.

I didn't vote in the last Presidential election because I couldn't in clear conscience elect Obama or McCain. But, I thought to myself, it might be good to have an African-american President, (at least 1/2) because it would possibly do some healing for our African-American brothers and sisters who have felt disenfranchised for so long. I always felt his promises of "Change" were ambiguous at best, but I tried to remain optimistic.

Then when he got in and immediately started appointing Goldman Sachs people into his administration, I knew for sure he was pure talk.

My list of reasons for detesting McCain could make a book. And again, with Romney I feel pretty much the same way.

The derivatives market is probably the most obvious reason I could point to that would be a prime basis for rejecting the New World Order. When it melts down it will make the Housing crash seem like a speed bump. The entire world's GDP is 1/30th the size of the derivatives bubble. So if it crashes, basically if we all worked for 30 years globally, we might be able to pay it off, barring interest.

At this point, I think the only way to turn the boat around really would be for all of the world governments to come together and agree to forgive all debts on a particular date, and anything a person owns at that point is their's. After the date, you reset the clock. Anything else is pretty much a patch on more patches.

Alternately, we leave the global view and constrain markets back to national economies. The biggest problem we have now is that with all economies intertwined, when one crashes it affects all others.

Iceland finally took a stand against the bankers and the government, and it has gotten very little press. Almost none in fact. But they fired the whole government, replaced it, and kicked the central bankers out. The central bankers then demanded payment from the people on the debts the government incurred, and they refused. Interpol got involved and a lot of people went to jail. They are recovering nicely as I understand it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/iceland-the-broken-economy-that-got-out-of-jail-2349905.html

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:00:10 PM   
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Why is that OWS is getting such a bad rap from righties and the main stream media?

Must be cuz they`re part of the new world odor too.....

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:05:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you think the main stream media is right biased? I'd say the main stream media has a strong liberal slant.

But I think the bad rap about the OWS movement is the same rap that is used on anyone who generally questions authority. It's the standard rug authority uses to sweep anyone who doesn't want to go with the program under.

I didn't necessarily agree with some of what the OWS had to say, but I thought it was an extremely healthy exercise in the freedom of speech, the right to assemble, etc. and I thought it was a great demonstration that it's time we come together and get some better ideas on the table.

If that's your house on your profile it's awesome...btw.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:16:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		It`s bias is toward corporate America and profit.....the news and the boring old truth be dammed.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:22:20 PM   
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Do you think the main stream media is right biased? I'd say the main stream media has a strong liberal slant.

Imho, that's impossible to assess meaningfully without first defining the MSM. Does it include Fox? Rush Limbaugh?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:22:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have a problem with profit, if it's made through hard work and innovation. But I rarely look to media for truth, there is too much spin in either direction to rely on it. I think media should be obligated to simply state the facts without the spin and allow us all to draw our own conclusions from it, rather than telling us how we should think or feel about the facts.

There is definitely a bias to push whatever agenda is in order, and most often it's the agenda of those who have the income to be "in the club" so to speak. But that's true regardless of political affiliation.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:24:45 PM   
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Do you think the main stream media is right biased? I'd say the main stream media has a strong liberal slant.

Imho, that's impossible to assess meaningfully without first defining the MSM. Does it include Fox? Rush Limbaugh?

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Imho, that's impossible to assess meaningfully without first defining the MSM. Does it include Fox? Rush Limbaugh?


I guess Fox would be included, and they are certainly biased toward the right. But Fox is one voice amid the vast sea of the ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN crowd.

Rush Limbaugh is an opinionated dinosaur with a brain scrambled by prescription drugs. I consider him more a court jester.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:25:49 PM   
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I`ll explain with a question.

Does sean hanity mention the news black panthers during every report on the Martin killing to enlighten or to get higher ratings.....ie. more profits....more money?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:48:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, again, we are talking Fox, and Hannity is another person I don't think much of. He reminds me of the pretentious frat boys I used to love to kick the crap out of when we would crash their parties back in the day.

As to why he does what he does, I have no doubt he likes to stir the turd for ratings. It happens in the liberal media as well, for example at the debates when they give Ron Paul 23 seconds to speak out of two hours or throw some off topic curve ball into the interview so that the important facts never get stated. Do they do it for ratings? Do they do it out of spite? Do they do it because he doesn't represent corporate interests? All of the above? Whether you like some one or not, in a debate, you should give everyone the opportunity to speak equally. Let the listeners draw their conclusions from it.

I'll go back to my original stance, I think the media should remove the spin from their reporting, and just state the facts, who, what, where, when, why and how.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 6:53:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing I do know for sure, and that is if we don't start pulling together and communicating without the mudslinging, we're going to see our nation go away. The beauty of the U.S. has always been the diversity and the liberty to express it. I lean towards conservatism when it comes to a great many subjects, but I'm also very liberal when it comes to others. I was a democrat when I was a younger man, and a republican until I felt the party lost sight of many of its core values. I've always had close friends who leaned in both directions or walked the middle path like I do. We don't always agree, but then we don't need to.

The internal strife we have going on is worse on our culture than any external threat we face. And we need to get beyond it.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/14/2012 7:54:09 PM   
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Narcissus in Greek mythology was a hunter from the territory of Thespiae in Boeotia who was renowned for his beauty. He was exceptionally proud, in that he disdained those who loved him. Nemesis saw this and attracted Narcissus to a pool where he saw his own reflection in the water and fell in love with it, not realizing it was merely an image. Unable to leave the beauty of his reflection, Narcissus died.


And he was changed into a flower thus being immortalized. What's your point?

Context. Next time, pay attention in class.

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