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Hillwilliam -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 1:06:49 PM)

To answer Bama and Owner. I can't find a list of states where it's legal and not legal but it is definitely legal in TX where this happened and TN where I live.




Nosathro -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 1:15:05 PM)

Well if you want to go that route

http://www.fbi.gov/minneapolis/press-releases/2011/bismarck-man-pleads-guilty-to-bank-larceny
http://www.fbi.gov/neworleans/press-releases/2010/no032610c.htm
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/17853263/chicagos-most-wanted-bank-larceny-suspect
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ore-man-pleads-guilty-theft-scheme

Father, Son Held In Robbery

November 7, 2000

TAMPA -- A German father and son are being held on charges they were part of a $3.5 million burglary at a Brinks warehouse in Fort Myers, the FBI said Monday. Agents say they have recovered nearly $1.4 million of money they suspect was taken in the September theft in three safe deposit boxes at First American Bank of Texas in Austin. Paul Simecek, 52, and his son Bohdan Simecek, 28, are being held in Hannover, Germany. They are charged with conspiracy to commit bank larceny, conspiracy to possess moneys obtained from bank larceny and possessing stolen money that has crossed U.S. boundaries.

http://articles.herald-mail.com/2006-03-02/news/25042048_1_theft-ring-sovereign-bank-atm-robbery Opps this one is from an ATM
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Worcester+Man+Pleads+Guilty+to+Bank+Larceny,+Reports+U.S.+Attorney.-a079861985, gee my home town too
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-168797401.html





Hillwilliam -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 1:29:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Well if you want to go that route

http://www.fbi.gov/minneapolis/press-releases/2011/bismarck-man-pleads-guilty-to-bank-larceny
http://www.fbi.gov/neworleans/press-releases/2010/no032610c.htm
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/17853263/chicagos-most-wanted-bank-larceny-suspect
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ore-man-pleads-guilty-theft-scheme

Father, Son Held In Robbery

November 7, 2000

TAMPA -- A German father and son are being held on charges they were part of a $3.5 million burglary at a Brinks warehouse in Fort Myers, the FBI said Monday. Agents say they have recovered nearly $1.4 million of money they suspect was taken in the September theft in three safe deposit boxes at First American Bank of Texas in Austin. Paul Simecek, 52, and his son Bohdan Simecek, 28, are being held in Hannover, Germany. They are charged with conspiracy to commit bank larceny, conspiracy to possess moneys obtained from bank larceny and possessing stolen money that has crossed U.S. boundaries.

http://articles.herald-mail.com/2006-03-02/news/25042048_1_theft-ring-sovereign-bank-atm-robbery Opps this one is from an ATM
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Worcester+Man+Pleads+Guilty+to+Bank+Larceny,+Reports+U.S.+Attorney.-a079861985, gee my home town too
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-168797401.html



I read them. EVERY single one of them was theft from a bank. Not theft from an individual via stolen checks.

I specifically said "clean out your account"
You claimed "The local police have no jurisdiction when it comes to bank fraud, it is the FBI who does."
This is incorrect. When someone steals checks and thus money from an individual, the local PD investigates.
According to your links, the FBI investigates when someone steals funds from the bank.

Again, you claim to have studied criminal justice but you don't know the difference between robbing a bank and forging an individual's check?[8|]

If the local PD has no jurisdiction, then why are they making all those arrests that I documented?

Face it, you fucked up. Deal with it like a big boy.




Nosathro -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 2:15:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Well if you want to go that route

http://www.fbi.gov/minneapolis/press-releases/2011/bismarck-man-pleads-guilty-to-bank-larceny
http://www.fbi.gov/neworleans/press-releases/2010/no032610c.htm
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/17853263/chicagos-most-wanted-bank-larceny-suspect
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ore-man-pleads-guilty-theft-scheme

Father, Son Held In Robbery

November 7, 2000

TAMPA -- A German father and son are being held on charges they were part of a $3.5 million burglary at a Brinks warehouse in Fort Myers, the FBI said Monday. Agents say they have recovered nearly $1.4 million of money they suspect was taken in the September theft in three safe deposit boxes at First American Bank of Texas in Austin. Paul Simecek, 52, and his son Bohdan Simecek, 28, are being held in Hannover, Germany. They are charged with conspiracy to commit bank larceny, conspiracy to possess moneys obtained from bank larceny and possessing stolen money that has crossed U.S. boundaries.

http://articles.herald-mail.com/2006-03-02/news/25042048_1_theft-ring-sovereign-bank-atm-robbery Opps this one is from an ATM
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Worcester+Man+Pleads+Guilty+to+Bank+Larceny,+Reports+U.S.+Attorney.-a079861985, gee my home town too
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-168797401.html



I read them. EVERY single one of them was theft from a bank. Not theft from an individual via stolen checks.

I specifically said "clean out your account"
You claimed "The local police have no jurisdiction when it comes to bank fraud, it is the FBI who does."
This is incorrect. When someone steals checks and thus money from an individual, the local PD investigates.
According to your links, the FBI investigates when someone steals funds from the bank.

Again, you claim to have studied criminal justice but you don't know the difference between robbing a bank and forging an individual's check?[8|]

If the local PD has no jurisdiction, then why are they making all those arrests that I documented?

Face it, you fucked up. Deal with it like a big boy.



Really you read them, you mean you can read....funny a lot of them say Larceny, okay one was a ATM.[:D] Jurisdiction is different from arrest, I sugguset you try the dictionary. Any person wanted for a crime comminted with the United States can be arrested by anyperson, citizen arrest or by anyone duly authorized to make an arrest, ie local police, State Police, FBI. There are incidents were there is dual jurisdiction and at time the Department of Justice will wavie their jurisdiction, this happens at all levels. I did not fuck up, you are simply venting your anger inappropriately, due to your feeling of helplessness and weak ego structure over you friends incident, in short you are immature. I think an anger management class could help you.[sm=boohoo.gif]




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 3:00:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Cops would rather do this: http://gma.yahoo.com/texas-woman-arrested-warning-drivers-speed-trap-160551293--abc-news-topstories.html
than go after people who sayyyyyyyyyyyyy clean out your bank account fraudulently.

ED to fix the link.


The local police have no jurisdiction when it comes to bank fraud, it is the FBI who does.

quote:

Any person wanted for a crime comminted with the United States can be arrested by anyperson, citizen arrest or by anyone duly authorized to make an arrest, ie local police, State Police, FBI. There are incidents were there is dual jurisdiction and at time the Department of Justice will wavie their jurisdiction, this happens at all levels. I did not fuck up, you are simply venting your anger inappropriately, due to your feeling of helplessness and weak ego structure over you friends incident, in short you are immature. I think an


Someone fucked up, that is for sure.

It took me less than one minute on Google to find several .gov sites that say report check theft and forgery to local cops.

Seriously, you wanna claim to be an honorable gorean and you refuse to just say "Man, I fucked up."?




thompsonx -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 3:36:21 PM)

quote:

if a person is speeding, then why should i be their saviour when they made a concious decision to speed knowing the possible consequences?


Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with what a "speed trap" is your attitude might be a little less self absorbed.




BamaD -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 4:13:54 PM)

If it is legal in TX they should not have arrested her. I just know about three of the places I have lived.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 4:25:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

If it is legal in TX they should not have arrested her. I just know about three of the places I have lived.

She was arrested for "Standing in the street when a sidewalk was available"




Hillwilliam -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 4:31:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Really you read them, you mean you can read....funny a lot of them say Larceny, okay one was a ATM.[:D] Jurisdiction is different from arrest, I sugguset you try the dictionary. Any person wanted for a crime comminted with the United States can be arrested by anyperson, citizen arrest or by anyone duly authorized to make an arrest, ie local police, State Police, FBI. There are incidents were there is dual jurisdiction and at time the Department of Justice will wavie their jurisdiction, this happens at all levels. I did not fuck up, you are simply venting your anger inappropriately, due to your feeling of helplessness and weak ego structure over you friends incident, in short you are immature. I think an anger management class could help you.[sm=boohoo.gif]

Yes, I read them. Every one of your links referred to someone robbing a bank, not an individual.

I'm not angry. You cannot know that I'm angry because if you did know what was happening inside my mind, I daresay you would be incapable on comprehending it. How can I be venting anger? I'm just appalled at the level of ignorance displayed.

Bottom line is this. You said "The local police have no jurisdiction when it comes to bank fraud, it is the FBI who does. "

#1. I wasn't talking about Bank Fraud. I was referring to forgery. You didn't even know what I was talking about.

#2. I showed you were incorrect. Deal with it boy. You fucked up. Own it. A better idea would be "Learn From It"

I'll requote you. "The local police have no jurisdiction when it comes to bank fraud, it is the FBI who does. "


If you look at your most recent post, you say that everyone has jurisdiction. Make up your mind boy.
Now, go back to your Zimmerman thread circlejerk like a good boy.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 4:34:27 PM)

ED for doublepost




tj444 -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 5:46:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

if a person is speeding, then why should i be their saviour when they made a concious decision to speed knowing the possible consequences?


Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with what a "speed trap" is your attitude might be a little less self absorbed.

I know what speed traps are and if some chick wants to warn speeders and gets into trouble for it, it was her choice to do so, just as it is a speeders choice to speed.. its the cops job to catch people that think they can get away with stuff like that..




tj444 -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 5:53:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

One of the reasons I posted this is that one of our members (who I usually disagree with btw) is having a hell of a time. Some chick stole his checks and cleaned out his bank account. He knows where she lives and has pointed this out to the cops and 2 weeks later, "they're looking into it".

ok, I am curious to know how some chick was able to steal his checks.. did she break in? was she a one night stand and saw his checks laying about? or was she house sitting for him while he was away? how did she get her hands on them?




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 6:51:41 PM)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4145943/mpage_1/tm.htm
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ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

One of the reasons I posted this is that one of our members (who I usually disagree with btw) is having a hell of a time. Some chick stole his checks and cleaned out his bank account. He knows where she lives and has pointed this out to the cops and 2 weeks later, "they're looking into it".

ok, I am curious to know how some chick was able to steal his checks.. did she break in? was she a one night stand and saw his checks laying about? or was she house sitting for him while he was away? how did she get her hands on them?





imdmb -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 6:55:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

if a person is speeding, then why should i be their saviour when they made a concious decision to speed knowing the possible consequences?


Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with what a "speed trap" is your attitude might be a little less self absorbed.

I know what speed traps are and if some chick wants to warn speeders and gets into trouble for it, it was her choice to do so, just as it is a speeders choice to speed.. its the cops job to catch people that think they can get away with stuff like that..


but, speeding is illegal and what she did was not, they had to make up a charge about not using a sidewalk which is either the truth or it isnt, she maintains she stayed on the sidewalk, the cops maintain she did not, either way she was not arrested for warning about the speed trap because it was not illegal to do so




tj444 -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 9:06:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: imdmb

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

if a person is speeding, then why should i be their saviour when they made a concious decision to speed knowing the possible consequences?


Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with what a "speed trap" is your attitude might be a little less self absorbed.

I know what speed traps are and if some chick wants to warn speeders and gets into trouble for it, it was her choice to do so, just as it is a speeders choice to speed.. its the cops job to catch people that think they can get away with stuff like that..


but, speeding is illegal and what she did was not, they had to make up a charge about not using a sidewalk which is either the truth or it isnt, she maintains she stayed on the sidewalk, the cops maintain she did not, either way she was not arrested for warning about the speed trap because it was not illegal to do so

that may be so but i said back in my first post,.. if ya piss into the wind, yer gonna get some on ya.. thats what she did.. It was always a possible consequence that they would come after her for something, real or imagined.. like I said, not a fight I would take up to save a few speeders fines for their decision to speed..

On the bright side,.. she just got her 15 minutes of fame!.. [:D]




tj444 -> RE: Going after criminals. (6/29/2012 9:12:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4145943/mpage_1/tm.htm

thanks, I missed that thread, not here enough I guess.. [:D]




thompsonx -> RE: Going after criminals. (7/3/2012 10:07:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

if a person is speeding, then why should i be their saviour when they made a concious decision to speed knowing the possible consequences?


Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with what a "speed trap" is your attitude might be a little less self absorbed.

I know what speed traps are and if some chick wants to warn speeders and gets into trouble for it, it was her choice to do so, just as it is a speeders choice to speed.. its the cops job to catch people that think they can get away with stuff like that..



Clearly you do not know what a speed trap is or why they are illegal in many jurisdictions.




imdmb -> RE: Going after criminals. (7/3/2012 10:16:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Clearly you do not know what a speed trap is or why they are illegal in many jurisdictions.


wait, speed traps are illegal in some places? nowhere ive ever been. learn something new every day [:D]




thompsonx -> RE: Going after criminals. (7/4/2012 9:11:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: imdmb


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Clearly you do not know what a speed trap is or why they are illegal in many jurisdictions.


wait, speed traps are illegal in some places? nowhere ive ever been. learn something new every day [:D]



Google can be your friend also.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Going after criminals. (7/4/2012 9:16:46 AM)

Speed traps can also cause a town to lose its charter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacienda_Village




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