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fetisheden -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 5:48:37 PM)

that was just way too long & i have a slave waiting, so i will make this brief.

get a hobby.

you should never have to chase after a man.that is HIS role & even if you do catch him, he will always resent you for it




kalikshama -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 6:12:00 PM)

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And when someone explains to me the relationship between dating and fucking I will be happier. Becuase I swear, there is no timetable other than 'when you both feel like it'.


Do Dommes run into sub men who lose respect for them if they put out "too soon" or is this a vanilla/Dom phenomenon?




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 6:32:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Do Dommes run into sub men who lose respect for them if they put out "too soon" or is this a vanilla/Dom phenomenon?

I'm not sure. I've never put out sex right away. But I did have one sub just never communicate with me again after I didn't put out at a first meeting. lol No big loss there.

NBMG




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 7:00:18 PM)

That whole "lose respect" thing slays me. That anyone would mention it, and on a kink site no less, shows how little progress we have really made recognizing women as sexual beings.

I will be honest, and say that I have only had sex with one submissive partner---and yanno? He praised me for holding out! He was also 15 years older than me, so perhaps that played in. I was bemused by the remark, anyway. We did what I wanted to do, when I wanted to do it. Seems normal to me. [8|]

When I was having sex, I pretty much chose the candidate that interested me, and he pretty much said yes. My tastes run to other dominants, generally. I am reasonably that they respected me. My FB was submissive, and I suspect that he would be very happy to see me if I showed up on his doorstep. I'm not sorry that I gave up sportfucking, it was the right thing for me to do, but it was just FUCKING. Is that somehow a shameful thing? We're supposed to get naked and give each other PAIN but not have sex?

How was the OP's scenario supposed to play out? Don't most dominant men expect some kind of sexual favours?




kalikshama -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 7:25:14 PM)

I know that I'm not long term compatible with guys who think women who have sex quickly are not relationship material and don't care if I find this out after sport fucking. Generally, I don't get emotionally invested until after regular sex. (Two long distance relationships were exceptions and didn't end as I'd hoped.)

But because of all these Disappearing Dom threads we get I encourage questioning noob women to take it slowly. I don't play by The Rules but many men do seem to want this (despite all their claims to the contrary.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rules

Proponents of the methods offered in the book point to The Rules as having positive results for both men and women. They represent the point of view that men enjoy being the aggressor and are inspired to treat women better who choose behaviors which set up boundaries and slow down the courtship process.[8] Advocates also elucidate that a woman making herself easily available to men may increase her chances of being unconsciously or unscrupulously taken advantage of or abused. By applying a deliberate approach to relationships, Rules champions suggest, a woman has the time and space to discover and reflect upon the character and actions of a man she is dating.




Baroana -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 7:26:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana


Sounds like you got off on the right foot. Skip the getting to know each other, and base your new relationship on awkward sex.




Can I quote you on that?


Long as I get my royalties.




kalikshama -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 7:26:49 PM)

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how little progress we have really made recognizing women as sexual beings.


As Rush Limbaugh and Republican legislatures have amply demonstrated.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 7:31:22 PM)

I had this picture of myself as being not a sexually dominant person, but I came to see that as utter nonsense. I see, I choose, I pursue. How would anything HAPPEN otherwise? That doesn't mean that I say hello and go for the Useful Bits, when I am actually interested in a person I take a very long time indeed. But I have always made the first move, even if that move was just to express interest and leave it at that.

Not interested in helping the patriarchy with anyone's rulebook, kthx.




littlewonder -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 8:15:46 PM)

Darlin, it's simple. He tried to have his way with you the first few days. You didn't put out for whatever reason. After that he was bored and went online searching for his next victim....I mean sub. He ignored you because it's easier for you to just go away if they give you the silent treatment. Take it as a non compatibility issue and move on. It's extremely common.

Next time meet at a coffee shop, get your own hotel room and you don't have to let him know where it's at. You take your time and get to know the person before you decide to put out or even think about putting out unless that's all you're looking for.

ETA: The first night I met Master I admit I wanted to have sex with him but I never really thought much would come of us. Figured it was just a one time thing and I'd never hear from him again anyway. But that night he pushed me away. He wanted to wait. We're both kinda old fashioned in that respect I guess....taking our time to get to know each other if we both feel we want more from each other than just casual sex. For me, if a guy wanted to have casual sex with me, I was all for it, but he wouldn't be someone I would ever see again because I admit, I would not respect him...he was just a toy for the night. Hell, most of the time I never even knew their name. So I can understand the same of men seeing women in the same way.




littlewonder -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 8:31:36 PM)

Ok, so I just read your other post on another thread and it seems you jump quickly from one relationship to another and with much older men. I'm guessing you have some unresolved issues you need to deal with. I would advise not getting involved with anyone at all until you figure this out and work on fixing it.




bashfulbyte -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 9:26:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Ok, so I just read your other post on another thread and it seems you jump quickly from one relationship to another and with much older men. I'm guessing you have some unresolved issues you need to deal with. I would advise not getting involved with anyone at all until you figure this out and work on fixing it.



The relationship you are referring to from another thread ended October last year and I have not been with anyone since other than the man in this post. I have "talked to" many in between and had coffe/lunch/dinner but not decided to move forward with one untill I met this gentleman and fell for him. He is 49 although his profile said 45. I don't think there is anything wrong with an age gap. There are certain traits, more common to older men than younger, that I make a priority in a potential partner. I have my reasons for appreciating older men as well as understand the trade-offs involved; there is nothing wrong with me for it. There is also nothing wrong with me for not letting bad experiences make me close myself off and stop searching. I take the bad as learning experiences and hopelessly believe that, by improving, it will be better the next time.


After listening to the helpful adivse in this thread I can see some places I went wrong and other things I need to improve on. Next time, I will communicate that I will need a couple days just to get to know him in person because regardless of how close I feel to him on the phone I am much too bashful to go full steam ahead the first time I am in someone's presence. I have no doubt that I bruised his ego and it could have been avoided. Myself, could use lots of improvement in the communication department because I've never been good with words and speaking. He was very good at reading me over the phone and I expected too much in that regard.

Otherwise, I did have a great vanilla week there with him and he was very kind to me and I thought we had a good time and enjoyed eachother's company. I did see some things in his interactions with others that hinted at some undesireable personality traits but it wasn't enough to judge how severe it was; I don't however expect anyone to be perfect. For instance, he used me to hurt a woman who he knew was in love with him. He told me she was coming over and it was because he wanted her to see me and "get the rumor mill" started. Shortly after coming to his home and meeting me, she professed her love for him and said that men taking up with younger women made her sick. He invited her and her sponsor to have icecream with us the next day. Afterwards, this woman called him and asked straight up "do you like [bashfulbyte] more than me?" And I watched him give her an evasive answer that wasn't an answer.. same as he did to me.... Then hang up the phone and tell me how undesireable she was. This really bothered me because I have been in that other woman's position; I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He did admit he is habitually incorrigable and likes to get people worked up.

Regardless of his motives I am apparently better off without someone who would do something as immature and cruel as the silent treatment or slow fade, much less be so frustrating as to be unable to answer questions directly. I think it speaks volumes about his ability to control himself and if he cannot master himself I should not let him master me. I have met this type of man before and it is true, they will never provide closure or admit wrong or apologize for anything.

My best revenge is to live well.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 9:41:22 PM)

You didnt just dodge a bullet, that was a whole mortar shell!




bashfulbyte -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 9:56:40 PM)

Is it also a better idea, if they are far away and invite me to come visit, that they pay for my way instead of myself? He brought up that I shold come visit and asked me if I was "worth it" and even looked up some flights and showed them to me. But I ended up feeling guilty about it when he mentioned money troubles in a later conversation and I offered to drive at my own expense. I now think that if I held him to it, it would have showed if he was serious or if it was just another one of his facetious things that went right over my head.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 9:59:03 PM)

ALWAYS PAY YOUR OWN WAY. Never be beholden to someone for that. If you accept their hospitality, be a good guest, but be responsible for your own transportation and exit strategy.




littlewonder -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 10:01:54 PM)

I dunno. I've always paid my own ways. Having him pay probably would have made it worse. He then would have expected you to put out and then been angry when you didn't because he spent money on you.

Be a responsible adult and take responsibility for yourself.




lizi -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 10:16:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bashfulbyte

The relationship you are referring to from another thread ended October last year and I have not been with anyone since other than the man in this post. I have "talked to" many in between and had coffe/lunch/dinner but not decided to move forward with one untill I met this gentleman and fell for him. He is 49 although his profile said 45. I don't think there is anything wrong with an age gap. There are certain traits, more common to older men than younger, that I make a priority in a potential partner. I have my reasons for appreciating older men as well as understand the trade-offs involved; there is nothing wrong with me for it. There is also nothing wrong with me for not letting bad experiences make me close myself off and stop searching. I take the bad as learning experiences and hopelessly believe that, by improving, it will be better the next time.


After listening to the helpful adivse in this thread I can see some places I went wrong and other things I need to improve on. Next time, I will communicate that I will need a couple days just to get to know him in person because regardless of how close I feel to him on the phone I am much too bashful to go full steam ahead the first time I am in someone's presence. I have no doubt that I bruised his ego and it could have been avoided. Myself, could use lots of improvement in the communication department because I've never been good with words and speaking. He was very good at reading me over the phone and I expected too much in that regard.

Otherwise, I did have a great vanilla week there with him and he was very kind to me and I thought we had a good time and enjoyed eachother's company. I did see some things in his interactions with others that hinted at some undesireable personality traits but it wasn't enough to judge how severe it was; I don't however expect anyone to be perfect. For instance, he used me to hurt a woman who he knew was in love with him. He told me she was coming over and it was because he wanted her to see me and "get the rumor mill" started. Shortly after coming to his home and meeting me, she professed her love for him and said that men taking up with younger women made her sick. He invited her and her sponsor to have icecream with us the next day. Afterwards, this woman called him and asked straight up "do you like [bashfulbyte] more than me?" And I watched him give her an evasive answer that wasn't an answer.. same as he did to me.... Then hang up the phone and tell me how undesireable she was. This really bothered me because I have been in that other woman's position; I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He did admit he is habitually incorrigable and likes to get people worked up.

Regardless of his motives I am apparently better off without someone who would do something as immature and cruel as the silent treatment or slow fade, much less be so frustrating as to be unable to answer questions directly. I think it speaks volumes about his ability to control himself and if he cannot master himself I should not let him master me. I have met this type of man before and it is true, they will never provide closure or admit wrong or apologize for anything.

My best revenge is to live well.


His actions from the quote above are juvenile and disgusting. I'm really glad you see them as negative. Can you imagine what he'd do you at some point down the line? Game playing is so immature, the fact that he not only seeks it out but instigates to make it happen is a huge red flag. Also, him evading answers so he doesn't close off any doors and how he puts people down in order to build himself up is just incomprehensible considering that he's almost 50. He's not going to change, this is obvious.

Thank goodness you found out now and can save yourself from getting more invested.




Winterapple -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 10:28:25 PM)

Always pay your own way and always know where the back door is.

He showed you his true face. What sort
of things do you think he's said to the
other woman about you? Not nice things
I'm thinking. It's never, ever a good sign
when a man says something derogatory
about a woman he's slept with to another
woman he's slept with.

I don't know what kind of closure or
ending you would seek to have with
a guy like that. Just be thankful it ended
and unlike the other woman you don't
have to worry about running into him
at the grocery store.

Did you say she and her sponsor came over?
Like an AA sponsor? Playing with the emotions
of someone white knuckling sobriety is
always fun.




bashfulbyte -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 10:49:33 PM)

Yes, AA sponsor. He knew her from meetings I think. I don't know if they were ever involved or not but he did acknowlege he knew she wanted to be with him... then made a remark about the only woman that didn't want to be with him was one who hadn't met him yet. I did not allow myself to consider him for more than friendship, because of the distance, until he started with the *waves a plane ticket* business. And asking me questions like, "You can make soap out here cant you?" "Theres a community college near here and because I am a disabled vet my wife and children would get free tuition" and that I should come out as a trial and see if we can stand to live with eachother... things like that. I would like to hear some Master's opinions on the paying your way or not. Of course I wouldn't demand it, but am questioning if I was wrong to take it upon myself in this instance, after it was his idea and he offered, because I felt some guilt for burdening him.




littlewonder -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 10:50:42 PM)

This just gets better and better lol.




sexyred1 -> RE: Being snubbed and not given a reason (6/29/2012 11:57:09 PM)

I don't get this. I would never drive 1300 miles to meet anyone.

Being shocked at how someone is different that you imagine from photos is all too common.

You should have very low expectations of meeting in person.

You gave mixed signals, he sounds shady and you should not be shocked at being snubbed from how this all went down.

You are 25; be smart next time and don't run to anyone. Make them come to you.




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