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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 7:00:35 PM   
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. I went to a party about a month ago and saw a pregnant woman not only smoking, but drinking as well.


Part of me sees the irony that in the 60's and 70's our mothers smoked and drank. Younger generations where those were considered taboo have higher incidences of ADD, ADHD, etc.

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Same story with the cursing in front of children. I've not only gotten a couple to stop cursing, but I convince them to stop spanking their children as well.


For the record, I'm a believer that sometimes children need to be spanked. (And before I'm questioned: Why, yes, I am qualified to say that. The large student loan and shiny framed degree says so).

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Realize*
Kitkat is an Aussie. The correct spelling in Australia and the UK is "realise". Might want to stop and think about that before correcting someone next time.


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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 7:10:01 PM   
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Tsk, I didn't say anything about people doing what I would do. Or about them standing up for the same things as me. I said you should stand up for what you DO believe in.

Hell, if you think clubbing baby seals is a good thing, I want you to stick with it!



You said "if you see something happenning that you CAN change, you should. If you don't, I have absolutely no respect for ya."

You expect that everyone will stand up and do something about things just as you would, or else you lose respect for them. There could be many, many reasons why people don't act in the manner you would like them to, and not all of them are deserving of complete loss of respect.

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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 7:22:25 PM   
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Tsk, I didn't say anything about people doing what I would do. Or about them standing up for the same things as me. I said you should stand up for what you DO believe in.

Hell, if you think clubbing baby seals is a good thing, I want you to stick with it!



You said "if you see something happenning that you CAN change, you should. If you don't, I have absolutely no respect for ya."

You expect that everyone will stand up and do something about things just as you would, or else you lose respect for them. There could be many, many reasons why people don't act in the manner you would like them to, and not all of them are deserving of complete loss of respect.


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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 8:12:42 PM   
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I wasn't really talking about global issues. I'm talking about little things.. A drunk friend trying to drive home. A pregnant woman smoking. A parent cursing at their children. A teenager kicking a dog. I wasn't really talking about the things you really can't affect, though for me personally I stand for every thing I believe in, no matter how big or small.


The drunk driver? Yeah, I'll stop them if I can only because my husband was killed by a drunk driver and their drunk driving doesn't affect just them and them alone.

A pregnant woman smoking? I will give her a snide look on my face but I wouldn't do anything else. Anything else would be a waste of my time. She's not going to stop just because I tell her to.

A parent cursing their child...again, I would just probably just walk away. I don't the cause of why she's cursing. Maybe she's had a bad day. Maybe her kid deserved it for doing something horrible. I admit when my daughter was a kid, there were times I cursed at her for both of those reasons. She's turned out to be a better person than adults I know in their 40's and 50's.

Someone kicking a dog? I'd call the police and let them handle it. I've tried to intervene before when it comes to something like this and got bitten by the dog and the person kicking me and telling me off. I now let others who have such authority to take care of the problem.


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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 8:13:42 PM   
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Holy crap, I just noticed your sig line! *tee hee!!!*

BTW...I like the bra in your avatar. Is that you? Damn...I need to go bra shopping.



Yes, thank you - it's me and my bra. :)


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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 8:40:51 PM   
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Holy crap, I just noticed your sig line! *tee hee!!!*

BTW...I like the bra in your avatar. Is that you? Damn...I need to go bra shopping.



Yes, thank you - it's me and my bra. :)




The title of your biography! I call it a win. ;)

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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 8:55:49 PM   
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Kitkat is an Aussie. The correct spelling in Australia and the UK is "realise".

Apologies.

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The drunk driver? Yeah, I'll stop them if I can only because my husband was killed by a drunk driver and their drunk driving doesn't affect just them and them alone.

A pregnant woman smoking? I will give her a snide look on my face but I wouldn't do anything else. Anything else would be a waste of my time. She's not going to stop just because I tell her to.

A parent cursing their child...again, I would just probably just walk away. I don't the cause of why she's cursing. Maybe she's had a bad day. Maybe her kid deserved it for doing something horrible. I admit when my daughter was a kid, there were times I cursed at her for both of those reasons. She's turned out to be a better person than adults I know in their 40's and 50's.

Someone kicking a dog? I'd call the police and let them handle it. I've tried to intervene before when it comes to something like this and got bitten by the dog and the person kicking me and telling me off. I now let others who have such authority to take care of the problem.


I wasn't really asking for your opinion for every one of those examples, but thank you. (I understand that may sound bitchy- I want to make it clear I wasn't being bitchy at all there.) I was siting examples of the sort of thing I was originally talking about. I want people to stop being so complacent. I want people to form their own opinions and stick with them. If I'm doing something others don't agree with, I'd much rather they told me. Sure, everyone online will do that. In real life? Not so much.

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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 9:12:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: KaleidoKenlyn
. I went to a party about a month ago and saw a pregnant woman not only smoking, but drinking as well.


Part of me sees the irony that in the 60's and 70's our mothers smoked and drank. Younger generations where those were considered taboo have higher incidences of ADD, ADHD, etc.

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ORIGINAL: KaleidoKenlyn


Same story with the cursing in front of children. I've not only gotten a couple to stop cursing, but I convince them to stop spanking their children as well.


For the record, I'm a believer that sometimes children need to be spanked. (And before I'm questioned: Why, yes, I am qualified to say that. The large student loan and shiny framed degree says so).

And finally:
quote:

ORIGINAL: KaleidoKenlyn

Realize*
Kitkat is an Aussie. The correct spelling in Australia and the UK is "realise". Might want to stop and think about that before correcting someone next time.



Thank you OsideGirl.

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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 9:22:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cited each example to give you an idea on how my thought processes work. I pick and choose my battles and to be honest very very very few are really all that important to me and being the age I am, I've learned what you can and can't fight and what's worth it and what isn't.

I used to be an idealist like you at your age...I was a volunteer for Amnesty International, Greenpeace, stood in protests, went to the Capitol to talk to officials, etc...but ya know, the older I got and the more I did those things, the more I realized that I changed very very few things and when things did change it was because government officials were pushed into it from other governments and rarely the everyday man.

These days I don't do any of those things anymore. I find that many things they say they stand for I no longer promote because yeah there are some people I think that deserve the "heinous" acts that happen to them and I don't care how "human" they may be and I no longer believe every single animal on the planet is being tortured or should be saved and all that.

The older I get, the more knowledge I gain, the less and less idealistic I become. I have a feeling as you get older you'll for the most part have the same things happen to you. It's human nature. You'll eventually get worn out and tired and tell people to figure out their own fucking lives.


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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 9:46:53 PM   
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It all comes down to how you approach someone. It also helps when you have suggestions on how they should stop something or what they should be doing instead.


Actually, this all comes down to when you grow up and realize you don't know everything.

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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 9:56:20 PM   
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It all comes down to how you approach someone. It also helps when you have suggestions on how they should stop something or what they should be doing instead.


Actually, this all comes down to when you grow up and realize you don't know everything.


Wait, you mean you don't? Man, you just crashed my idyllic view of you.

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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 10:49:33 PM   
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There is a time when every "reasonable" person will rise up. There is a time when every "reasonable" person will take unreasonable action. To do anything else isn't human, nor is it right. To anyone who would choose inaction over taking a stand, in any small way, I must say:
You fucking cowards. You deserve everything you get in your life.


hahaha, how funny that I am reading this after your other thread about folks bitching about injustices and being owed.

ya could say that, many times those folks are
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taking a stand, in any small way, I must say:





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RE: Reason and action - 6/30/2012 11:06:06 PM   
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I was siting examples



citing

*the ever helpful D.*

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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 4:51:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		About 10 years ago, I lived on an ashram in upstate New York, where everything was idyllic until my good friend L found out her guy D was also fucking K, who didn't know about L and D. We thought K was with M. L was enraged, and took it out on K, which fractured our little family, as J, V, S and I and others were drawn in and took sides. It got ugly.

L was a performance artist, and quite entertaining in her new persona as Mean Girl. While I was outwardly laughing, inwardly I was thinking, "This is wrong - she should be mad at D and stop being so cruel to K." When I did say something, it was too little and too late. All but three of us left.

I've always regretted not trying harder earlier to stop the insanity. I'd been really happy there in the beginning.

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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 7:28:03 AM   
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I wasn't really asking for your opinion for every one of those examples, but thank you. (I understand that may sound bitchy- I want to make it clear I wasn't being bitchy at all there.) I was siting examples of the sort of thing I was originally talking about. I want people to stop being so complacent. I want people to form their own opinions and stick with them. If I'm doing something others don't agree with, I'd much rather they told me. Sure, everyone online will do that. In real life? Not so much.

OK. You asked for it. You said that if you're doing something I don't agree with that you want me to tell you about it. It's "citing," no "siting." There. Doesn't that feel better for both of us?

luci

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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 7:42:18 AM   
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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 12:39:10 PM   
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I want people to stop being so complacent. I want people to form their own opinions and stick with them. If I'm doing something others don't agree with, I'd much rather they told me. Sure, everyone online will do that. In real life? Not so much.


I run a charity that holds charity events throughout the year to benefit service members that been injured in the line of duty. I volunteer at a very large charity event that someone else runs. I usually spend one Saturday per month building houses with Habitat so that underprivileged families don't have to live in squalor. We volunteer at events to promote drug prevention and awareness for Constitutional rights. We open our home up to military servicemen at Thanksgiving and Christmas, when they can't be with their families.

You're just telling other people how to live their lives and calling everyone else complacent.



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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 12:50:16 PM   
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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 1:05:49 PM   
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A pregnant woman already knows she shouldn't smoke, you're not telling her anything new and most likely she'll tell you what she thinks by lighting up another. Telling off a parent cursing at the child, it will most likely be taken out on the child.


The only reason I brought those examples up is because I have, in fact, made a difference there. I went to a party about a month ago and saw a pregnant woman not only smoking, but drinking as well. I did tell her how I felt about it. But unlike the way most people had treated her about it, I wasn't horrible to her. She was defensive at first, as most would be, but she did start to reconsider after a while. Now she doesn't smoke or drink and we talk almost daily.
Same story with the cursing in front of children. I've not only gotten a couple to stop cursing, but I convince them to stop spanking their children as well.
It all comes down to how you approach someone. It also helps when you have suggestions on how they should stop something or what they should be doing instead.



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The only reason I brought those examples up is because I have, in fact, made a difference there. I went to a party about a month ago and saw a pregnant woman not only smoking, but drinking as well. I did tell her how I felt about it. But unlike the way most people had treated her about it, I wasn't horrible to her. She was defensive at first, as most would be, but she did start to reconsider after a while. Now she doesn't smoke or drink and we talk almost daily.



Judgmental.

You do realize it is acceptable for a pregnant woman to drink.. to excess, no, in moderation, yes.

As far as smoking... a pregnant woman should stop... not all can. OBGYNs prefer they at least attempt to cut down. I went from 1 pack to 3 smokes a day.. and my Dr could not have been more pleased.. and my son weighed 7 lbs 13 ounces.

Maybe you should try minding your own business a bit more, reflect upon yourself, and stop standing in moral judgement of others based upon what you see is "right" or "wrong".

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RE: Reason and action - 7/1/2012 1:17:15 PM   
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You do realize it is acceptable for a pregnant woman to drink.. to excess, no, in moderation, yes

Doctors are conflicted about this, as it happens. Some will say that a glass of wine with dinner is alright. However the fact is- One drink for mom is the equivalent of three drinks for baby. Their livers are not developed yet so they can't process the alcohol like an adult. I've taken several classes. I'm not saying I know what the answer is. I do think it's better to be safe than sorry, and going without wine for nine months seems a small price to pay for a healthy child. The way I see it, I wouldn't pour a glass of wine down an infant's mouth out of the womb, so why I would I do it while they are inside?

You (and quite a few others) are doing exactly what I was asking people to do it the first place, however. And, while I may not agree with you, I'm glad to see it. I only wish people on the street would do the same.

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