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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 5:48:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		That, of course, isn't the opinion of the prosecution. And given that they're able to prove intent BEFORE any ensuing conflict, it's going to be a pretty easy case to make.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 6:04:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		But unless they nullify self defense, proving anything else will be irrelevant.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 6:32:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The prosecution doesn't seem concerned about that, and given the facts known in the case, I can understand their confidence.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 6:33:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've still yet to see one single piece of evidence to refute the self defense claim.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 7:26:28 AM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 8:02:34 AM   
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And the witnesses I mentioned still corroborate Zimmerman's story, with nothing from the state so far to refute it, as I said.

The more the person heard/saw, the more they seem to match Zimmerman's story.


Oh yeah, witnesses who change their stories aren't consider reliable then witnesses that refut your witness, then Zimmerman truthfulness is in the toliet, that what a defense lawyer said. You are the great legal know it all Raiikun, you should know that. Then the DA has yet to presented it case in court. You still hold on to that crystal ball....so far it hasn't done you much good

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 8:23:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Meanwhile I do not believe Judge Lester’s order can reasonably be interpreted as an expression of doubt regarding the strength of the prosecution’s case against Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin. He explained that he initially found that the prosecution’s case was “strong” because the defendant did not testify at the first bail hearing and the defense did not present any evidence of self-defense. He also specifically characterized the evidence presented by the defense at the recently concluded bail hearing in support of Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense as having “little relevance” to the issue of bail.

Therefore, I caution against assuming that Judge Lester he has formed an opinion or reached any conclusions regarding the viability of Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense.

None of what I post are all my words, most of what I post are links, followed with my opinions of them, but this is getting too bizzare for me. Y'all believe what you want to, debate what you want to. Have fun, folks. I leave this discussion with a clear conscience and an honest intent

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/8/2012 9:28:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure what you're getting at Louve - you've not really disputed anything I've said.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 10:49:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like Zimmerman is going back on Neighborhood Watch again, in Retreat at Twin Lakes, he no longer keeps a residence there. He state "They need me out there". Another question is if he is in fear of his life, he has a safe house and a security team to protect him, why is he making himself a target in a public place? If he take a firearm with him on patrol he is going to be back in jail, violates the conditions of his bail. Also he referres to him shoting Martin as "single crummy day".
You know it just occured to me, Martin Father lives in this gated community, and Zimmerman is court ordered to stay away from the Martin family, is Zimmerman violating his bail again?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-zimmerman-not-going-to-let-one-bad-experien,28722/


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 11:47:05 AM   
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Nope, that's not a flip flopper. His testimony remains consistent that Trayvon was on top and Zimmerman unable to get away. That's the part that will be important, especially combined with the other evidence (2 lacerations, bruising on both sides of his head, swelling on the side of his head that the blood flowed toward.

I still strongly believe the witnesses and evidence will make it near impossible to prove that George contemporaneously chased anyone, confronted anyone, or started anything, and more importantly will not be able to prove that he wasn't in a position where he was unable to escape with someone using disproportionate force against him. Massad Ayoob has indicated that he may testify on George's behalf, and he's explained in seminars that once you have someone against the ground, fists become deadly weapons.


I addressed this on the other thread: eyewitness testimony has been proven to be unreliable.
Our minds tend to fill in the blanks and what we think we see is a mixture of our visual perceptions plus the fill in the blank stuff our brains naturally do.

Unless you have some secret knowledge of the actual physical evidence that was examined by the crime lab along with the results of same which where the victim's blood was in relation to where George was then I am guessing that the prosecution has more information than you do.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 12:50:20 PM   
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-zimmerman-not-going-to-let-one-bad-experien,28722/


wow,.. if that is what the nutbar Zimmy actually did say, he is crazier and a bigger POS than even I thought he was (as is his family also, imo).. it is really hard to believe that someone could be that stupid as to say that stuff.. especially after being charged with murder.. and yeah, saying it was just one "crummy day" in reference to killing an unarmed black kid, he doesnt sound the least bit racist..

If the HOA allows him to go back and be the NW, then the Martin family should sue the HOA into financial oblivion.. jmo..

Every time i see a pic of Zimmy or see him on the tv, he just turns my stomach..

eta- Zimmy probably still thinks he has a good shot at being a Judge one day..

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 12:57:29 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 1:06:27 PM   
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Its the Onion, so its probably satire

yeah, I have not been able to find another source of those comments, which i would want to see to know if he actually did say those things.. I cant believe even he would say those things, but then again, he was trying to talk directly to the Prosecutor back when he was dumping his first pro bono lawyers.. He has done some pretty weird things that defy logic..

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 2:18:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a theory that the perversity of the universe tends towards the maximum, and the sad truth that The Onion satirical articles over time have a good probability of becoming true.

Consider: http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 4:44:22 PM   
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"My review of all of the available evidence and information leads me to believe, as have other legal analysts, that the state's case is fatally weak. That has led me to conclude that George Zimmerman is innocent, which is an extraordinary public statement for an old lawyer and legal scholar to make -- since the case has not yet been tried. I am not saying merely that there is insufficient evidence for the state to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. I am saying innocent. Period."

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 4:46:21 PM   
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Unless you have some secret knowledge of the actual physical evidence that was examined by the crime lab along with the results of same which where the victim's blood was in relation to where George was then I am guessing that the prosecution has more information than you do.



Victim had very little bleeding through the pencil sized hole, most of it inside the chest cavity, according to Medical Examiner.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 5:09:32 PM   
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http://spectator.org/archives/2012/07/09/memo-to-the-zimmerman-judge-fr

"My review of all of the available evidence and information leads me to believe, as have other legal analysts, that the state's case is fatally weak. That has led me to conclude that George Zimmerman is innocent, which is an extraordinary public statement for an old lawyer and legal scholar to make -- since the case has not yet been tried. I am not saying merely that there is insufficient evidence for the state to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. I am saying innocent. Period."


If this guy feels so strongly, why hasn't he contacted the Judicial oversight organizations and lodged a formal complaint?

Oh, that's right, because he's just another fucking asshole like every one of us spouting their opinions on the Internet.

I can't wait to see if the Jury concurs with his assessment, and I wonder if he'll have the good grace to revisit his pronouncements.



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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 5:19:25 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 5:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. Talk about a pageview whore. Really? That needed to be spread out on three pages to pump-up ad revenue? I guess that's just an indication of what a low-level, scumbag bottom feeder that site is.

Makes me glad that I fuck them in the ass and use Adblock+ and NoScript, so that the don't get any ad revenue from me, BUT STILL NEED TO PAY TO SERVE UP THE CONTENT.

The best of both worlds. They spend money without any offsetting revenue.

And once that moron used the word 'lynch', he proved himself unworthy of anyone's attention, not that anyone actually expects better from YOU...

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/10/2012 5:28:05 PM   
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