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Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 5:24:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle 776.041b says no such thing. This PRESUMPTION you speak of does not exist. It is an ASSUMPTION of yours. Actually it was a lawyer that pointed it out, though I got it a little wrong. 776.041b makes the presumption that it's use of force that provokes the use of force. "indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force". Indicating you wish to terminate the use of force makes the presumption that you used force to begin with.

DeviantlyD -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 5:40:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle 776.041b says no such thing. This PRESUMPTION you speak of does not exist. It is an ASSUMPTION of yours. Actually it was a lawyer that pointed it out, though I got it a little wrong. 776.041b makes the presumption that it's use of force that provokes the use of force. "indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force". Indicating you wish to terminate the use of force makes the presumption that you used force to begin with. Well no shit Sherlock. To terminate something means it had to exist in order to terminate it.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 5:41:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle 776.041b says no such thing. This PRESUMPTION you speak of does not exist. It is an ASSUMPTION of yours. Actually it was a lawyer that pointed it out, though I got it a little wrong. 776.041b makes the presumption that it's use of force that provokes the use of force. "indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force". Indicating you wish to terminate the use of force makes the presumption that you used force to begin with. Well no shit Sherlock. To terminate something means it had to exist in order to terminate it. I was responding to fargle's claim the presumption doesn't exist.

DeviantlyD -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 6:06:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle 776.041b says no such thing. This PRESUMPTION you speak of does not exist. It is an ASSUMPTION of yours. Actually it was a lawyer that pointed it out, though I got it a little wrong. 776.041b makes the presumption that it's use of force that provokes the use of force. "indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force". Indicating you wish to terminate the use of force makes the presumption that you used force to begin with. Well no shit Sherlock. To terminate something means it had to exist in order to terminate it. I was responding to fargle's claim the presumption doesn't exist. I was responding to your "indicating you wish to terminate the use of force makes the presumption that you used force to begin with." comment. D'oh!

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 6:44:14 AM)
And I was demonstrating that your response to my response served no useful purpose.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 8:56:41 AM)
Going through the new evidence. Most significant so far is that with the dozen or so Federal agents sent to investigate, they came up with zero evidence of racial bias from George.

Musicmystery -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 8:57:31 AM)
It's nice they talk to you about this so readily.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 9:03:05 AM)
And there's the photos and lab work done on the clothing, but no results that we didn't know for some time now; results consistent with a contact shot. So far all the available ballistics support George's story.

mnottertail -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 9:18:26 AM)
George is going to use the money for a sex change? Or...WTF is the comparison?

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 9:26:34 AM)
Just the going to trial for murdering a child, since you inquired about mothers and fathers being on the jury. The comparison seemed obvious to me. shrug

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 9:30:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It's nice they talk to you about this so readily. Don't need to talk to them; I read their reports.

Musicmystery -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 9:40:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It's nice they talk to you about this so readily. Don't need to talk to them; I read their reports. Wait...I thought I was on your block list? Damn. It's just possible they don't report everything about an upcoming trial to the public. Ya think?

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 9:50:30 AM)
Took everyone off block last week on a whim. Thanks for reminding me why that was a bad idea.

Musicmystery -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 10:00:08 AM)
No worries!

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 10:04:19 AM)
FBI Interviews: No evidence Zimmerman a racist

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 11:32:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle April 17 - quote: Defendant: Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag. Shelly Zimmerman: I have one for you in safety deposit box... Defendant: Ok, you hold on to that. April 20 - Bond Hearing. Shellie testilies that they're indigent. Zimmerman turns in expired passport. Zimmerman's lies to O'Mara cause O'Mara to tell the court, and I quote, "this is my client's current passport and only passport that he has." June 1, Bond Revoked. July 7 Bond granted Which, of course, is irrelevant to the fact that Zimmerman KNEW he had an extra passport BEFORE he lied to his attorney, and caused his attorney to lie to the court, which is clearly indicated by the timeline I had posted.

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 11:33:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle 776.041b says no such thing. This PRESUMPTION you speak of does not exist. It is an ASSUMPTION of yours. Actually it was a lawyer that pointed it out, though I got it a little wrong. 776.041b makes the presumption that it's use of force that provokes the use of force. "indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force". Indicating you wish to terminate the use of force makes the presumption that you used force to begin with. And as we've seen in Diallo, the threatening motion as if towards a weapon counts as Zimmerman's use of force.

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 11:35:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sepultura Insufficient evidence for the charge. Typical. Overcharge to scare from trial. Call them out? If state prosecution, they do lose from time to time. Given there's a mandatory sentence for killing a juvenile, and there's no benefit to plea-bargins, exactly how does this 'overcharge to scare from trail' work?

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 11:36:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Going through the new evidence. Most significant so far is that with the dozen or so Federal agents sent to investigate, they came up with zero evidence of racial bias from George. Since he's not charged with a racial crime, I'm unsure about the exculpatory value of that.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/12/2012 11:51:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle And as we've seen in Diallo, the threatening motion as if towards a weapon counts as Zimmerman's use of force. Diallo isn't even in the same State so really you're just making wild speculation as to how Florida would consider it. The lawyers I've asked though are certain looking for your cellphone to call police wouldn't count as 'use of force' taking away the right to self defense. However, if Trayvon was on trial, his defense team could argue that the reaching for the phone put Trayvon in fear justifying his use of force, while not taking away George's right to defend himself. It's 2 separate issues, but since George is the one being charged, what's relevant is that searching for his phone is not a use of force.

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