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lovmuffin -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 9:49:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Following and pursuing someone when you have no authority to do so and have been specifically advised against it and know full well that the police are on the way is not a freak of nature event, it is simple stupidity. It wasn't against the law to follow and it was TM who confronted and committed an assault. I'm not sayin Zimmy wasn't stupid but TM was stupid too. It's not smart to go walking down town at 3am in the morning (or driving around, I could tell you a story about that) but it's not illegal either.

lovmuffin -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 10:08:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Had Z not been a vigilante bent on violence, he wouldn't have been punched either!....CUlpability will be proven, but I doubt you will care for the outcome. That whole carrying a gun thing, as a community watch person, negates your argument....sorry... And once again you are making that up. You don't know that as much as you could say that every neighborhood watch guy out there is a vigilante. You don't know he was bent on violence. He was trying to keep the neighbors from getting their houses burglarized, nothing more nothing less and then this unfortunate freak of nature event happened. It absolutely does not negate my argument. He wasn't even doing his neighborhood watch thing at the time anyway. He was on his way out to the store when he spotted TM. He was packin his gun legally whether on watch duty or otherwise. If TM hadn't punched Zimmy in the nose and punched him another dozen or so times slammin his head into the sidewalk and then topped it off by sayin"Your expletive dead" and going for Zimmys gun, he wouldn't have gotten shot. If I had neighborhood watch duty I would be packin heat and I'm sure many do. I surely would run away from trouble given the chance but if I'm doin it at night I wouldn't be without it. Since we're all speculating here I would say Zimmy got in over his head and got into trouble he couldn't handle. If TM would have jumped off Zimmy and not gone for the gun then it's not likely he would have been shot. The only thing that's going to prove murder is if the prosecutor can show TM backed off and Zimmy was pissed about gettin his ass beat and shot TM in a fit of rage.

Owner59 -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 10:09:01 PM)
According to the liar. And? So?

lovmuffin -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 10:17:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Thanks for pointing out that this is political and idiological for you and your ilk and not about the merrits of this case. Martin`s mom could give two shit about the gun debate. If stupid George stayed in his car or if stupid george had listened to police or if stupid george hadn`t of been play cops-n-robers......we wouldn't be having this discussion. And I`m not anti-gun. I`m anti-stupid-people-with-guns. It's not political for me. I implied that it's political for some who rushed to judgment. Stupid George did listen to police and stopped following. He was on his way to an easy location for the police to find him. Why do you guys keep saying he didn't ? Because you want to make your own scenario out of it ? Just because he was packing a gun doesn't mean he was playing cops and robbers, that's just your spin. I'm anti-stupid people with guns too.

lovmuffin -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 10:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Do you really think George`s foxnoose interview was smart? Probably not a good idea but I would say it was not smart of his lawyer. The prosecutor immediately filed to get the entire unedited interview admitted into evidence.

BamaD -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 10:38:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin It's not political for me. I implied that it's political for some who rushed to judgment. Stupid George did listen to police and stopped following. He was on his way to an easy location for the police to find him. Why do you guys keep saying he didn't ? Because you want to make your own scenario out of it ? Just because he was packing a gun doesn't mean he was playing cops and robbers, that's just your spin. I'm anti-stupid people with guns too. Yes they do want to make their own scenario. I'm anti stupid people.

mons -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/19/2012 10:59:57 PM)
What in the world was that fool thinking of (Zimmerman) He should had listen to the officers telling him "get out of his car", but not he has a gun and he is a big shot, I think I will kill this boy here and oh I can get away with it! I just really wished he had stayed in his car,! Tazzy your so right I am sick of this case, the pain the heart break it cost to t.Martin family! She will never see grandchildren, never see him go on and life and what could he had been? Zimmerman's mother must be on medicine to really calm her and to help her sleep! I wonder what the people around them feel like, with a son who follows someone and shoots him! I wonder are they frighten of Zimmerman? Do they wish the family would move so that no more cameras are station outside, wait are there cameras out side of their home? I am very verbose when I write I am lucky someone retaught me again I have so much to say about everything! This case is like the Emette Till case! They were convicted of the crime but they did an interview and say they kill him! But the law could not retrial them again at all! It did divide the nation as well, it is a sad evil thing he did He has no feeling of remorse nothing, even his eyes are blank! I think he thought that T. Martin could not had lived there and what was he doing there this young black boy and I know he did not say what I would had wished a adult with not problems with race! Yes I hope this will be something that is taken care of and no more of this hate in this nation! been in the area he was black and that meant danger to

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 12:20:34 AM)
quote: It's not smart to go walking down town at 3am Why are you making shit up? It was before 8pm, and Trayvon Martin walked directly to and from the candy store. quote: He was on his way to an easy location for the police to find him. Where did this come from? Of the two or more stories Zimmerman is telling now, NEITHER of them are about how he was going somewhere so that he could meet the police. quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin It wasn't against the law to follow and it was TM who confronted and committed an assault. That's not quite how it works. Go read up on Amadou Diallo, and how the police, once Diallo made a potentially threatening movement, were justified in ending his life. So, once Zimmerman made a potentially threatening movement, TM DOES NOT COMMIT THE CRIMINAL ACT OF ASSAULT. Trayvon Martin exercises his right of self defense and standing his ground.

Rule -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 12:44:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Go read up on Amadou Diallo, and how the police, once Diallo made a potentially threatening movement, were justified in ending his life. I disagree with that conclusion.

DeviantlyD -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 2:33:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl God's Plan When I heard this on the news I was well and truly gobsmacked. What kind of dumb idiotic bumfuck is this poor excuse for a human being???? He's a fucking liar. And so entirely deluded. I hope the prosecution does its job well because George Zimmerman deserves to be in jail for needlessly profiling this kid as thief, not letting go of the idea that he was somehow right in seeing Trayvon Martin as "up to no good" and killing him when things got out of hand. It got to that point because Zimmerman likely didn't want to see another "asshole" get away. The entire situation should never have happened and wouldn't have happened if George Zimmerman behaved responsibly and with common sense.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 5:50:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD The entire situation should never have happened and wouldn't have happened if George Zimmerman behaved responsibly and with common sense. Probably, but that goes both ways. If Trayvon hadn't come back from wherever he'd run off to and confronted George, this never would have happened too.

mnottertail -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:13:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Eh, bullshit. pure unadulterated bullshit. I own more guns than any of you, and alot of you combined even. I rarely am involved in shootouts at the local Tedeschi's, or Red Owl. Sorry, real people rarely carry for shit like that, unless they are pure paranoid, god complexers. Cuz people aint that worth shooting in the grocery store. I have 175 Billion guns. Do you have that many? (I actually don't tell the public about 30% of my guns...you do the numbers). As I said, more than most of you combined, if you were to combine that with a friend who had a like number and you then went from 30% reporting to 175% reporting then I would still have way more than you.

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:30:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Go read up on Amadou Diallo, and how the police, once Diallo made a potentially threatening movement, were justified in ending his life. I disagree with that conclusion. Well, 12 Jurors, and an Appellate Court came to that conclusion, so you'll understand why I'm going to go with their call and not yours, OK?

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:32:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD The entire situation should never have happened and wouldn't have happened if George Zimmerman behaved responsibly and with common sense. Probably, but that goes both ways. If Trayvon hadn't come back from wherever he'd run off to and confronted George, this never would have happened too. Could you please post actual evidence, from someone whose testimony isn't easily impeached, to support this hypothesis of yours, which is in contradiction with the testimony of Trayvon Martin's girlfriend -- who so far isn't one of those who keeps changing their stories.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:37:26 AM)
I've already explained repeatedly how the evidence shows that the encounter took place near the T intersection, 150 feet away from George's truck, where moments before George was without having any idea where Trayvon was, thus meaning Trayvon would have had to have returned to that spot from wherever he went for the encounter to have occurred.

mnottertail -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:42:42 AM)
Explaining some rather very unlikely scenario repeatedly does not make it fact, or any more believable. We know that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, the more likely scenario is that Martin stopped to sip his iced tea and eat his candy (cuz certainly he did not know he was being stalked) and Zimmerman pursued him the last 50 yards by following the last path he saw him take, in order to murder him. Otherwise, why wasnt he right by the truck when Martin circled around and accosted him? Senseless asswipe, from start to finish.

Raiikun -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:46:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail We know that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin No, we don't know this. We know George was following him before being asked not to, George stopped and talked to the dispatcher for a bit with Trayvon nowhere in sight, then the encounter happening at the spot that George was talking to the dispatcher. This makes it hard to fit a pursuit in there.

mnottertail -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:49:47 AM)
again, pursuit. and only pursuit. why not just drive off, or get in his truck and stay there, awaiting the dispatcher, cuz he was in his truck when talking to him, you could hear the windshield wipers? No, he went after the kid, pursuit. He went hunting.

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 6:58:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun I've already explained repeatedly how the evidence shows that the encounter took place near the T intersection, 150 feet away from George's truck, where moments before George was without having any idea where Trayvon was, thus meaning Trayvon would have had to have returned to that spot from wherever he went for the encounter to have occurred. The only person who says that George didn't have any idea where Trayvon was is George. But George also says a lot of other things where aren't true, doesn't he? For instance, George is now on record as giving TWO DIFFERENT justifications for exiting his vehicle. Neither of George's reasons are valid however, and neither matches his expressed frustration and desire to prevent Martin from getting away.

farglebargle -> RE: George Zimmerman Update... (7/20/2012 7:01:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail We know that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin No, we don't know this. We know George was following him before being asked not to, George stopped and talked to the dispatcher for a bit with Trayvon nowhere in sight, then the encounter happening at the spot that George was talking to the dispatcher. This makes it hard to fit a pursuit in there. You do realize that they Jury isn't going to go through the linguistic gymnastics you're performing to narrowly tailor their definitions to support their pre-defined worldview? I mean, YOU can indulge in all the word-games you care to, but at the end of the day, when it's shown that George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin first in his car, and then on foot, that they're all going to go "Yup, he pursued him he did..."

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