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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 12:01:15 PM

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How do they fit that much balingwire into a dimension less than a mm without creating a black hole?

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 12:02:13 PM

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How do they fit that much balingwire into a dimension less than a mm without creating a black hole?

That is the question that ultimately led to string theory being largely discredited.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 12:03:12 PM

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So, it wasn't the postulate that duct tape solves everything? Cuz I think thats easily experimental right there.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 2:29:47 PM

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I have done many things with duct tape over the years, but when it comes to keeping hunks of metal, now only connected by hydraulic lines, from dragging along the freeway, you just have to stop and hitch it back up too often, when you use a rope of braided duct tape for the job.

Not that duct tape isn't mighty stuff, mind you, but God is a bigger hammer than that.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 2:38:43 PM

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no theory of physics or cosmology posits something from nothing.

My cosmology does. It is quite easy, too.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 2:51:11 PM

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cosmology, not cosmetology.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 7:04:01 PM

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I have done many things with duct tape over the years, but when it comes to keeping hunks of metal, now only connected by hydraulic lines, from dragging along the freeway, you just have to stop and hitch it back up too often, when you use a rope of braided duct tape for the job.

Not that duct tape isn't mighty stuff, mind you, but God is a bigger hammer than that.

Never heard of metallic duct tape huh? It's gooooood stuff.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 7:40:51 PM

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I'm in aerospace country, Hill. We have duct tape floating around in peoples pick-ups and garages here that gets referred to as 2000 mph hour tape, and there is a 1000 degree variety, that can be used to remount a whole dangling exhaust system on a car.

If we are talking about the same stuff, I have a roll of the metal tape out in my toolbox. No substitute for baling wire, if a length of that is what you need.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 8:22:46 PM

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I have done many things with duct tape over the years, but when it comes to keeping hunks of metal, now only connected by hydraulic lines, from dragging along the freeway, you just have to stop and hitch it back up too often, when you use a rope of braided duct tape for the job.

Not that duct tape isn't mighty stuff, mind you, but God is a bigger hammer than that.

That's right. God is also WD-40.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 9:52:57 PM

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If any one has a Higgs boson to spare could they please email it to me. My one is tired and grumpy. It told me it wan't very happy with the outcome of its work, it feels unappreciated and want to find a new challenge.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/3/2012 10:32:16 PM

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Man will have one shining moment of clarity on the journey between this world and the next. I think the most recent prediction is for December 21, 2012. There are still those who won't beleive, and there are others of us that make this crap up wholesale. If you don't believe in God, then just wonder who made that Lady or Gentleman that makes your heart skip a beat or two. If it is random chance why does it not happen with everyone?? Slim, perhaps, but it works, even if it is your own mind that imagines and creates this world.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 5:55:59 AM

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If any one has a Higgs boson to spare could they please email it to me. My one is tired and grumpy. It told me it wan't very happy with the outcome of its work, it feels unappreciated and want to find a new challenge.

It is a "god particle." Lonely by definition. Sorry, but that's the price it pays for being Almighty.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 8:04:32 AM

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If people can't find this bo'sun Higgs, maybe they haven't tried the bars on the waterfront...

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 8:09:26 AM

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I think they will find it is created and stored in our frontal lobes and nowhere else.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 9:08:26 AM

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The boson(s) are force fields of energy that permeate everything and provide mass to stuff.

If anyone understands that shit, please explain it to me.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 9:54:38 AM

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No... they think they do...not really proven...yet...or the true properties known. So for us to talk like we have any idea what we are talking about is premature is what I was trying to say.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 11:37:14 AM

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The boson(s) are force fields of energy that permeate everything and provide mass to stuff.

If anyone understands that shit, please explain it to me.

I know this is cliche but it really can't be accurately described in english.

Simply put the Higgs Boson is the quantum, a packet of "energy", that makes up the Higgs field. The Higgs field can be thought of as sort of sticky substance through which other quantum particles travel. Those other particles gain mass by their interaction with the field.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 1:12:34 PM

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I am absolutely positive that we will never understand something from nothing... there can be no valid answer to this in science by its very nature.

This is prima facie incorrect. there is not a case of something from nothing, these are all from something.

Sorry for the interruption of historical science here, but ...

We do not know what we don't know, at a given point in time.

At one time, electromagnetic phenomena were unknown from a scientific standpoint, however long many plants and species of animals survived and prospered, and some died out, in the process of electromagnetic phenomena. All good to Faraday and Maxwell, but the earth somehow made it along for a few hundred billions of years before they came along.

"Nothing," as you proclaim we are never to understand 'anything' from, existed long before man ever came along, in that sense.

Please, don't give us that "if a tree fell in the woods and nobody (human) heard it, would it exist?" nonsense. Almost as nonsensical and physics-ignoring as that "one hand clapping" crap.

Please spare us.

We don't know what we yet don't know; we didn't then, and we delude ourselves if we think we know such now, end of story, all contemporary and ancient delusion aside.

The various quarks and the bosons are only two clicks above the corpuscles proposed by Aristotle, but don't tell anybody that coz we lubs ourselves so muchly, given the blinding Grecko/Roman narcissism inherent in Western culture.

It could be argued that we are at least half a click behind Aristotle's day as to what to do with ourselves now, and there be the more important matter, to some.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 1:37:41 PM

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please note that I didnt say any such a fucking ridiculous thing. There was a time, when we didnt know (or even care) why we stood on earth. Then we started finding out quaint little things.....hey it must be square and you can fall off it (cuz you can kinda measure that way, when you are trying to hit a continent or large island, then some Vasco fuckin DeGamma or Magellen heres some useful idiot saying look here, look there, there is a great deal of little tidbits here that vouch for round, hey, it might be round they said, first astronauts.......

then somebody started got drunk started talking politics, and got in a big piss up (musta had american blood) and swung his tankard of ale...noticed it didnt spill and he had this funny feeling, and somebody dropped an apple on his head, and he said wait a minute, what if that is what is happening to the world........long comes a guy who was fucking his cousin and granting patents and said.........acceleration, gravity, space and time.......

always something from something, never nothing from nothing.

Nobody said, hey, nothing is going on here, lets study the shit out of this.

As it got advanced we ran out of answers, and then started saying but look at that, if that works here at point A and does that at point BetaZed, then something like this happens in between, thru a process of deduction, or induction, and when the explanation failed for this or that case, they tinkered and measured and tinkered and measured.

The old world word for Physicist is Geometer.

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RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe - 7/4/2012 2:02:03 PM

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~FR~

The boson(s) are force fields of energy that permeate everything and provide mass to stuff.

If anyone understands that shit, please explain it to me.

I know this is cliche but it really can't be accurately described in english.

Simply put the Higgs Boson is the quantum, a packet of "energy", that makes up the Higgs field. The Higgs field can be thought of as sort of sticky substance through which other quantum particles travel. Those other particles gain mass by their interaction with the field.

May the Force be with you.

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