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What's Obama's plan again? Oh yeah...

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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Many of us were waiting, hoping, for something workable to get this country back on its feet.

Won't happen as the goals have been so radically changed. What you seek is the path to actualize the desired paradigm. I.e., joether -

If you don't see the desire for a blueprint society there then you don't know what is being sought. The contradictions are astounding.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Ah yes, the bullshit poster

Why do you guys keep posting that propaganda? The bill never even made it out of the Senate, but yet you try and pawn the refusal on the republican house.

Thanks for the laugh Mr Disingenuous.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Yet in 6 years of control of Congress and the White House, not one of those things happened.

Also, not one of those things addresses the issues of uninsured, dropped when sick, no coverage for preexisting conditions, etc etc etc.

The two middle ones are attempts to remove protections, not health care reform. Of course they're opposed.

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Complaining that didn't pass health care reforms when they had the chance is a straw man, and you know it. Health care was not an issue in those 6 years.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Many of us were waiting, hoping, for something workable to get this country back on its feet.

Won't happen as the goals have been so radically changed. What you seek is the path to actualize the desired paradigm. I.e., joether -

If you don't see the desire for a blueprint society there then you don't know what is being sought. The contradictions are astounding.

I was actually asking for the Republican plan with you at the head of that Republican Plan. Creating it as you wish, with all the details, but with the knowledge it has to be applied across the board to all persons found under the goverment's control (cus thats how the US Consitution dictates things). You often bitch that liberals dont listen to conservatives, and we dont listen to you. Well, you were given that chance in all fairness and honesty. I even set forth the rules ahead of time to be fair with it. And you pissed it away. That not anyone's fault; that is your failing plain and simple. Bitch all you want, for why should people take you seriously in the future when your willing to diminish your own credibility, by your own words and actions?

I 'get' that you dont like the ACA. You never read it, dont wish to read it. But you will certainly take advantage of all it has to offer.....while still protesting your against it. Just like a perfectly ignorant conservative. The ACA is a fair bill at best. It could have and should have been better. In fact, if Democrats knew knew then what they know now, it would have been a better bill.

But instead of dealing with the problem head on like an adult, you reverted to what all conservatives do these days: the mental and emotional level of a 6th grader. You couldnt handle the adult level questions and expectations. Why should we allow you at the adult table in the future when discussing any topics when clearly you dont possess the mental and emotional (must less educational or wisdom) for the discussinons?

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There are actually several different plans to a conservative approach to health care reform that have been around for years. Here are some of the main items that were brought up by conservatives in 2009

* allow health insurance to be sold across state lines to bring down the cost of insurance through competitive markets.
* tort reform to bring down the actual cost of medical care by eliminating trivial and fraudulent lawsuits against doctors and hospitals.
* reforming the rules governing medical research to get drugs on the market faster making them less expensive.
* allowing for people to have tax free medical savings accounts.

Libs don't like any of these things because they ultimately mean that people have to take responsibility for their own health care decisions. It is far more convenient for them to perpetuate the lie that conservatives have no plan than it is to debate them about the issue. That's why, when the libs had the House, the Senate, and the Oval Office, they had to run their bill through before anyone had time to read it, let alone discuss the merits and issues with the bill. Obamacare would have never survived an honest debate.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Ah yes, the bullshit poster

Why do you guys keep posting that propaganda? The bill never even made it out of the Senate, but yet you try and pawn the refusal on the republican house.

Thanks for the laugh Mr Disingenuous.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Yet in 6 years of control of Congress and the White House, not one of those things happened.

Also, not one of those things addresses the issues of uninsured, dropped when sick, no coverage for preexisting conditions, etc etc etc.

The two middle ones are attempts to remove protections, not health care reform. Of course they're opposed.

Complaining that didn't pass health care reforms when they had the chance is a straw man, and you know it. Health care was not an issue in those 6 years. It only became an issue because it is a Democratic issue and Democrats found themselves in complete control of the government. Health care has been the "Holy Grail" of the Democratic party for decades. Libs had their chance and they jumped on it without any regard for what the country wanted.

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Libs don't like any of these things because they ultimately mean that people have to take responsibility for their own health care decisions.

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Great to have you back on the boards, LAM!

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I agree with you on the issues of uninsured, dropped when sick, no coverage for preexisting conditions, and maybe even some of the etc.'s. A lot of conservative lawmakers probably would have too. In fact, I'm sure there were a lot of conservatives agreeing with those things when Nancy and Harry were busy forcing through Obamacare. Again, it's easier for liberals to repeat the lie that conservatives just want people to die when they get sick.