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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
Yes, the social interaction leading up to it is quite variable, as is the intercourse that follows. The female may very well ride him into bliss while he is required to lay there and "take it."
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaittYou know, I am attempting to have a more theoretical discussion on this topic, which is why and how males (in general) and females (in general) approach getting their sexual needs met is relevant. BTW: I appreciate all your input, very well thought out and written (as usual).
Well the flip side is that the female "consumes" and engulfs the penis, which is implicated in masculine emasculation fears (or desires), vagina dentata, etc., and there is no shortage of evidence men make fools of themselves over pussy, and have done so for as long as anybody can remember. The power of the pussy is well represented in mythology, Enkidu, Eve, Samson and Delilah, Salome, etc., albeit the female is often depicted as femme fatale rather than femme vitale, and still that power is one of seduction and manipulation rather than force or authority, but in the less gendered sense it does play out as a contest of wills in which the man often loses.
I think the whole obsession with penetration smacks of eighteenth century neo-Aristotillianism, and social Darwinism, many of the tenets of which linger on in modern political-economy - Goreanism leans heavily on it for example, and it underlies most conservative value constructs, but it's not uncommon historically.
In any case, typically, the act of penetration is a triumphal thing for the average male, a "conquest", and it's recognized by convention and cliche that men often lose interest entirely once that goal is attained, whereas it's a much less competitive thing for women, and they tend to take a bit more holistic view of things, i.e., it's just another facet of the overall relationship.
I think Western culture in general has been moving towards the more holistic viewpoint, even allowing, if not always validating, women to act competitively, like males, if they so desire, in the sexual arena.
And, eventually there may be increased recognition that the human brain is not always as explicitly gendered as the human body - part of that may be that maintaining an adequate supply of males enculturated into martial value systems against the event of war is not the compelling and overriding interest it once was, and we are bit more concerned with the sort of non-violent social interactions that facilitate modern social-economics.
But I think you'll find people expressing value systems at every point in this continuum, with traditional roles falling roughly in the fat middle of the curve, but as the housework studies suggest, the middle itself is often a moving target.
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