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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 2:12:32 AM   
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I often feel the condescension and bitterness that seems to ooze like slime from quite a few liberals when they interject in a debate. It's amazing to me that so many here can't separate disagreement with an idea from personal stabs at a person's character. But then, that reveals quite a lot about a person's character.



You're being ironic here, right?

Only, if you're not, then I have to say that that little para looks rather like condescension and bitterness to me.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 2:41:34 AM   
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Apologies for the double post.

It's wonderful how a forum can allow a copy/paste, without you even using that function.

One wrong button is all it takes.

Again, sorry for the inadvertent reiteration.



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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 2:53:52 AM   
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I often feel the condescension and bitterness that seems to ooze like slime from quite a few liberals when they interject in a debate. It's amazing to me that so many here can't separate disagreement with an idea from personal stabs at a person's character. But then, that reveals quite a lot about a person's character.



You're being ironic here, right?

Only, if you're not, then I have to say that that little para looks rather like condescension and bitterness to me.



Keep in mind, you are responding to a fellow that has it in his head that the woefully inadequate new US health care law (which makes the insurers happy, that's all you need to know), is somehow going to force him to take treatment or surgery that he doesn't want, where no other much more 'social' European universal plan, or completely third world US-aligned health care system has ever gone before.

Just keep that in mind, and understand the utter wackos we are dealing with on this side of the pond.

It's not all of us.

Thank you for your understanding.





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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 5:59:31 AM   
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I see this is a question of the Civil Right Act!

My mother and father lived during the period of murder, lynchings, burnings of many Black people of
the different parts of the southern parts of the United States of Amercia!

The live through time when we did for ourselves, black owned shops, business etc. My father was one very intelligent man!
He did not have one single things given to him he worked and earn his way through college! This was before the Civil Rights Act had
began!

As were many of the parents of our friends, I know of no one whom was given a free job lol!
You had to know what the hell you were doing, or you did not get hired!

Now when the Civil rights act began it was do to the injustices of people who would not hire people because of the color!

When the children were about to enter the school that the Government said they were to go to, the shock
of hate so strong you could see the "spit' flying out of the mouths of children, mother, father and teenagers!
As they screamed out hate filled words to a small child!

Those times were so viscous, angry whites were frighten of having black children go to their school! Many people are frighten of the
unknown! They only saw skin color! This is about race in many ways!!!! But so many people will not see it or want to see it, it is what it is, people!

It will be about race as long as we have a black President in offcie I have never seen in my life a President who is hated as much as he is!
Yes it is true, I have read and listening to radio, folks call up and just blame him for anything and everything! From the economic to lose of jobs!

As the leader of the free world I do not even began to say everyone should like him, hell no, but respect is something he has earned! But not one person
can say he will even get it! He is Amercian "boggle man" what do they say about the boggle man he will come and take you away, or take things from you!

When I see how people act and how they will jump on the next ship no matter how bad or leaky that rotten boat is, it comes down to the "black man"
or Rommney! The boat is sinking fast, the captain of the ship has "tax returns" he will not open up , off shore accounts , I wonder what else he has that we do not know about!?

Oh yes he "Rommney" is a bully! He held down a child and cut off his hair! That take a lot of balls to do this to someone just because he "did not like his hair style "

Bull this is about race! I am one who does not like this ideal, but it is happening as we write here!

I see myself as a person, my mother and father rasied us all to speak with honor, give your word and keep it! My mother taught me how to be a lady with honor and
guts, be strong study and work hard, do not shame yourself be always above your own self! No one in my family has ever been to jail or arrested, we were never gotten a "so called free job!

We have to be the best at everything, we are looked on as criminals =, black women are still looked upon as sex crazed lol women we are the wildest women in the world, black men are look upon as thieves!
Growing up I was the best artist in every school I went to, but it was never enough! We had to be the best, young gifted and black was the saying or call word for our generation!

It is still the same, my sons had to be the best, all of our children are gifted, in languages , art and we made then know it is expect of you do not let anyone put you down, now we have the best thank god
engineer, attorney and an artist! Oh yes we did not date until they were over 18 !

We as the back community must and did this for our families, and I regrad not one thing! I am one of thousand upon thousand of black women who worked hard to give our children the best!

I never had be called the "n" word in my life until and this was two time until I went to work as a mother helper, a car with young adult in it shouted that word to me, I looked over my shoulder to
see whom they were speaking too, lol they became so angry I had to run into a store! The second time was when I was working and the person I worked with just walked up to me and
called me that vicious name! This was 20 years apart , but the effect was the same, shock and just what in the hell! This was at a elementary school. yes and she had it out even for the black children in the class,
sick woman! Yes she was danger to me and to the children!

If you could walk a mile in a black person shoes, you would see, if I someone who has been clear to work at certain places by the FBI they you have a fellow teacher
go to get her purse as she watches me, I gave her a look of "areyou nuts" I would not lose my job over that she did look ashamed as she realized what she did!

As for welfare the folks who are on this system are not the whites or blacks it is the Asian community! Welfare was given to the poor white farmers during the times of
hungry and it was nothing to be shamed of it was to be a helping hand until you were able to get a job and then get off of this system of help!
All of the store in our community had the best shop keepers, and it was ran by our own people!
Now the system of welfare has changed everyone! It is now given to many of America's middle class people, who through Former President Bush act of kindness to the rich that
left many people unable to find jobs that would pay enough to earn enough to pay their bills! Also this ideal that some of you have about welfare is not true!

If you are a single parent and you recieve welfare they will "hunt "down the absent parent be it mother or father and make them pay through the behind or they will
go to jail! They no longer let anyone just sit back and relax and recieve money! When a child is old enough to go to school they, will train you for a job no it is not free again!!

This helps both child and parent see a clear picture of what is important! Now if anyone has done the reading to see how much a person gets from welfare you would see that it is
not enough to live on, please if I am wrong check the facts of how much a person gets from the state!

The worst thing is being on welfare, the shame that you can not go out and work and make your own money is a mess! I learn this from a friend whom wanted to come and live here with me
she did not tell me she had five children, she has planned to get on welfare when she came here!

I told her she could not come, I found out from former friend she was hooked on crack! I would not place my children nor my home to this type of criminal behavior!

I did her a favor she is now a secretary at a elementary school and has been clean for over many, many years!

If you place people on welfare and lower the housing to 180 when the rest of the city is paying 1600 per month, it is a shame they have
not a clue on how to budget their income! this is for all peoples who are recieving AfDC different then welfare! Nonookies what are you saying there! So many different post all togther
my eyes see double!

So explain what you meant dear, oh as for living in the black community of anyone of you think they enjoy living with guns shooting , drugs, murder then all of you are in a dream land!
They are frighten our of their mind, you can not leave your home in fear of becoming the next murder victim no no one want to live in that manne the poilce are frighten to go there themselves!

It is a no win way and no they did not turn it this way! Many of the people in the black community do not live this way they only show the bad side of this!

Not the people who attend meeting to stop this nightmare of living in hell! Yes we want good school safe places to walk but I do not live in that community I did before, and it was hell!

Yes it is about race and it may always be!

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 7:16:23 AM   
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Because you asked, a listing of Black CEO's in the US. Listing Black Exectutives and Entrepreneurs lists woldwide, not just US.
http://www.blackentrepreneurprofile.com/fortune-500-ceos/ Needless to say, there is also a president and a number of congresspeople of African American Descent. When does this work out to fair?


When I can't come here and throw stark statistics to you that show the vast inequality of result. I am not that intelligent but let me try this out. Take College Football. African Americans have dominated play for how long? Since the 60's? 50 years or so at least. A long time at least...I think we can agree. Well wouldn't you suppose that dominating a "field" of study would lead that group dominating to gravitate and lead in the most important positions in the Industry? The best and brightest players have been african american for quite some time. The sheer numbers would say that the odds are that the highest levels of the industry would be dominated by African Americans, right?

Wrong. There isn't a leading program in the highest reaches of College Football with a head coach that is African American....Zero, none , zilch.

What would that lead you to believe....that African Americans just aren't leaders? Can't run Billion dollar enterprises? Or is the system predisoposed to bring on white coaches.....I will let you decide.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 7:21:29 AM   
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Not going to argue there isn't something untoward here, but Fontes and  Green, Minnesota.

Ive seen alot of black football players go into movies and other things, Alan Page Minnesota Supreme Court Justice....what the fuck does college coaching pay compared to movies or endorsements and so on?

How many black players are trying to get into management though?  I see guys playing right up to injury or retirement, but not alot publicly looking for the head coaching spot.

So, its sort of iffy to me DYB.  Dont see a prima facie case, but I am not saying it isn't there either.   

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 9:06:08 AM   
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Not really talking pro's. College is where the money is for coaches. Ohio State blew the bank open for Urban Meyer. Did they even interview a black coach? No. For the major programs, ND, USC, OSU, Michigan, Florida, Bama, LSU, Texas , OU..etc....We are talking multi billion dollar organizations.

As to who is trying to get there.....if you look on the sidelines they are filled with black assistants, recruiters etc....why? Cause most of the athletes are black. I am not saying it is overtly racist. I am saying it is part of the culture that excludes blacks from those positions. Sort of like black QB's back in the day. Condridge Hollaway had a special on 30 for 30 about his situation.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 10:43:59 AM   
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At the risk of being redundant, if you KNOW that you can't, then you probably won't. If you think that you can you have a better chance. The limits are not as unbrekable as you indicate, as shown by our current president who claims to have graduated from Harvard. There are 2 myths cracked. Eric Holder from Columbia, and Columbia Law School, I realize has only made it as far as Attorney General. Condoleeza Rice Masters from Notre Dame. Clarence Thomas Legal Education at Yale, Colin Powell, MBA @ George Washington University.
You must be right there are no opportunities and nowhere to go in this country. Why can't you do what any of these folks did or do.


Yes, the success of a few mask the obstacles faced by the many and allow play of the exception cards.

ETA Public sector jobs in teaching and government have also given upward mobility to African Americans and now those jobs are under attack.. Systemic racism???

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 10:50:17 AM   
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Anyone else find it perversely entertaining that the thread seems to have evolved into a handful of (so far I know) white folks holding forth about how African Americans should feel about their own history and prospects?


I wonder why you find it entertaining that white people have social views that might not match yours. Did you think it perversely amusing that Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were white civil rights activists in Mississippi in 1964?

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 11:00:05 AM   
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People outside the southern US see two black people in their life prior to adulthood, if that. But they need a class field trip for the experience. Unless you were in Boston in the '70s, where police escort of buses was required due to parents' throwing bricks at the buses. So, how's it going up there, upstate NY? Massachusetts? What say you, Europe? Yes, THOSE, all the aforementioned, are the white folks we really need to listen to in this matter, innit? Listen up, black people.


Not true, Edwynn, many schools were integrated in the North. There were two huge Black northward migrations, each attending factory jobs during each World War. If anything, the South was emptying of black population in the first 70 years of the 20th C

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 11:01:04 AM   
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People outside the southern US see two black people in their life prior to adulthood, if that. But they need a class field trip for the experience. Unless you were in Boston in the '70s, where police escort of buses was required due to parents' throwing bricks at the buses. So, how's it going up there, upstate NY? Massachusetts? What say you, Europe? Yes, THOSE, all the aforementioned, are the white folks we really need to listen to in this matter, innit? Listen up, black people.


Not true, Edwynn, many schools were integrated in the North. There were two huge Black northward migrations, each attending factory jobs during each World War. If anything, the South was emptying of black population in the first 70 years of the 20th C


What? Dude, I am from DETROIT.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 11:03:16 AM   
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People outside the southern US see two black people in their life prior to adulthood, if that. But they need a class field trip for the experience. Unless you were in Boston in the '70s, where police escort of buses was required due to parents' throwing bricks at the buses. So, how's it going up there, upstate NY? Massachusetts? What say you, Europe? Yes, THOSE, all the aforementioned, are the white folks we really need to listen to in this matter, innit? Listen up, black people.


Not true, Edwynn, many schools were integrated in the North. There were two huge Black northward migrations, each attending factory jobs during each World War. If anything, the South was emptying of black population in the first 70 years of the 20th C


What? Dude, I am from DETROIT.


Was common in New Jersey where I grew up. Maybe your education took place after white flight to the burbs. I am an old dude, after all. Not young like you.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 3:08:34 PM   
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Your post doesnt even come close to addressing the point. Simply put, blacks do more jail time for the same or lesser crime, with a similar criminal record. Your error wasnt missing my post, it is more your continued ignorance of facts.


Politesub, I respect your opinion. Yours has been one I've listened to over the years...I'd hope that you'd listen to mine as well.

I get about 70 magazines a month...most I don't pay for because I advertise in many, I read about 40% of them, but the ones that I do read (it's not all that important to list them) are fairly interesting...the ones I tend towards are generally economics types.

My Mom raised me to be a fair minded person, always opening doors for women, respecting others rights....and I think 98% of it sunk in, with the rest being abridged by personal experience.

I'm 53 now...soon (weeks) to be 54...I've seen a few things (others have as well). In my youth I started businesses (simple things as basic as car detailing...all the way up to current stuff selling to {currently} 20 some countries)...and of course, local businesses, still carrying my mortgage...construction...a stable business even as it has its ups and downs.

I started my first business when I was 17...it's still in operation, and the largest in the group.

And along the way I've read incessantly. I didn't do all that well in school, largely because I didn't give a shit...but since...I do, and have.

And, stuck in airports and airplanes, I've read even more. I love information.

It doesn't make me a Brainiac by any stretch any more than eating makes one capable of discerning one's health.

But it does open one's mind.

In the early to mid 80's there was a magazine called "Savvy"...a woman's magazine, focused on women's issues.

Written by women.

One of the articles that struck me was one about the "Glass Ceiling".

Written by a woman.

In it the author stated that (through her research) women when promoted don't tend to bring women with them (as they rise through the ranks)...they tend to bring men up through the ranks, behind and beside them. (For the record...see below....that hasn't changed).

They also tend to take years off to raise children (which men don't tend to do), ergo, lose the challenges and knowledge gained by....being in the game...and when brought back into the game, have more "catch up" to do to get....back in the game.

And by the way...the current (on your newstands as of last Friday) "Atlantic" magazine (not a woman's magazine...but a very studious one and well respected...the article was ALSO written by a woman) has an article about "why women can't have it all" makes the exact same case, albeit a bit more lengthy in its prose. You can purchase it any time this week if you like.

Is there prejudice against women in corporate America? Sure...no debate...most of which is based on the above...the assumption is that they've lost valuable skills. The truth is, many women have gained incredible skills along the way...social skills that men will never acquire, even if they spent the next 100 years doing so.

Do women have a lot to offer even assuming that the above is true? My God man...the best workers in my office are women!

Surely that's sexist? Of course it is!

If I say that women are the best workers...that suggests by default that others (non women) are then therefore...less so.

It's math.

Surely I'm an asshole then.

I must be.

And I must be then therefore for saying that statistically, Asians do better in society (financially) than whites, and you can then follow the trend wherever you want down the path of success or failure.

It's a fact....try harder...do better.

"Your error wasnt missing my post, it is more your continued ignorance of facts."

I hope I'm not ignorant...I try incredibly hard not to be but....when you say things like "Simply put, blacks do more jail time for the same or lesser crime, with a similar criminal record"....and then couch it with "Your error wasnt missing my post, it is more your continued ignorance of facts."...

I have to say....(I hope) I'm not ignorant of the facts, nor am I ignorant of the truth in so much as...when someone finds themselves in a scenario wherein that which what they do gets them in trouble more often than others.....

STOP DOING THAT SHIT!!!!

Do something else!

If blacks are spending more time in jail pursuant to their representation in the Census.....

STOP DOING THAT SHIT!!!!

Asians are UNDER REPRESENTED in prisons as to their current % of population. Am I a racist for saying that Asians are less likely to be problematic to society....to be a cost?

I don't give a shit if you're Asian, Black, Norwegian or Lithuanian.

If you spend more time in jail than other people who are as a % of the population....not your group.....

STOP DOING THAT SHIT!!!!

Do something that doesn't put you in that representation!

The women in my office make 20% more than the average in our area...I'm not benevolent at all...they're simply worth every penny and more. The average health care coverage in the U.S. is about 65% (the other 35% don't offer health care of any kind,,,it's a bit pricey as most newspapers have adjudicated) and those that do...pay 70% or less of the employee premium. My staff enjoys 100% paid health care. I pay every penny except for their co-pays.

When I was 19 years old, I looked 12, but I was in business, and to stay in business I needed customers. That meant that, if most of these folks wouldn't deal with me because a) I was the new kid on the block and b) I looked like an amoeba, I had to try harder than anyone else...even though I was farrrrrrrr more capable than most of my competition.

My (future) customers just didn't know it yet. (Now they do).

I had to work easily 5 times harder to prove my worth.

I didn't bitch, even though it was patently unfair that these older guys (my age now) who had the "Old Boys Network" going on....handing out a good bottle of whiskey at Christmas (remember, this was the early 80's, the last vestiges of the old boys network) could outpace me with a few handshakes and...I worked harder than any of those pricks who thought they could bury me.

And I did. And they're buried and gone.

Today my firm is the oldest and largest in our metro area....which is not at all to say I conquered all.

I'm not trying to brag...forgive me if that's what came across....what I was trying to say was....if you want it, I don't give a shit if your IQ is that of a bad brake lining (and mine's fairly close to that)...anyone can do "it".

You just have to want "it".

If you are 6 times more likely to be thrown in jail, as unfortunate and wrong as that most absolutely is....whether you're black, a woman, aborigine, irish, indian, a tomato, or a sasquatch.....

Try 9 times harder to win.

It's that simple.

Win.

(Winning is much better and....it doesn't require 1/20th the effort of bitching about why you can't win).

Because you can.

Succeed, that is.

If you truly want to.

Except for aneurisms or incapacity of some form....you can.

Succeed.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 4:34:41 PM   
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Fair points Lookie but you miss one thing. The system is inherently biased, as it was here in the UK a decade or two ago. The link I posted cleary says "Blacks get longer sentences for the same crimes, even with similar or lesser criminal records." That cant be right, and is also not the same argument as you are making (Stop doing the crime) Its clearly the result of a biased system.

With regards to employment I am under the impression quotas based on race are illegal in the US, as well as over here. Thats not the same as trying to encourage more black people to join professions they wouldnt have joint a few decades ago.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 5:09:21 PM   
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Fair points Lookie but you miss one thing. The system is inherently biased, as it was here in the UK a decade or two ago. The link I posted cleary says "Blacks get longer sentences for the same crimes, even with similar or lesser criminal records." That cant be right, and is also not the same argument as you are making (Stop doing the crime) Its clearly the result of a biased system.

With regards to employment I am under the impression quotas based on race are illegal in the US, as well as over here. Thats not the same as trying to encourage more black people to join professions they wouldnt have joint a few decades ago.


I can't disagree that blacks are more likely to be racially profiled anymore than women are more likely to be offered a lesser wage.

If you're a woman, bring qualified women with you when you get promoted....not men. That will get more women in the board room. Disregard the men that are "holding you back".

(They're just not...on the whole).

If you are 6 times more likely to be in front of a judge for similar crimes than others and end up with significantly more jail time....save your drug money as a % of doing business and hire better lawyers or....stop doing shit more often than those who spend less time in jail that will tend to land you in jail.

And by the way...if the system is rigged (as it was when I started my career in commerce...as it is for everyone getting started...old boys club)....work harder.

Do fewer stupid things.

No racism at all. Stop doing shit that puts you in a position to be where you don't want to be and....like me as a child, in business....work harder than anyone else, even though it's patently unfair that you should have to.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 7:00:19 PM   
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Anyone else find it perversely entertaining that the thread seems to have evolved into a handful of (so far I know) white folks holding forth about how African Americans should feel about their own history and prospects?


I wonder why you find it entertaining that white people have social views that might not match yours. Did you think it perversely amusing that Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were white civil rights activists in Mississippi in 1964?


Hmmm. Perhaps because my brain is fried after a way-too-long day at work, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or whether you're just lashing out as you sometimes seem to do.

Fwiw, I'm white myself. My sense of humor tends to be a bit twisted, and I found it sadly funny that my fellow white folks and I were holding forth about something we'll never come close to knowing firsthand: the experience of being African American in the U.S. I think it reflected an unthinking, unquestioned white arrogance to assume that (a) everyone should see the world as we do and (b) everyone encountered the same "playing field" that we did. To borrow from Rhett Butler (ironic choice, I know), I'm sorry if the truth offends you.

I was aware that there were white members of the Civil Rights movement, and I had the good fortune of knowing one of them. He was a priest at my church.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 9:32:09 PM   
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I admit that i am not a college football fan, and the following info may not meet your requisites of "Leading program in the highest reaches of College football" but i perused google and found the following article. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/22/1645819/black-college-football-head
Whether or not this answers your question, in my point of view it is a start, and imho, your point is quite valid that it took this way too long to start. This article seems to have been written after, and possibly in response to the Condridge Hollaway segment you cited. I can't remember who I am quoting, but sometimes you have to take your wins a couple of yards at a time. Sometmes it comes down to inches.
Is there a suggestion of racism? why not. Could it be that the Intelligentsia don't give a rat's ass about the Athletic departments other than ad revenues perhaps that too. Maybe it is defensive jealousy. If you (generically) showed us up on the playing field over the past 50 years, do you think I (head coaching staff)am going to give up ground for my cushy and profitable office. I (Generic head coaching staff) am not relinquishing this field easily.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 9:36:55 PM   
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That is a bit of a stretch. Union rules, almost any business, actually, Last in, first out in economic turmoils. Shool rules are generally stong this way, older teachers are further protected by tenure.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/17/2012 11:08:34 PM   
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actually not to mask anything, or to play cards, simply to say that somehow some folks have found ways to do what could never be done. I had found more, but had thought this was enough to prove the point. Clueless once more, I guess.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/18/2012 4:55:37 AM   
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It is a shame that I had to find out the hard way about bias in the criminal system!

My son at the time this happen he was 14, a young friend of his had been breaking into
a apartment for some weeks!

This young boy decide that he would bring my son along with him on his next break-in!

He told my son come their are "comics"inside, my son did not go in at all! I asked him why
he did not go in with him, he said a voice told him not to go! Now I believe my dear mother came
to him and give him that message!

This young man had been in this apartment for sometime! When he was caught they arrested my son
as well as this young boy my son had a shoe lace and a checkbook, he told my other son who happens to be older!

My older son did the right things and turn it in along with my son to a police men!

Now this is when and where the story turns into a nightmare! They found this young boys finger prints all over the apartment!
They did not find not one of my son's!

Without talking to or with me they give my son 2 years probation, the young boy who happen to be white and mexican, he did not
have the features that would show his Mexican side, they give him 3 month probation!

Mind you he was there for more then 10 times going in and out at will! My son was outside and would not go in , also he was not near the building
as a look out!

I am lucky I know that this was not a fair thing to do! If my son were to do anything in those 2 years he would had went to jail!

I made a call that day to the DA office and plain speaking I told the woman I spoke to " Do you wish to be sue?" Her answer was no, the
young boy had set his house on fire, show violence towards his mother!

They looked into his home life and saw horror and some abuse she drink heavily, they did the right thing! He was given 2 years probation, my
son was given 3 months!

If mothers , parents in general look at what is doing on with their children and know what is the right balance of a given probation
we would not have so many injustices toward mexicans , black and Asian young boys and girls they would learn that it is true but sad
they do give higher sentences to the groups I have mention above but for the same crimes that white do they are given so much less time!

It is also true to point out that many crimes that are redone such as murder it is done by white, because they did not have the whole
weight of the justices system on them when they first did the crime they were given little or no time at all, please check the facts please!

I am one who see myself as a person not a skin color, I have never been into the race fight but when someone mention something that the facts
will speak for their selves read and learn, it will not lie! Before I come to write something I have had life experiences to at least try and prove my
side of the point!

I do not go to statistic I have as I wrote just now life moments, seen and been there!

thanks for listening

mons

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