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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Well, actually, the guy who started B.E.T. kinda came a smidge before 1999....but, let's not let facts, again, interfere with a good argument.

Is BET a Fortune 500 company? That's what the quoted text was talking about.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I`m so glad Mittens stepped up and acknowledged that the African American community suffers disproportionately more than other Americans....thus starting a long needed discussion as to why this is so.A bit late but any sincere discussion is welcome.


For example.....black children suffer 4 times more from asthma and disproportionately more from many other illnesses.


This kind of disproportionate suffering by African Americans is historic and age-old.....certainly not as the kooks are implying...that it`s b/c of Barack Obama that blacks suffer more....

So......why do blacks suffer more,gain less and do worse than other Americans?

I hope that it`s a serious discussion and don`t include brutal insults, like the ones Mitt made.

That's just crap. So is all the blather about how black men are "disproportionately" locked up in prison.

Here's the deal folks, and I've already posted all the links in previous posts (by others) claiming that blacks are disproportionately (anything/everything/all things)...they commit more crimes.

It's math.

Yes, they're picked on by society so....here's a thought.....do less things that get you picked on (let the hate mail begin).

The truth is, we need to quit all being PC and stop hiding behind the facts.

Every damned govt. program since the early 60's has been predicated on finding a way to help those who "can't seem to help themselves".

You think I'm talking about blacks don't you?

I'm not...but the govt. is and has.

I'm talking about the exact same programs that the NAACP said in the early 60's were the "minimum required" to lift young blacks up....those same programs were listed by blacks in the late 90's as the exact programs that the white man was using to keep blacks down.

I'll say it again as I've said before...I hire all races, and those that do well...do better...those that don't, regardless of color (in spite of color)....get fired.

Domino's Pizza about 7 - 10 years ago hired some whiz kid programmer to determine where the bad neighborhoods were in Los Angeles.

Based on ENTIRELY WHERE THEY HAD A HISTORY OF GETTING ROBBED!!!!!!

So....they decided no longer to deliver pizza's to those areas.

They were lambasted in the press and indeed, the Justice Department (the feds) not only said "you can't do that" but that it was illegal.

Fast forward to about 24 months ago (Future Crime) and the Los Angeles Police Department (not, I'll agree, well known for their integrity) now uses a computer program to not only tell them where crimes will likely happen, based on past realities (ergo...where to have more patrols), but amazingly....they're right. Now it's legal. Why? Because it proves true.

That's where crime tends to happen most (and elsewhere...less so).

I'll let you determine where those areas tend to be but....Reginald Denny and his crushed skull should come to mind.

Some of those areas start with a "C" and end with an "ompton".

Stop hating the facts.

Start changing the facts.

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

Let's not overlook the fact though that if the first was in 1999, and we have 6 active, then we are making some progress. I can only hope there will be more. When the day arrives that character and skill are the only qualities people are judged on, we will be in a very nice place. I'm sure there will always be pockets of bias, even if only at an individual level, but there will always be ignorance, disease, many things that we don't desire.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I`m so glad Mittens stepped up and acknowledged that the African American community suffers disproportionately more than other Americans....thus starting a long needed discussion as to why this is so.A bit late but any sincere discussion is welcome.


For example.....black children suffer 4 times more from asthma and disproportionately more from many other illnesses.


This kind of disproportionate suffering by African Americans is historic and age-old.....certainly not as the kooks are implying...that it`s b/c of Barack Obama that blacks suffer more....

So......why do blacks suffer more,gain less and do worse than other Americans?

I hope that it`s a serious discussion and don`t include brutal insults, like the ones Mitt made.

That's just crap. So is all the blather about how black men are "disproportionately" locked up in prison.

Here's the deal folks, and I've already posted all the links in previous posts (by others) claiming that blacks are disproportionately (anything/everything/all things)...they commit more crimes.

It's math.

Yes, they're picked on by society so....here's a thought.....do less things that get you picked on (let the hate mail begin).

The truth is, we need to quit all being PC and stop hiding behind the facts.

Every damned govt. program since the early 60's has been predicated on finding a way to help those who "can't seem to help themselves".

You think I'm talking about blacks don't you?

I'm not...but the govt. is and has.

I'm talking about the exact same programs that the NAACP said in the early 60's were the "minimum required" to lift young blacks up....those same programs were listed by blacks in the late 90's as the exact programs that the white man was using to keep blacks down.

I'll say it again as I've said before...I hire all races, and those that do well...do better...those that don't, regardless of color (in spite of color)....get fired.

Domino's Pizza about 7 - 10 years ago hired some whiz kid programmer to determine where the bad neighborhoods were in Los Angeles.

Based on ENTIRELY WHERE THEY HAD A HISTORY OF GETTING ROBBED!!!!!!

So....they decided no longer to deliver pizza's to those areas.

They were lambasted in the press and indeed, the Justice Department (the feds) not only said "you can't do that" but that it was illegal.

Fast forward to about 24 months ago (Future Crime) and the Los Angeles Police Department (not, I'll agree, well known for their integrity) now uses a computer program to not only tell them where crimes will likely happen, based on past realities (ergo...where to have more patrols), but amazingly....they're right. Now it's legal. Why? Because it proves true.

That's where crime tends to happen most (and elsewhere...less so).

I'll let you determine where those areas tend to be but....Reginald Denny and his crushed skull should come to mind.

Some of those areas start with a "C" and end with an "ompton".

Stop hating the facts.

Start changing the facts.

So we`ll put you in the 'denial/ignorance/I don`t care/they deserve it' column.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Well, actually, the guy who started B.E.T. kinda came a smidge before 1999....but, let's not let facts, again, interfere with a good argument.

Is BET a Fortune 500 company? That's what the quoted text was talking about.

It was...it's no longer, it was acquired by Viacom (another Fortune 500 firm).

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Let's not overlook the fact though that if the first was in 1999, and we have 6 active, then we are making some progress. I can only hope there will be more. When the day arrives that character and skill are the only qualities people are judged on, we will be in a very nice place. I'm sure there will always be pockets of bias, even if only at an individual level, but there will always be ignorance, disease, many things that we don't desire.

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From your link:

The "Fortune 500" is a list of the 500 largest companies in the United States as compiled by Fortune magazine. Only 13 black executives have ever made it to the Chairman or CEO position of a "Fortune 500" listed company. Of these 13 executives, there are currently 6 active. Franklin Raines became the first black person to lead a "Fortune 500" company, when he became CEO of Fannie Mae in 1999.

Only 13 in all of American history. And the first wasn't till 1999.

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

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From your link:

The "Fortune 500" is a list of the 500 largest companies in the United States as compiled by Fortune magazine. Only 13 black executives have ever made it to the Chairman or CEO position of a "Fortune 500" listed company. Of these 13 executives, there are currently 6 active. Franklin Raines became the first black person to lead a "Fortune 500" company, when he became CEO of Fannie Mae in 1999.

Only 13 in all of American history. And the first wasn't till 1999.

a number of years ago (probably army time again late 70's or so) the percentage of African Americans in the US was approximately 12 percent of the population. At that point this conversation would have been ridiculous. At this point there are 13 African American CEO's in Fortune 500 companies that makes it 6.5 percent. As I said before, it doesn't happen overnight, but not too bad for 30 years on my part to 14 years on your part or is someone supposed to become a CEO overnight?

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


Emphasis mine. Of the 13, only six are active currently (or whenever the website to which you linked was last updated). That's 1.2 percent of 500.

Given that the first black slaves arrived in Virginia in 1619, I can understand a bit of impatience with the rate of progress.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
I agree that it's good to celebrate progress, and I think "What went right?" is one of the most important, and overlooked, questions in history.

But I also think that failing to grasp why America's racial history, and the ways in which it shapes us still, might anger an African American suggests a certain cluelessness.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I`m so glad Mittens stepped up and acknowledged that the African American community suffers disproportionately more than other Americans....thus starting a long needed discussion as to why this is so.A bit late but any sincere discussion is welcome.


For example.....black children suffer 4 times more from asthma and disproportionately more from many other illnesses.


This kind of disproportionate suffering by African Americans is historic and age-old.....certainly not as the kooks are implying...that it`s b/c of Barack Obama that blacks suffer more....

So......why do blacks suffer more,gain less and do worse than other Americans?

I hope that it`s a serious discussion and don`t include brutal insults, like the ones Mitt made.

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Sorry but there are more white people on AFDC than black people. That isn't exactly our own "playing" Field....

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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Another recent study in 2012 counters this by revealing that even when hispanic whites are separated from non-hispanic whites in calculating sentencing rates per arrest and conviction, hispanics and blacks still receive considerably longer sentences for the same or lesser offenses per average than white offenders with equal or greater criminal records

Lookie, got any facts to back up your continued racist crap. The above was easy enough to find, note the last part.

Sorry, I missed that...my error.

Blacks commit more crimes than whites. It's in the FBI stats (and most others). Asians commit fewer crimes than whites (also in the stats).

Wanna do shitloads of crimes (if white people are better served by justice)....put some money in the bank and hire better lawyers.

Wanna sell tons of drugs (black/white/otherwise)? Get a better attorney...the money's there.

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a number of years ago (probably army time again late 70's or so) the percentage of African Americans in the US was approximately 12 percent of the population. At that point this conversation would have been ridiculous. At this point there are 13 African American CEO's in Fortune 500 companies that makes it 6.5 percent. As I said before, it doesn't happen overnight, but not too bad for 30 years on my part to 14 years on your part or is someone supposed to become a CEO overnight?

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This is an excerpt from a thought provoking piece on US prisons in the "New Yorker" titled 'The Caging of America':