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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 4:57:01 PM   
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Still waiting for you to supply us with your defintion of social engineering.


From Wiki, social engineering (political science)
Social engineering is a discipline in political science that refers to efforts to influence popular attitudes and social behaviors on a large scale, whether by governments or private groups. In the political arena, the counterpart of social engineering is political engineering.

The term is most often used by, on the one hand libertarians and free-market thinkers, and, on the other, social and cultural traditionalists as a criticism of those who propose to use law, tax policy, or other kinds of state influence to attempt to modify or altogether transform existing social mores or power relationships (actual or perceived): for instance, between men and women, or between different ethnic groups

Not my definition. I did not define it. But I basically agree.

Now, dear thompsonx, have you learned anything?


It would appear that by that definition and your opposition to social engineering that you are against the freeing of the slaves,womens sufferage,birth control,...aint you just a lil sweet heart.



My are you dense.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 4:58:39 PM   
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Ok, thompsonx you might laugh at me, but I am going to take you by the ear and put you in the corner until you calm down. You are having a temper tantrum. What you are exercising is not free speech.



Perhaps you might enjoy taking your meals through a straw.



Shocking!

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:12:56 PM   
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Ok, thompsonx you might laugh at me, but I am going to take you by the ear and put you in the corner until you calm down. You are having a temper tantrum. What you are exercising is not free speech.



Perhaps you might enjoy taking your meals through a straw.


Be it known that thompsonx just visited my profile. No doubt with the interest of carrying out his threat.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:13:28 PM   
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It's not the taxes themselves that cause grief, it's implementation.

The government tightens laws and people find loopholes. The simplest methods would probably disturb the games played by individuals when set against "the will of the masses". Example (and I'm not citing this as realistic): all transactions go through a process which allows them to be kept in a central storage facility for equitable measurement and taxation. Ignoring the privacy cries I'm sure that idea would provoke for a moment, when everyone has access to the same information, there's no room for debate, and the process is reduced to basic math. The idea is simple, could be instituted without outrageous expense (the technology is already there - online transactions), and the negative side is that it would require trust.

People (and governments) cause more grief than money. The money is just a tool.


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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:14:26 PM   
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My are you dense.


[bAnother personal attack. Your lack of knowledge of the subject at hand is obvious.
From your link:
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for instance, between men and women, or between different ethnic groups


The government social engineered womens sufferage...do you deny that? You state you are against social engineering so by your own words you are against womens sufferage. The government social engineered citizenship for blacks...do you deny that???again you say you are against social engineering and thus you are against citizenship for blacks.
How is it that you cannot understand what you post?

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:16:01 PM   
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My are you dense.


Another personal attack.


An observation.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:16:53 PM   
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Ok, thompsonx you might laugh at me, but I am going to take you by the ear and put you in the corner until you calm down. You are having a temper tantrum. What you are exercising is not free speech.



Perhaps you might enjoy taking your meals through a straw.


Be it known that thompsonx just visited my profile. No doubt with the interest of carrying out his threat.



You are the one who has threatened physical violence against my person. I have inquired about your eating habits.
Please pay attention to what I say.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:17:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		thompsonx your conduct is unlawful and badly reflects upon this community. Be gone.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:18:03 PM   
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My are you dense.


Another personal attack.


An observation.


Perhaps we might consult the wisdom of a mod?

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:19:42 PM   
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thompsonx your conduct is unlawful and badly reflects upon this community. Be gone.


Until you acquire mod status you may place your opinions in a box and label it shit that I do not care about.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:20:00 PM   
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From your link:
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for instance, between men and women, or between different ethnic groups



You idiot. Also from the link and what I posted which is within the topic at hand...

those who propose to use law, tax policy, or other kinds of state influence

Here, have a biscuit.






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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:22:20 PM   
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thompsonx your conduct is unlawful and badly reflects upon this community. Be gone.


Until you acquire mod status you may place your opinions in a box and label it shit that I do not care about.


thompsonx I am ordering you to cease and desist.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:23:46 PM   
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From your link:
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for instance, between men and women, or between different ethnic groups



You idiot. Also from the link and what I posted which is within the topic at hand...

those who propose to use law, tax policy, or other kinds of state influence

Here, have a biscuit.


Most would agree that the ammendments to the constitution are law...would that not come under the heading of state influence?
It would appear that the "idiocracy" is in your post.







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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:26:42 PM   
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thompsonx your conduct is unlawful and badly reflects upon this community. Be gone.


Until you acquire mod status you may place your opinions in a box and label it shit that I do not care about.


thompsonx I am ordering you to cease and desist.



Perhaps you might hold your breath until your order is obeyed?

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:51:18 PM   
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thompsonx your conduct is unlawful and badly reflects upon this community. Be gone.



Your post is off topic. If you wish to complain, might I direct you to the mods. That is why they are here.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:56:29 PM   
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I loath taxes though I accept a certain level as societal needs. I totally believe that any tax should be avoidable. Thus no tax may be imposed at the point of a gun.




This statement is inconsistant. On the one hand you agree that paying taxes is necessary but then you go on to say that you would find a way to avoid doing what you say is necessary.
Do you feel others should pay and not you?
Or:
Do you feel that no one should pay?
Or:
Is this one of those statements that you post that finds you with both feet in your mouth at the same time?

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 5:57:08 PM   
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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 6:01:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not have any direct fear of taxes. I did have a house sold at a sheriff's auction because the clerk at the county treasurer could not be bothered to check the proper address. I am a tax payer, but it did not count for anything when the county auctioned off my house. It certainly did not matter to the new buyer. I believe that if you are going to tax someone for their property in perpetuity then there should be some mechanisms to correct obvious mistakes without getting a lawyer and going to court. It is not a fear of taxes, it is the issue that those who support high taxes refuse to acknowledge that there are indeed negative impacts to such policies. The other thing is they tend to completely ignore the confiscatory nature of taxation. Confiscatory Tax Policy applies downward pressure. You can not create more wealth through division. Outside of those two points Taxes are clearly necessary, they are just not necessarily good.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 6:04:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		We pay taxes so that we may call upon the police.

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RE: Why do we fear taxes? - 7/18/2012 6:13:38 PM   
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We pay taxes so that we may call upon the police.


What may the average citizen demand from the police?
Before answering you might want to look at deshaney v. winnibago.

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