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Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:36:56 PM)
No, you fantasized that from nothing I wrote whatsoever.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:42:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery No, you fantasized that from nothing I wrote whatsoever. You are overreacting. It is like you feel persecuted. Do you feel persecuted? I thought we were making progress.

Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:43:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery No, you fantasized that from nothing I wrote whatsoever. You are overreacting. It is like you feel persecuted. Do you feel persecuted? I thought we were making progress. You are fantasizing that as well. You're also projecting.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:47:28 PM)
Musicmystery you are an intelligent fellow and I respect that, but you are a wee bit too, how should I put it, argumentative.

Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:53:26 PM)
No, you infer arguments wherever you go. You start by saying "So what you're say is _______" and put in the blank a HUGE leap from anything I said, and then pout when I decline to discuss what I never said in the first place. Frankly, that's prudent behavior on my part. I don't attend every argument I'm invited to. Your OP itself is a loaded question, a leap in logic yourself to assume "we fear taxes." Discussion with you is largely pointless for similar reasons. You simply leap randomly to unsupported tangents. Most of the conversation is you talking to yourself. Now you want to project that on others when they don't choose to play with you.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:56:39 PM)
It's like you are on edge, you make excessively strong denials.

Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 3:58:00 PM)
Okie dokie then. Have fun.

thompsonx -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 5:51:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Okie dokie then. Have fun. I got him to beg for help in blocking me in less than six postings...You clearly are not trying tim.

Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 5:54:41 PM)
LOL! True, I'm not.

Real0ne -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 10:49:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Your OP itself is a loaded question, a leap in logic yourself to assume "we fear taxes." Since the power to tax is the power to destroy only a complete loonartik would not fear taxes. So it would not surprise me if you did not fear taxes and paying for unrealized gains et al.

Real0ne -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 10:53:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM It is my understanding that we experience a modest rate of inflation intentionally according to Keynesian economics in order to minimize unemployment. It is a pressure to keep working. People who have retired cannot keep working and so it hits them the hardest. Who would benefit the most from this? That is a good question. Does it benefit the wealth and the poor equally? Does it benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Does it benefit the poor more than the wealth? At around the time of the Nixon administration the Keynesian economic model was failing. People turned to the free market system and government deregulation as the answer. I don't think anyone actually figured out why the Keynesian economic model was failing which is disturbing to me. It suggests that none of these people actually know what they are doing. well this is what a modest rate of inflation translates into. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/USD_Graph.jpg[/image]

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 10:56:42 PM)
If you have not already noticed Real0ne, not everyone here is real bright. You may need to take it slow. Please elaborate.

Real0ne -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/21/2012 11:12:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: inflation benefits the wealthy Quite the opposite. bullshit inflation adds to the wealthy by being the first in line hence they receive the high value money and move to assets, while the people in the middle and bottom get the cheap money. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Inflation devalues money, taking purchasing power away from those with saved dollars. at least my pounding on you for the last 3 years about the effects of inflation did some good but I see you still do not understand the system or you would have at least gotten part one correct. ModernMoneyMechanics

Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 6:31:13 AM)
Your positions are contradictory, "Bright" One. Inflation takes value away from those with money. That's the wealthy. That's why in the 1890s populists were pushing for free coinage of silver--to inflate the currency and undermine the power of wealthy industrialists.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 9:29:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well this is what a modest rate of inflation translates into. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/USD_Graph.jpg[/image] Terrific visual! This is something I wonder about: It seems possible to me that inflation due to the banking system is like a green house gas that is messing up our ecosystem. It is like we are experiencing global warming in the global financial market via the same mechanism that is causing the real global warming.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 9:45:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM I gather from what you wrote that what you are saying is we fear paying taxes because we fear being bribed by our Congressmen? I feel a good point is being raised here. What we fear is inequity. Trickle down may not work. Hence, the society is taking a risk when it raises taxes. The risk is that it isn't going to work out for everyone's benefit.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 10:24:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM I gather from what you wrote that what you are saying is we fear paying taxes because we fear being bribed by our Congressmen? I feel a good point is being raised here. What we fear is inequity. Trickle down may not work. Hence, the society is taking a risk when it raises taxes. The risk is that it isn't going to work out for everyone's benefit. Might the opposite also be true? Yes, I suppose so. Failure to raise taxes I suppose could have the same effect, something that causes us to assume risk since there is a natural tendency for inequity. Given this it seems possible that some/many who oppose taxes, oppose taxes for the same reason that some/many advocate taxes. Hence, these two opposing groups might share a common concern. Such a realization is often useful in negotiation. Same concern, but betting in opposing directions, perhaps at random because no one individual understands the problem fully.

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 10:29:21 AM)
Crowdsource it!

BenevolentM -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 10:33:48 AM)
I handed it to you on a silver plater Musicmystery and you denied it.

Real0ne -> RE: Why do we fear taxes? (7/22/2012 10:44:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM I gather from what you wrote that what you are saying is we fear paying taxes because we fear being bribed by our Congressmen? I feel a good point is being raised here. What we fear is inequity. Trickle down may not work. Hence, the society is taking a risk when it raises taxes. The risk is that it isn't going to work out for everyone's benefit. Might the opposite also be true? Yes, I suppose so. Failure to raise taxes I suppose could have the same effect, something that causes us to assume risk since there is a natural tendency for inequity. Given this it seems possible that some/many who oppose taxes, oppose taxes for the same reason that some/many advocate taxes. Hence, these two opposing groups might share a common concern. Such a realization is often useful in negotiation. Same concern, but betting in opposing directions, perhaps at random because no one individual understands the problem fully. raising anything is a result of compensating for inflation. the stock market goes up and down as a matter of inflation more than ANYTHING else. Jefferson warned us about it as he signed the paperwork! LOL Like everyone else who has famous words, they warn us about the dangers coming from their actions! Then we quote it for 100 years rather than placing the blame squarely where it belongs. Its the american way!

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