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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 10:26:14 PM

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My heart goes out to the injured, the families of the lost, and all that were effected by this tragedy.

It is such a shame that people can't stop themselves from using this event to push their own agenda.

What ever happened to giving people time to grieve?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 10:56:24 PM

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I cannot imagine facing this horror. Fortunately I've never had to. I don't really know if I'm on the gun control side or the guns for everyone side. I know I've never heard of a tradgedy such as this at a, say, shooting range. So it must not be the proliference of guns in our society that makes these senseless crimes. Guns have been around for centuries but only the past 20-30 years have we seen such horrific tragedies.
Mental breakdown of some sort? Certainly. If I was the defense attorney for this individual, I would stand up and say, he walked into a theatre and blew away 12 souls and tried to blow away another 50 or so, and I would sit down and say "the defense rests. Anyone who would even think of doing this kind of thing is surely insane."
Why has this kind of violence arisen in these last 25-30 years? Seems most who perpetrate these attacks are teens and early 20's. Is it because the ability to grasp consequences of one's actons doesn't fully develop in humans until around age 25?. Also seems that those who perpetrate these crimes have some level of intelligence. From what I've read all who have gone on these killing sprees are "loners."
Maybe curtailing access to guns would reduce the possibility of these horrendous events from happening. Perhaps access to guns should be limited to those over age 25. There is enough research on human brain development to know that the frontal cortex, which is the area of the brain that holds the keys to action consequences, is the last to develop fully.
Who/What IS to blame? Video games featuring shoot-em-up themes? Movie and television violence? Lack of parental bonding, or lack of self discipline? All probably play some role but most who play violent video games do not kill in real life. Most who watch violent movies and television do not kill.
Where are the answers? Senseless is after all ..... senseless.
I have no desire to take the right to bear arms away from the citizenry. The second amendment to the constitution of the United States of America was put in place to protect the citizenry from it's own government, as well as as any threat to the home and/or family. It has become so twisted now though.
On the other side it is righfully argued that guns do not kill people, people with guns kill people. I've never heard of a gun going on a killing spree all by it's self.
This is a serious conundrum. Weapons policies only keep law abiding citizens in check, not criminals.
People who are much smarter than I can't figure out how to stop this. There are now 350 million people in America. The number of "killers' in this sence of the term can be counted on hands and toes.
Is it societal? NO. It is individual. It IS sad that one individual can cause so much destruction.
I find some solace though, as a believer in Heaven, that those who were murdered are in a better place.
My heart just aches uncontrollably that these kinds of things happen, with seemingly greater and greater frequency.
I have no answers, I just had to comment. Thank you for reading.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 11:05:43 PM

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I am actually impressed by his operational prowess. I didn't think anyone that age could hatch a plot, garner numerous illegal components without buying from an undercover Fed (where the hell did he get a 100 round AR-15 drum magazine?), and most impressively he didn't Tweet about it prior to executing the plot. The Jersey Shore generation may have just lost one of the few it had that could do something even if it was rotten. Fuck gun control. Anyone willing to risk a 10 year mandatory Federal sentence for that 100 round drum magazine has already broken an existing law. And to any internet tough guy who thought if some people were packing in the theater it might have helped....would you have pulled your .38 standing in front of him?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 11:17:18 PM

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So I saw this on my tweet tonight when I got home and it's between a local newspaper reporter and someone from the Brady Campaign. I'm not saying I'm for or against guns...just thought I'd throw this out:

Brady Campaign: In 1 year, GUNS murdered 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States.

Reporter: Regardless of your feeling about guns, the numbers in that last tweet are just staggering. When I was in England (and later Ireland) for that job-swap deal a few years ago, I got asked so many questions about guns in America. Cops there told me guns were so hard to come across that gang members reconfigured starter pistols and re-used spent casings .

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 11:19:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sepultura

I am actually impressed by his operational prowess. I didn't think anyone that age could hatch a plot, garner numerous illegal components without buying from an undercover Fed (where the hell did he get a 100 round AR-15 drum magazine?), and most impressively he didn't Tweet about it prior to executing the plot. The Jersey Shore generation may have just lost one of the few it had that could do something even if it was rotten. Fuck gun control. Anyone willing to risk a 10 year mandatory Federal sentence for that 100 round drum magazine has already broken an existing law. And to any internet tough guy who thought if some people were packing in the theater it might have helped....would you have pulled your .38 standing in front of him?

He actually made a profile on Adult Friend Finder about 3 days ago or so and his headline was "Will you visit me in prison?". The complete profile was pasted on cnn.com today and the kid is just creepy or something.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 11:38:31 PM

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and the kid is just creepy or something.

ya think?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 4:44:41 AM

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Not really. Canada has the same murder rate by percentage as the US. Yes, the number of gun deaths are lower than the US, but the rates of death by stabbing or beating are higher.

There were 554 murders in canada in 2010 (60 million people) http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal01-eng.htm

All methods 554
Shooting 170
Stabbing 164
Beating 117
Strangulation 41
Fire (burns/suffocation) 11
Other methods1 31
Not known 20

There were 8,775 in the US in 2010 (300 million people.) Just with firearms, 12,996 murders
Knives 1,704
Blunt Objects 540
Personal(beating) 742
Poison11
Thrown out of window 3
Explosives 4
Fire 74
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl11.xls

Im not happy with the rates for canada, but they are not the same or higher, Right now, here in TO we have had a bunch of murders, as I posted earlier with another five deaths this week. More since in june and july than all months put together so far this year.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 4:48:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sepultura
And to any internet tough guy who thought if some people were packing in the theater it might have helped....would you have pulled your .38 standing in front of him?

It is prey nature to either flee away from danger or to become immobile and thereby hopefully not noticed. However, in these situations those are precisely the wrong reactions. The thing to do is to keep moving and to rush the attacker. If he is buried beneath ten people he will not do a lot of shooting any more.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 5:03:56 AM

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Not what you were asked. Would you have done anything (rushed him, pulled your own gun, waved your uncircumcised cock at him and called him a jew, whatever) or just sat quietly shitting yourself and hoping that he didn't notice you?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 6:17:36 AM

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Canada has the same murder rate by percentage as the US. Yes, the number of gun deaths are lower than the US, but the rates of death by stabbing or beating are higher.

The data that Lucylastic presented above show that the US had 23 times more murders than Canada in 2010, which, adjusting for the respective populations, is almost 5 times the per capita murder rate of Canada. 10 times if you look only at firearms.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 8:08:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

My heart goes out to the injured, the families of the lost, and all that were effected by this tragedy.

It is such a shame that people can't stop themselves from using this event to push their own agenda.

What ever happened to giving people time to grieve?

A desire to see some common sense national gun control laws put in place is not a simple "agenda" it is a national imperative.
In addition I sit here wondering just when some of you folks think it might be appropriate to have these conversations,seems to me that while the bodies are being put in the bags,and the wounds are being tended to is the only time such a conversation can be put forth in this gun crazy culture of ours.
The man walked into a theater with a perfectly legal Ar-15 assault rifle and you don't think gun control is an appropriate subject at this time ?
If not now .....when ?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 8:17:41 AM

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There ALREADY loads of gun control laws in place. How effective have they been?

adding MORE laws means nothing.

and as for THIS:

quote:

The man walked into a theater with a perfectly legal Ar-15 assault rifle and you don't think gun control is an appropriate subject at this time ?
If not now .....when ?

take it down to P&R.

FFS.....

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 9:02:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

There ALREADY loads of gun control laws in place. How effective have they been?

adding MORE laws means nothing.

and as for THIS:
quote:

The man walked into a theater with a perfectly legal Ar-15 assault rifle and you don't think gun control is an appropriate subject at this time ?
If not now .....when ?

take it down to P&R.

FFS.....

Plain bullshit,there are no comprehensive national gun laws....the NRA does not allow it.
In addition I am not aware that these posts of mine violate any TOS....so I think they will just stay here.
Now while you hold to the belief that there are loads of "gun control laws consider that this young man bought 2 glocks one shotgun and an Ar-15 assault weapon,along with scads and scads of ammunition within a 2month period without violating any of those loads of gun control laws you believe we presently have !

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 9:03:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Okeanos

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Canada has the same murder rate by percentage as the US. Yes, the number of gun deaths are lower than the US, but the rates of death by stabbing or beating are higher.

The data that Lucylastic presented above show that the US had 23 times more murders than Canada in 2010, which, adjusting for the respective populations, is almost 5 times the per capita murder rate of Canada. 10 times if you look only at firearms.

My apologies, I wrote the pop of canada is 60 million, when it is only 30 million, my bad, being a brit living in canada, I got confused with the two.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 9:30:40 AM

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My apologies, I wrote the pop of canada is 60 million, when it is only 30 million, my bad, being a brit living in canada, I got confused with the two.

ΟΚ, then the per capita murder rate of the US exceeds that of Canada only by a factor of 2.5. That's still very far from being about the same.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 9:45:33 AM

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Plain bullshit,there are no comprehensive national gun laws....the NRA does not allow it.

Word.

Would gun control work? In other industrialized nations, it works very well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 10:36:20 AM

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A desire to see some common sense national gun control laws put in place is not a simple "agenda" it is a national imperative.
In addition I sit here wondering just when some of you folks think it might be appropriate to have these conversations,seems to me that while the bodies are being put in the bags,and the wounds are being tended to is the only time such a conversation can be put forth in this gun crazy culture of ours.
The man walked into a theater with a perfectly legal Ar-15 assault rifle and you don't think gun control is an appropriate subject at this time ?
If not now .....when ?

Oh, I don't know, mike. Maybe we could give the families a chance to bury their dead first.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 10:37:15 AM

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 10:41:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

A desire to see some common sense national gun control laws put in place is not a simple "agenda" it is a national imperative.
In addition I sit here wondering just when some of you folks think it might be appropriate to have these conversations,seems to me that while the bodies are being put in the bags,and the wounds are being tended to is the only time such a conversation can be put forth in this gun crazy culture of ours.
The man walked into a theater with a perfectly legal Ar-15 assault rifle and you don't think gun control is an appropriate subject at this time ?
If not now .....when ?

Oh, I don't know, mike. Maybe we could give the families a chance to bury their dead first.

I'm sure the NRA would agree with you

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/21/2012 10:44:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

this

The NRA appreciates your support...and your willful ignorance !
I do apologize if that seems harsh,but your views on this matter are part of the problem....and do nothing but support the theory that there is nothing to do but suffer these tragedies as they occur.
I would rather not remain silent as the bodies drop.

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