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slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:27:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yet the colorado guy got his "legally", wasnt a criminal, in the eyes of the law, until thursday night. Ooops too late. MUCH too bloody late.





And he could have legally obtained the materials needed to block the theater exits not to mention some gas and a Bic lighter. So what......Oops, it would have been too bloody late for that too.


Well hell.why don't we try forcing these guys to do it that way for awhile...who knows they just might fuck up at it [8|]



slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:28:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

The point is more gun control won't stop idiots bent on mass murder. He would get the guns anyway or use another means.

Well hell,I say lets make him work a little harder at it,who knows he just might trip himself up before he does it ?



slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:31:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

What about getting guns on the black market ? Gun control won't stop anyone.


So the theater beefs up fire security. So then the guy uses a bomb or poison gas.

So once again,...You say it can't work,so letn not bother tryng.
You know its broke,but let us not try to fix it.
Does that about sum it up for you ?



slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:38:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Talk about dumb arguments Music, "legalize rape", "10 MPH speed limits", "$10,000 speeding tickets" sound pretty dumb to me.
Not a really good comparison.

My legitimate question still stands. After you ban an entire class of firearms which you say is a great start, what next after that ?


And you might try using a bit of logic yourself.

Pearls before swine comes to mind



slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:40:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Talk about dumb arguments Music, "legalize rape", "10 MPH speed limits", "$10,000 speeding tickets" sound pretty dumb to me.
Not a really good comparison.

My legitimate question still stands. After you ban an entire class of firearms which you say is a great start, what next after that ?


And you might try using a bit of logic yourself.

Nice try, but they're excellent comparisons because they exactly point out they are dumb.

Yet somehow, when we put "guns" in the same logic, suddenly it's smart.

You have thinking to do.

Singularly un-qualified ,don't get your hopes up



lovmuffin -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:44:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Talk about dumb arguments Music, "legalize rape", "10 MPH speed limits", "$10,000 speeding tickets" sound pretty dumb to me.
Not a really good comparison.

My legitimate question still stands. After you ban an entire class of firearms which you say is a great start, what next after that ?


And you might try using a bit of logic yourself.

Pearls before swine comes to mind



Oh good, more riddles from another jester.



lovmuffin -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 6:53:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

What about getting guns on the black market ? Gun control won't stop anyone.


So the theater beefs up fire security. So then the guy uses a bomb or poison gas.

So once again,...You say it can't work,so letn not bother tryng.
You know its broke,but let us not try to fix it.
Does that about sum it up for you ?



I'll sum it up for you, no gun owner with half the brain of a piss ant is going to turn in their guns for some stupid illogical feel good utopian fantasy you guys refer to as gun control.



ClassIsInSession -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:04:30 PM)

It seems the logic is for some kind of Pre-crime...watch your favorite Tom Cruise movie.

Guns are tools, just as surely as any other tool. If guns are banned, all that will happen is people will use something else to kill with. We can't ban everything, so it's best to leave the bans out of the arena and deal with the decision makers who decide how to use those tools. I can see a whole society eating like pigs from a trough because it went far enough that forks and knives were outlawed.

Now if you took a guy that committed one of these horrifying acts of senseless violence and you made him be drawn and quartered for his crime, it might well serve as a deterrent for the next guy thinking this was a good idea.

One of the biggest reasons we have crime rates at the levels we do is that prison is often a better option than what the person committing the crime already lives with. And if you know you can get out on good behavior for a violent crime anyway, what's to stop you, if you're feeling like life isn't worth all that much to begin with.

How many pedophiles have been sent to prison and let out to go kill another child?

I can say this, if everyone was packing a gun and knew how to shoot it, you'd find a lot more of these whack jobs leaving their fantasies in their heads.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:08:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Its a stupid anallogy. Has nothing to do with what I posted.

Of course it does. It's parallel to the argument you used, demonstrating the flaw in your logic.

See,that's what I thought.....lol
Is it possible,that a day later,he still doesn't see it ?

He doesn't want to see it.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:09:51 PM)

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If guns are banned


There's a world of difference between banning guns and banning assault rifles.



ClassIsInSession -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:37:50 PM)

While that is true, there is a difference between banning guns and banning assault rifles, how many people own one that don't commit mass murders? I own one. I've never shot anyone with it. Does that mean I don't need it? Does it mean I will be irresponsible with it? It's a tool.

Because I live in Texas, I feel a lot better having one. Let's suppose the drug cartels move farther north. I'm supposed to defend my family with a hand gun against them?

It's the person, not the gun.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:43:19 PM)

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It's a tool.


A tool for what?

Hunting? You carry it around with you? Keep it by the bedside?



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:44:43 PM)

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It's the person, not the gun.


When we have a society filled with only these nice people, we won't need laws.

Until then, we will.



Trismagistus -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 7:45:15 PM)

the problem as I see it is that the size of this problem and it's causes are not being identified, several people were shot in a movie theater, how many people die every day and we don't hear word one about it? Gun control laws are scarcely as necessary as people declare them, and much of the time legislating to protect is...utterly pointless, I would rather not be shot, but the more factors we put into the system to keep people safe to an irrational degree, the less freedom we have. On top of this there is the ultimate end game result of over protection, evolution completely slows to a halt, overpopulation runs rampant, and instead of a quick clean bullet to the head we all die wallowing under mountains of refuse and excrement, dying for a bite to eat in the streets. Another problem posed by the gun control reform issue is that it prevents the most necessary of measures that the populace must take when their rulers resort to tyranny, in the absence of civilian firearm possession world wide, the threat of revolution is greatly diminished, it will take far more time to rouse the people to necessary violence in the name of restoring freedom than it will for the government to conspire to remove that as an option at this rate.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 8:01:13 PM)

~FR~

Here, criminals don't go busting into your home and confronting you, armed or not. [When that happens, it's a domestic dispute.]

Here, they wait until you aren't home. Much easier. Last time someone got robbed here was my neighbor two doors down.

They stole his guns.



epiphiny43 -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 8:12:49 PM)

Assault rifles have been banned for many years, along with all other fully automatic fire weapons, except for Class III licensees. The laws have been in effect since the Depression when Prohibition gang turf fights brought Thompson .45s into public consciousness. Gun control advocates manage to remain ignorant or deliberately misuse the term.
The death toll in Aurora is much smaller than if the killer had an 'assault rifle', a full auto weapon, OR if his semi-auto weapon that Looks like an assault rifle hadn't jammed!
It's been found difficult to ban guns on appearance that have identical function to hugely popular hunting and target rifles. Some countries try to ban military caliber ammunition, to little noticeable effect, generally. It isn't needed in peaceful countries; armed revolutions, drug gangs and organized bandits manage to ignore regulations?
Same old story? Ideas and culture motivate and control behavior, the tools and laws about them are minor side shows of little effect. Israelis have more military assault rifles than the United States have ever contemplated. As do Swiss citizens. Many off-duty or reserve army carry pistols regularly. They don't shoot each other with them! A country that solves disputes with violence at every level, grade school Little League to international (Thanks, shrub, we owe ya.) isn't going to solve firearms misuse with laws.



ClassIsInSession -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 8:34:56 PM)

Agreed.

A tool for protecting my family from people carrying weapons that a simple handgun isn't likely to work well up against MusicMystery. I rarely hunt but use my 12 gauge for that when I do, and I haven't in many years.

Here in Texas, armed assaults do happen. There is quite a lot of meth traffic flowing along Interstate 35 and the violence that comes with it.
Believe me when I say, I hope I never have to take a human life, but if it comes down to me or someone I care about dying or some half cocked crazy person, I assure you, I'd drop them without any hesitation. I wouldn't bask in the glory of it, because I feel it would be unfortunate if I had to do it. It is kept in a gun safe in my bedroom. In addition, there are video cameras and an alarm system on my house so I will have the warnings necessary when I need to access it or another of my guns.

Ideally, the alarm will go off, signal the police department and I'll secure the upstairs while waiting for the police without an armed conflict happening, however, in the event that the police are delayed or the intruders are ambitious, I'll be waiting for them prepared.

And incidentally, my home has been broken into, someone kicked the front door in during mid-day, ran in and stole a computer and a video camera. I highly suspect it was the same guy that shot the woman in the park I mentioned in another post. If I'd been home, that woman may have never been shot.



slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 8:38:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Talk about dumb arguments Music, "legalize rape", "10 MPH speed limits", "$10,000 speeding tickets" sound pretty dumb to me.
Not a really good comparison.

My legitimate question still stands. After you ban an entire class of firearms which you say is a great start, what next after that ?


And you might try using a bit of logic yourself.

Pearls before swine comes to mind



Oh good, more riddles from another jester.

You see that as a riddle.......lol
Really,you have got to be pulling my leg.....lol
Let me know when you "crack" it,okay ?



slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 8:41:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

What about getting guns on the black market ? Gun control won't stop anyone.


So the theater beefs up fire security. So then the guy uses a bomb or poison gas.

So once again,...You say it can't work,so letn not bother tryng.
You know its broke,but let us not try to fix it.
Does that about sum it up for you ?



I'll sum it up for you, no gun owner with half the brain of a piss ant is going to turn in their guns for some stupid illogical feel good utopian fantasy you guys refer to as gun control.


Let me sum this up for you,cause seriously you are coming off as the dimmest of bulbs...when sensible folks talk about gun control they are referring to new weapons entering the pipeline,no one,absolutely no one with any sense is talking about going door to door and melting down your guns.
Someone help me,no one can be this fucking dense



lovmuffin -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/22/2012 10:07:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

What about getting guns on the black market ? Gun control won't stop anyone.


So the theater beefs up fire security. So then the guy uses a bomb or poison gas.

So once again,...You say it can't work,so letn not bother tryng.
You know its broke,but let us not try to fix it.
Does that about sum it up for you ?



I'll sum it up for you, no gun owner with half the brain of a piss ant is going to turn in their guns for some stupid illogical feel good utopian fantasy you guys refer to as gun control.


Let me sum this up for you,cause seriously you are coming off as the dimmest of bulbs...when sensible folks talk about gun control they are referring to new weapons entering the pipeline,no one,absolutely no one with any sense is talking about going door to door and melting down your guns.
Someone help me,no one can be this fucking dense



Oh well pardon me Mr Genius, no one wants to come get our guns ? Tell that to the gun owners in CA and NYC who were sent letters or otherwise required to turn in their registered semi auto military type guns. I don't want to forget to mention those
people in New Orleans who had guns of all kinds confiscated door to door by the police under the orders of that crowning jewel of ignorance Mayor Nagan.

But thanks so much for your generosity letting me keep the ones I already have. As you know I trust guys like you and the politicians to know what's best.




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