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ORIGINAL: mtcouple

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Is there any reason why people might actually NEED an automatic rifle? I'm trying to think of a valid reason for possessing one. I'm unable to think of any legal circumstance where a single action rifle would not suffice.

If any reasons exist, they appear to be pretty exceptional. In that case, why can't those automatic rifles* that people may really need (as opposed to imagine they need) be stored at a secure central location (eg a police station) and signed in and out as the occasion arises?

I believe a system along these lines operates here and seems to work well. It satisfies all legitimate needs while offering security to all. It would certainly inhibit the circulation of automatic rifles, which can only be a good thing.

* inc models that can be converted to full automatic easily

I have a perfectly valid reason to own one- they are fun to shoot. After all, I could also go buy a sports car for the fun of it, and if driven improperly, that could easily be very deadly. In fact, auto related deaths far outnumber gun related deaths, so it's reasonable to say that as a whole, the sports car could be considered more deadly than the assault rifle. As far as the deadliness of legally owned assault rifles, the threat is a lot less pronounced than you might think it is.
The government saw fit to regulate automatic weapons in the gun control act of 1934. They required that in order to legally buy an automatic weapon, you had to submit registration paperwork to the ATF and pay for a $200 tax stamp. Literally hundreds of thousands of guns were registered this way. Out of all those full auto guns, up until 1986, only one legal full auto gun was used in a crime, and that was a cop, who used his issued rifle to kill his wife. Yet in 1986, a law was passed that made it impossible for civilians to own full autos that were originally registered after the 1986 cutoff. Police agencies could still acquire and register full autos. Now, those pre-86 guns sell for a mint, for a legal full auto AR-15, expect to pay $20000 or more.
Do you really think that these legally owned full autos are really that much of a danger that they need to be kept at the police station?

As far as the ease of converting a semi auto to full auto, see my previous post.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You are full of shit as a christmas goose. goddammit, nobody gives a fiddlers fuck what you guys do when you are alone.

That has nothing to do with the gunshow loophole or gun control,. nobody, and I mean nobody, including the fuckin ATF give a fuck about your pickaninny asses.

I know exactly what I am talking about, we are talking about business level gun deals in great numbers and you are talkin about offerin 40 bucks for paws old fuckin double barrel.  Nobody gives a shit, not the government, the ATF, the cops, the goddamn crackwhore raised you, nobody. 

Dont come up with that stupid off topic shit like you are important and have something to contribute, statewise I would think damn near every state is like that, and private casual transactions (which I have repeatedly pointed out) are no fucking part or parcel of this.

Now had you been paying attention, you make a deal at a gunshow (ffl or not, no difference) but buy that gun off site it is illegal.  it was a business arms length transaction and must be carried all the way thru as such.

Thats different than you trading your wife for a fuckin .22.  Pay attention.  

You pay attention this started with my responding to a statement that the gun show loophole was private sales between private individuals. You went off the deep end and jumped tothe erronious conclusion that I was some kind or evil gun runner. Your inability to make a single civil post with anyone you diagree with betrays your insecurity and your belief that you can bully people into agreeing with you. Another count upon which you are wrong.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No one can be this dense....even if he is from Alabama

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: mtcouple

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Is there any reason why people might actually NEED an automatic rifle? I'm trying to think of a valid reason for possessing one. I'm unable to think of any legal circumstance where a single action rifle would not suffice.

If any reasons exist, they appear to be pretty exceptional. In that case, why can't those automatic rifles* that people may really need (as opposed to imagine they need) be stored at a secure central location (eg a police station) and signed in and out as the occasion arises?

I believe a system along these lines operates here and seems to work well. It satisfies all legitimate needs while offering security to all. It would certainly inhibit the circulation of automatic rifles, which can only be a good thing.

* inc models that can be converted to full automatic easily

I have a perfectly valid reason to own one- they are fun to shoot. After all, I could also go buy a sports car for the fun of it, and if driven improperly, that could easily be very deadly. In fact, auto related deaths far outnumber gun related deaths, so it's reasonable to say that as a whole, the sports car could be considered more deadly than the assault rifle. As far as the deadliness of legally owned assault rifles, the threat is a lot less pronounced than you might think it is.
The government saw fit to regulate automatic weapons in the gun control act of 1934. They required that in order to legally buy an automatic weapon, you had to submit registration paperwork to the ATF and pay for a $200 tax stamp. Literally hundreds of thousands of guns were registered this way. Out of all those full auto guns, up until 1986, only one legal full auto gun was used in a crime, and that was a cop, who used his issued rifle to kill his wife. Yet in 1986, a law was passed that made it impossible for civilians to own full autos that were originally registered after the 1986 cutoff. Police agencies could still acquire and register full autos. Now, those pre-86 guns sell for a mint, for a legal full auto AR-15, expect to pay $20000 or more.
Do you really think that these legally owned full autos are really that much of a danger that they need to be kept at the police station?

As far as the ease of converting a semi auto to full auto, see my previous post.

I can give you another perfectly valid reason for people owning fully automatic weapons (or APMs or tanks, etc.)

The founding fathers guaranteed the right of the people to keep and bear arms because they knew that all governments become tyranical, at some point and they wanted to ensure that the people would always be able to over-throw a tyranical government.

I have long since given up on doing peoples' research for them but try reading some of the writings of the founders; Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, et. al. They knew that the time would come (Jefferson said about once every 20 years) when the people would need to rise up and they wanted that to always be possible.

I will help with some of your research; type "Jefferson tree of liberty" into any search engine. Enjoy.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Bama,

First, Mn is FAR smarter and MUCH quicker than you--2/3 of what he posts is simply going over your head.

Second, he's a gun dealer, and knows his stuff cold. You're pissing in a strong wind.

Third, you're misinterpreting and misunderstanding right and left. Slow down, take time. Your base line assumptions and a priori conclusions are blinding you to textual comprehension.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

People routinely ignore what they don't understand.

It's how FOX survives.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
But seriously - does anyone even read mnots posts any longer?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Beat me to it!

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nuh uh.  just fuckin nuh uh.  It is illegal in federal law end of joke and has been since 1968. the expansion of what like 1986 or so would allow a ffl to transact business at either the license addy or a gunshow addy with advanced permission.....if you aint an FFL then...

here easier to link to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_in_the_United_States

What comes about is this, if you are at gunshows constantly and making offsite sales, how the fuck are you a casual seller,   no denying it, you aint.  And you are fucking honest americans like me. Who are licensed, inspected and held to the law.

And you can trade in all sorts of guns, hell even more than I do.

Don't ever sit here and howl about the constitution or the law ever again and be a fuckin illegal arms dealer, goddammit.    

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: mtcouple

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Is there any reason why people might actually NEED an automatic rifle? I'm trying to think of a valid reason for possessing one. I'm unable to think of any legal circumstance where a single action rifle would not suffice.

If any reasons exist, they appear to be pretty exceptional. In that case, why can't those automatic rifles* that people may really need (as opposed to imagine they need) be stored at a secure central location (eg a police station) and signed in and out as the occasion arises?

I believe a system along these lines operates here and seems to work well. It satisfies all legitimate needs while offering security to all. It would certainly inhibit the circulation of automatic rifles, which can only be a good thing.

* inc models that can be converted to full automatic easily

I have a perfectly valid reason to own one- they are fun to shoot. After all, I could also go buy a sports car for the fun of it, and if driven improperly, that could easily be very deadly. In fact, auto related deaths far outnumber gun related deaths, so it's reasonable to say that as a whole, the sports car could be considered more deadly than the assault rifle. As far as the deadliness of legally owned assault rifles, the threat is a lot less pronounced than you might think it is.
The government saw fit to regulate automatic weapons in the gun control act of 1934. They required that in order to legally buy an automatic weapon, you had to submit registration paperwork to the ATF and pay for a $200 tax stamp. Literally hundreds of thousands of guns were registered this way. Out of all those full auto guns, up until 1986, only one legal full auto gun was used in a crime, and that was a cop, who used his issued rifle to kill his wife. Yet in 1986, a law was passed that made it impossible for civilians to own full autos that were originally registered after the 1986 cutoff. Police agencies could still acquire and register full autos. Now, those pre-86 guns sell for a mint, for a legal full auto AR-15, expect to pay $20000 or more.
Do you really think that these legally owned full autos are really that much of a danger that they need to be kept at the police station?

As far as the ease of converting a semi auto to full auto, see my previous post.

I can give you another perfectly valid reason for people owning fully automatic weapons (or APMs or tanks, etc.)

The founding fathers guaranteed the right of the people to keep and bear arms because they knew that all governments become tyranical, at some point and they wanted to ensure that the people would always be able to over-throw a tyranical government.

I have long since given up on doing peoples' research for them but try reading some of the writings of the founders; Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, et. al. They knew that the time would come (Jefferson said about once every 20 years) when the people would need to rise up and they wanted that to always be possible.

I will help with some of your research; type "Jefferson tree of liberty" into any search engine. Enjoy.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark



The AR-15 used in Colorado for example was designed and built for the US military.....I'd say that makes it an assault weapon....The military rarely buys weapons not made to KILL PEOPLE....I'd say killing is indeed assault.

You would be wrong, S&W doesn't make military grade AR rifles, they only make civilian semi automatic versions. Just because the gun looks like a Colt, or Armilite, doesn't make it so. It doesn't have a selector switch, burst, or full automatic modes.