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Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 8:59:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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we should pass legislation that fines anyone who goes out in public and is caught without a fire arm on their person.


Then we can be the Wild West again. Or Afghanistan.

Even the wild west wasn't so wild....many a town that grew into a city enacted local ordinances barring firearms within city limits.They had some sense in old Dodge City.


and most ordinances then and today are unlawful.




Yachtie -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:00:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Even the wild west wasn't so wild....many a town that grew into a city enacted local ordinances barring firearms within city limits.They had some sense in old Dodge City.


Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?




Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:02:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm in favor of amputating you so you don't harm others, yes.

Thanks for volunteering the idea.

Any other silliness?

Because at the end of the glib smugness, innocent people are dead.








someone has to put ripples in your potato chips

and stop running an impasse, they would be dead another way another day.

you people simply do not get it.







Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:03:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Even the wild west wasn't so wild....many a town that grew into a city enacted local ordinances barring firearms within city limits.They had some sense in old Dodge City.


Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?



seems to me when heller won that case crime in DC took a nose dive.







Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:06:41 AM)

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Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?


In other industrialized nations, it works very well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate







Yachtie -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:09:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Even the wild west wasn't so wild....many a town that grew into a city enacted local ordinances barring firearms within city limits.They had some sense in old Dodge City.


Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?



seems to me when heller won that case crime in DC took a nose dive.



Did it? I haven't seen any stats.




Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:12:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?


In other industrialized nations, it works very well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate







bulshit

try crime instead of firearm death DUH

more dishonesty




Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:12:28 AM)

www.google.com




Yachtie -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:12:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?


In other industrialized nations, it works very well.



You should go there. Feel safe and all. Enjoy the warm fuzzy. Sip your lattes in the warm embrace of your brethren.




slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:13:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?


In all other industrialized nations, it works very well.



Howard Steven Freidman writing for the Huffington Post cited America's higher homicide rates,incarceration rates,and gun ownership rates than other wealthy industrialized nations.Of course drawing any correlations between those statistics is downright un -American.
American exceptionalism indeed !




Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:13:29 AM)

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more dishonesty


That's the trouble with supported facts. They keep disagreeing with you.




Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:15:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?


In other industrialized nations, it works very well.



You should go there. Feel safe and all. Enjoy the warm fuzzy. Sip your lattes in the warm embrace of your brethren.


Again, nothing but silliness where the supported argument should go. It should occur to you that you've got nothing.

You go to Afghanistan. Or Somalia. You won't have to put up with safety and all. Enjoy the warm muzzles. Sip your double scotch in the fuzzy gaze of your brethren.





Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:16:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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more dishonesty


That's the trouble with supported facts. They keep disagreeing with you.

yet more dishonesty




Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:17:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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more dishonesty


That's the trouble with supported facts. They keep disagreeing with you.

yet more dishonesty

That Fact Mountain is going to continue its dishonesty in perpetuity.

You should try visiting it for supporting counter-arguments, rather than vague pronouncements that only underscore your lack of a supportable position.





Yachtie -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:18:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Howard Steven Freidman writing for the Huffington Post cited America's higher homicide rates,incarceration rates,and gun ownership rates than other wealthy industrialized nations.Of course drawing any correlations between those statistics is downright un -American.
American exceptionalism indeed !


from wiki -
Howard Steven Friedman (born June 10, 1972) is a prominent American statistician, health economist, writer and artist currently employed at the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) and as an adjunct Associate Professor at Columbia University [1]

Friedman is widely known for his role as a lead statistical modeler on a number of key United Nations projects and for his wide-ranging publications in the fields of statistics and health economics.


Agenda 21 (UN) anyone?




Anaxagoras -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:19:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
thats fucking absurd. you can get a nuke if you want, they start about 3/4 of mil.

ROFL, and the irony here is the one making the claim about the ease of getting a "nuke" is also the one using the word "absurd"...

In any case no doubt you has that kind of money under your couch. So how many nukes do you have stashed to hit back at the ebil gubermint?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
and anyone with even the most basic machine shop can crank them out. you dont need accuracy for suicide massacres and then what do you plan on doing with the 500 million guns in the US in private hands today? Many of which are collectors items.

Run around like the nazis and collect them all?

Thats bollocks, even if it was so easy to make them there aren't major trends toward homemade gun manufacture in parts of the Western world where there is strict gun control. Furthermore, the authorities are usually more flexble with collectors items. BTW I thought you liked the Nazi's?




Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:19:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Even the wild west wasn't so wild....many a town that grew into a city enacted local ordinances barring firearms within city limits.They had some sense in old Dodge City.


Given that firearms exist, are always available one way or another, barring them in cities like DC, Chicago, etc (you know, those liberal bastions)... how's that working out so far?



seems to me when heller won that case crime in DC took a nose dive.



Did it? I haven't seen any stats.



Yep sho thang



Media Silence Is Deafening About Important Gun News

By John Lott

Published September 30, 2011

Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.

Politicians predicted disaster. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the court made its decision.

Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would "go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets . . . ."

The New York Times even editorialized this month about the Supreme Court's "unwise" decision that there is a right for people "to keep guns in the home."

But Armageddon never happened. Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn't rise after the bans were eliminated -- they plummeted. They have fallen much more than the national crime rate.

Not surprisingly, the national media have been completely silent about this news.

One can only imagine the coverage if crime rates had risen. In the first six months of this year, there were 14% fewer murders in Chicago compared to the first six months of last year – back when owning handguns was illegal. It was the largest drop in Chicago’s murder rate since the handgun ban went into effect in 1982.

Meanwhile, the other four most populous cities saw a total drop at the same time of only 6 percent.

Similarly, in the year after the 2008 "Heller" decision, the murder rate fell two-and-a-half times faster in Washington than in the rest of the country.

It also fell more than three as fast as in other cities that are close to Washington's size. And murders in Washington have continued to fall.

If you compare the first six months of this year to the first six months of 2008, the same time immediately preceding the Supreme Court's late June "Heller" decision, murders have now fallen by thirty-four percent.

Gun crimes also fell more than non-gun crimes.

Robberies with guns fell by 25%, while robberies without guns have fallen by eight percent. Assaults with guns fell by 37%, while assaults without guns fell by 12%.

Just as with right-to-carry laws, when law-abiding citizens have guns some criminals stop carrying theirs.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/30/media-silence-is-deafening-about-important-gun-news/#ixzz21H4QitNd




Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:20:11 AM)

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Agenda 21 (UN) anyone?


I see RealOne and pahunk have a convert.

[image]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2274/2404325409_5543da1791.jpg[/image]




atursvcMaam -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:21:26 AM)

awww, c'mon, where are the conspiracy kooks that will call this an enhanced effort by the government to work for more gun control due to the difficulties with Holder's "Fast and Furious" debacle.
Didn't the President's buddy George Clooney play Batman once or twice?




Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:21:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

I thought you liked the Nazi's?



you are wrong about literally everything else at least you are consistent




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