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Lucylastic -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:22:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

awww, c'mon, where are the conspiracy kooks that will call this an enhanced effort by the government to work for more gun control due to the difficulties with Holder's "Fast and Furious" debacle.
Didn't the President's buddy George Clooney play Batman once or twice?

yay congrats, ..you just did



Anaxagoras -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:23:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I thought you liked the Nazi's?

you are wrong about literally everything else at least you are consistent

Nah, you luurrvve them as you went out of your way repeatedly to defend them over their crimes.



Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:37:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Agenda 21 (UN) anyone?


I see RealOne and pahunk have a convert.

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Everyone understands your position








Too bad it has to be so dishonest


Media Silence Is Deafening About Important Gun News

By John Lott

Published September 30, 2011

Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.

If you compare the first six months of this year to the first six months of 2008, the same time immediately preceding the Supreme Court's late June "Heller" decision, murders have now fallen by thirty-four percent.

Gun crimes also fell more than non-gun crimes.

Robberies with guns fell by 25%, while robberies without guns have fallen by eight percent. Assaults with guns fell by 37%, while assaults without guns fell by 12%.

Just as with right-to-carry laws, when law-abiding citizens have guns some criminals stop carrying theirs.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/30/media-silence-is-deafening-about-important-gun-news/#ixzz21H4QitNd



Anaxagoras -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:43:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
you people simply do not get it.

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Real0ne -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:51:35 AM)

now the fucking brits are going to lecture americans about guns.

they are so fucking loony all they are allowed to have are sticks n stones and they still have higher crime than the us.





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mnottertail -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:55:13 AM)

Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.




This entire article is pure drooling imbicilic bullshit of the sort that is always posted by such fuckheads.

Nowhere, and I defy you to show me the great heap of studies or outcrying about 'supposed to soar'.  It didnt fucking happen  whatsoever, and you can go look even at the thread on this issue that is here.


After that, the rest of that article devolves to usual pedestrian shitlicking.  



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 9:55:26 AM)

Troughers? Pls to essplain?

And...am I to understand that some of you think that our first person shooter gun culture is a GOOD thing, and it's all sparkly here because of it?



BamaD -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:00:34 AM)


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Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives?


Quick note about this -- relative to other major nations, we don't really have much in the way of gun control, and so it would be silly to say it's costing lives, with the ready availability of firearms in the U.S.

It will always be only a hypothetical here.

We should try some. It works elsewhere.



Yep Norway 60+ dead in one incident, England 22 grades schooler dead in one incedent , France over 20 dead in once incident Germany over 30 dead in one incident works great over there.



BamaD -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:02:49 AM)


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we should pass legislation that fines anyone who goes out in public and is caught without a fire arm on their person.


Then we can be the Wild West again. Or Afghanistan.

St Valentines day is so much better (see Al Capone)



BamaD -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:08:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Not so sure about"the dumbest idea I've ever heard" part....wasn't it suggested after one of the school shootings that MORE guns on campus would lessen these events?

Applilacian School of Law shooter hit the school during deer season and quickly found out that a 9mm is no match for half dozen 30-30s



Anaxagoras -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:11:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
now the fucking brits are going to lecture americans about guns.

they are so fucking loony all they are allowed to have are sticks n stones and they still have higher crime than the us.

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More bullshit, the UK has by far the highest crime rate in Europe and has a long standing sectarian conflict which doesn't help its figures.



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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Troughers? Pls to essplain?

I'm not too sure but it would seem to be a stupid response to the "Truther"/"Troofer" label by R0's conspiratorial kinfolk...



BamaD -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:11:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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we should pass legislation that fines anyone who goes out in public and is caught without a fire arm on their person.


Then we can be the Wild West again. Or Afghanistan.

Even the wild west wasn't so wild....many a town that grew into a city enacted local ordinances barring firearms within city limits.They had some sense in old Dodge City.

Not completly accurate. They would ban guns from the portions of town where there would alway be a law enforcement presence. If you were somewhere that they couldn't be present to protect you you could carry.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:12:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives?


Quick note about this -- relative to other major nations, we don't really have much in the way of gun control, and so it would be silly to say it's costing lives, with the ready availability of firearms in the U.S.

It will always be only a hypothetical here.

We should try some. It works elsewhere.



Yep Norway 60+ dead in one incident, England 22 grades schooler dead in one incedent , France over 20 dead in once incident Germany over 30 dead in one incident works great over there.

Since you seem to have a little time, google the difference between anecdote and evidence. If that's your level of "proof," you've got a damn weak case. Try the perfectionist fallacy as well. We still have crime--so having police doesn't work, right? We have firemen, but we still have fires, so it doesn't work, right? We have schools, but we still have people who don't understand or practice the simplistic basic logic.

Would gun control work? In other industrialized nations, it works very well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate



Lucylastic -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:12:26 AM)

Is that some kind of equivalence statement Bama?
Maybe you should remove yourself from the conversation and wallow with your gun loving brothers in the blood of the innocents.
Way to just ignore the dead and injured along with their families not to mention the thousands of other murder victims




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:12:41 AM)

Thanks, Anax. It's hard to keep track of all the tinfoil...



BamaD -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:21:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Is that some kind of equivalence statement Bama?
Maybe you should remove yourself from the conversation and wallow with your gun loving brothers in the blood of the innocents.
Way to just ignore the dead and injured along with their families not to mention the thousands of other murder victims



Come on Lucy I expect better of you. You should note though that every mass shooting in the US has been in a gun free zone. You should also note that this guy gave up the first time he met an armed opponent (albeit that was the police)



Yachtie -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:22:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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we should pass legislation that fines anyone who goes out in public and is caught without a fire arm on their person.


Then we can be the Wild West again. Or Afghanistan.

St Valentines day is so much better (see Al Capone)



Gangbanger v Gangbanger. What's so bad about dat? Culls out the bad guys.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:22:54 AM)

Like Arizona.

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DomKen -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:23:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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someone as dishonest as (Ken)


Lot of that going around. Hope you feel better soon.
Every time something like this comes up, everybody's a fucking special ops marksman.

Clue: shooting in a crowded theater, you're going to hit people.
That's among the reasons the police wisely didn't just go crashing in to get shot and shoot others.



Try paying attention, Muse. If you bothered to do that, you'd know I had already agreed with you about walking around armed all the time. My objection is to letting a dishonest poster define the terms.

I've had guns pointed at me. I've heard the sound of a round being chambered in a gun pointed at the back of my head. I know what my instinctive reaction to that is. I suspect most our Rambo's in here haven't a fucking clue.

That's twice. I'm now demanding you prove that I'm less honest than you. Note for every accusation you make I'll simply point out some flat out lie you've told on this forum.



DomKen -> RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? (7/21/2012 10:25:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Greg Mckendry stood between his friends and the gun and paid the ultimate price but it gave time for 4 of his friends to tackle and restrain the shooter. None of them needed a gun to do what had to be done.

Bravery does not flow from the barrel of a gun.


You're right! Lead does[8D]

One does what needs be done with tools at hand. None of them needed a gun to do what had to be done. True. But they did need one thing. Their friend's life. A Colt .45 would have cost less.

Bullshit, coward.

The fact is a 12 gauge at point blank range would have killed/wounded all 5. Intead one man took the whole blast and enabled his 4 friends to save the rest of the people in the church.



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