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Tantriqu -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (7/31/2012 9:15:17 PM)

Obv. I disagree; the passive women as spoilt brats, dim bulbs, victims, hostages and corpses roles persist. For me, a happy ending would have been earlier ass-kickings, lower body counts, and a polyandrous family for Katniss with Gale, Peeta and Finnick, and Dr. Prim with some good partner. I'm usually not one for revision, but I hope the rape victim doesn't have to die in the movie . . .



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 3:31:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
You can see an improvement between book one and book three...

In which case, she wasn't competent to be published when she wrote book one.
It's perfectly true that the way you learn how to write a good novel is by writing two or three bad ones. Publishing them for a fat advance, on the other hand, is taking the fucking piss.


Hey, don't knock it, nice work if you can get it...



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 3:41:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Obv. I disagree; the passive women as spoilt brats, dim bulbs, victims, hostages and corpses roles persist. For me, a happy ending would have been earlier ass-kickings, lower body counts, and a polyandrous family for Katniss with Gale, Peeta and Finnick, and Dr. Prim with some good partner. I'm usually not one for revision, but I hope the rape victim doesn't have to die in the movie . . .


Katniss didn't strike me as passive, she's a survivor and she volunteered. The books went on too long, true, but I quite liked the unusual twists and turns it took, I mean how perfectly horrible if the female heroine would be some kind of flawless Supergirl type with all sorts of super powers, that would be a blasted robot...



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 9:34:42 AM)

Btw this is a really good take on 50 Shades of BS

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/06/fifty-shades-of-fcked-up-trista-hendren/



searching4mysir -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 3:53:58 PM)

Thought you guys could appreciate this.

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PeonForHer -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 4:42:07 PM)

I actually had a GF with nipples like that, once.



Moonhead -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 4:44:20 PM)

I had her three or four times, old boy.
[;)]



PeonForHer -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 5:25:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I had her three or four times, old boy.
[;)]


No, that was her grandma. They look very similar with 'maturing eyesight', so I understand.



Tantriqu -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 8:21:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
she's a survivor

that's it in a nutshell! an annoyingly passive survivor rather than a hero. I prefer heroes of brains, thoughtfulness and action who learn from their mistakes, which I found both Katniss and Harry Potter lacked; at least Harry had Hermione, whom he TOTALLY should have married ;-) part of why I didn't like the latter Potter books when Hermione became passive and a 50's Hollywood 'ooh, I don't know what to do, how clever of you boys' failure. No wonder Rowlings was afraid to use her first name.



Tantriqu -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 8:37:47 PM)

More 50 Shades of Dross fuckwittery:

Hands up people who had their virginity 'ripped out' 'hard' as the erection/strapon 'slammed' 'deep', yet all they felt was 'a weird pinching sensation'.
Fuuuuuuuuu . . . .
No boy or girl should think this is right, proper, correct, acceptable, legal, moral or reality.



littlewonder -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/1/2012 11:24:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Btw this is a really good take on 50 Shades of BS

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/06/fifty-shades-of-fcked-up-trista-hendren/


If those are quotes from the book, then my first thoughts of the book are spot on. Horrible writing! I couldn't finish reading the lines from the book because I started feeling like my head would explode because it's that bad.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 12:18:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
she's a survivor

that's it in a nutshell! an annoyingly passive survivor rather than a hero. I prefer heroes of brains, thoughtfulness and action who learn from their mistakes, which I found both Katniss and Harry Potter lacked; at least Harry had Hermione, whom he TOTALLY should have married ;-) part of why I didn't like the latter Potter books when Hermione became passive and a 50's Hollywood 'ooh, I don't know what to do, how clever of you boys' failure. No wonder Rowlings was afraid to use her first name.


Volunteering is passive? A hero can't be human, a female hero has to be superhuman... There's a solution for that, comics, Wonderwoman, Supergirl, Lara Croft, just nobody who resembles a real life human. The fact that she reacts like most of us would have done, with depression and just trying to pick up the shreds of a life actually rescued a story that otherwise would just have been boring and over the top, I don't think the author planned to write a story for a female Bruce Willis action hero.

As for Harry Potty, can't really comment, when the whole thing started there was so much "Oh it's so cool" going on the most annoying people loved the books, so I never bothered, I was forced to see 30 minutes of one movie and found it so annoying that I decided to go for a walk instead.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 12:43:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Btw this is a really good take on 50 Shades of BS

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/06/fifty-shades-of-fcked-up-trista-hendren/


If those are quotes from the book, then my first thoughts of the book are spot on. Horrible writing! I couldn't finish reading the lines from the book because I started feeling like my head would explode because it's that bad.


Just reading the first book was torture, seriously, bad writing is a turn off, I slogged through because so many people were oohing and ahhing, and I felt that I can't really judge a book without having read it, I'm really an avid reader but it was everything but pleasure in this case, the practicalities annoyed me, like that there obviously wasn't a skilled editor to clean up the writing, that the story was so unbelievable, that the characters were so unbelievable, the wording, the repetitiveness...

Kudos to the author, to make money from that is not a mean feat, but her chances were as high as winning the lottery. Would I have written such utter crap if I thought I'd make millions from it? Absofuckinglutely! I'd let everybody rip my writing to shreds, accept all attacks of no artistic integrity and possibly wouldn't feel very bad about it, I'd be too busy laughing all the way to the bank.



Moonhead -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 6:17:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Volunteering is passive? A hero can't be human, a female hero has to be superhuman...

Who's said that, or even suggested as much? I like fallible heroes as well (in fact, if they aren't fallible, then the whole question of their heroism becomes open to debate), but I also like protagonists who bloody well protag instead of just letting the plot happen around them.

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There's a solution for that, comics, Wonderwoman, Supergirl, Lara Croft, just nobody who resembles a real life human. The fact that she reacts like most of us would have done, with depression and just trying to pick up the shreds of a life actually rescued a story that otherwise would just have been boring and over the top, I don't think the author planned to write a story for a female Bruce Willis action hero.

I'd actually suggest that there are a great many comics characters who more closely resemble a real life human than the subbier than thou doormat in 50 Shades. Even wonderwoman and supergirl seem to have more personal and social problems than anybody in 50 Shades, and the Doormat's appearance (as described) is even less realistic than Lara Croft's figure...



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 6:29:06 AM)

Actually you missed it, we are now talking about the Hunger Games and I find the female main character there not overly passive, in case you forgot, I am not a 50 Shades fan at all.



Moonhead -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 6:40:21 AM)

Mea culpa: I didn't realise you were onto Hunger Games instead.



chemeli -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 11:32:37 AM)

I'm reading the first book and i can see more and more that Anastasia is a brat with no respect whatsoever towards him.....she claims she loves him and understands what he's been through yadda yadda, but hey, she wants it HER way. That made me go guh, what the hell is your problem. I'm not sure i'm going to keep reading it, it was so good at the beginning when i thought she was really submissive to him.!!!



TNDommeK -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 11:56:05 AM)

I liked the Hunger Games, it was a good movie. I think the next ones will be good as well, or so I hope. The plot is good. The book I'm reading right now reminds Me of the movie.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/2/2012 2:05:45 PM)

I only read the books, I don't like movies all that much, too impatient to sit still for so long



PrincessDonna11 -> RE: Fifty Shades of Dross: A Domme's Perspective (8/3/2012 12:47:55 AM)

I read a book for content, not to how it relates to MY life in any way,then I wouldnt WANT to read it. Im on the third "SHADE" and the reason I stay is to see "subcon" and "Goddess" responses! now THEY make the books. There Is Still nothing out there like the Anne Rice Beauty Series!



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