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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 12:23:53 PM   
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Risks "a clash with Iran"?

We could destroy Iran several times over within minutes. Even considering just war vs. Iran using mere conventional weapons, Iran is no superpower.

So, care to take another wild assed guess as to why we are sitting this one out?

Heres a clue:

Syria conflict: West 'appalled' by Russia China UN veto

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18914578



Nuances not your strong point either huh. It isnt destroying the regime in Iran that would be the problem, but what follows. A point GWB overlooked with his invasion of Iraq. As for your clue, I seem to recall mentioning the cold war.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 12:32:28 PM   
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Hilarious

You stumble head first over a fact I placed directly in your path and yet you still fail to see the direct correlation to your uninformed guessing as to why we arent helping to install the Muslim Brotherhood into power there, as we are elsewhere



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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 1:43:51 PM   
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Syria is easier now than Iraq was just before we invaded. Assad IS slaughtering people and has lots of WMD. Hussein at some time in the past HAD slaughtered his people and mayyyyybe.




Maybe strictly from a standpoint of their military capabilities, Hill, but not ours, and certainly not in terms of the national mindset in the US.

I didn't need to read the story under the, "Afghan policeman kills 3 US soldiers," headline, when I skimmed down the CNN app this morning. We aren't spoiling for any more fights these days, and might have trouble coming up with oomph for a big one, if comes down to it (something Kim Jong Un is paying attention to, in whatever is cooking inside his fat head).

There is no point in getting the US riled up about Syria (sorry, Ashjor), when the calvary won't ever be coming.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 2:07:48 PM   
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I think what is now playing out between the west and Russia/China are the last vestiges of the cold war.


Or the start of the next cold war?

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 3:17:33 PM   
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Syria is easier now than Iraq was just before we invaded. Assad IS slaughtering people and has lots of WMD. Hussein at some time in the past HAD slaughtered his people and mayyyyybe.




Maybe strictly from a standpoint of their military capabilities, Hill, but not ours, and certainly not in terms of the national mindset in the US.

I didn't need to read the story under the, "Afghan policeman kills 3 US soldiers," headline, when I skimmed down the CNN app this morning. We aren't spoiling for any more fights these days, and might have trouble coming up with oomph for a big one, if comes down to it (something Kim Jong Un is paying attention to, in whatever is cooking inside his fat head).

There is no point in getting the US riled up about Syria (sorry, Ashjor), when the calvary won't ever be coming.

I'm still going to say that if they had half the oil of say Kuwait, we'd be stagig an invasion from Turkey right now.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 5:52:05 PM   
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Syria is easier now than Iraq was just before we invaded. Assad IS slaughtering people and has lots of WMD. Hussein at some time in the past HAD slaughtered his people and mayyyyybe.




Maybe strictly from a standpoint of their military capabilities, Hill, but not ours, and certainly not in terms of the national mindset in the US.

I didn't need to read the story under the, "Afghan policeman kills 3 US soldiers," headline, when I skimmed down the CNN app this morning. We aren't spoiling for any more fights these days, and might have trouble coming up with oomph for a big one, if comes down to it (something Kim Jong Un is paying attention to, in whatever is cooking inside his fat head).

There is no point in getting the US riled up about Syria (sorry, Ashjor), when the calvary won't ever be coming.



Ummmm.....Meh.....


We will intervene,when we can...ie have someone to coordinate with for the fight and diplomatically, for after the fight.

Not sure if there is/was anything anyone can/could do......I guess Prez-Mitt would wave his hands and magically fix things there......

One thing`s for sure......President Obama is NOT going to unilaterally invade the place and turn the Syrians and half the ME against us......as the twerp bush did.

Right now,there is barely an organized resistance and no Syrian ex-pat leaders or diplomats to speak of.

And it will be a NATO operation (with Turkey playing a key role)....and not, a US operation......as the loser-whiners claim.

Must suck seeing the President succeed in the ME without einflaming anti-American hatred,provoking more conflict or embarrassing us with Abu Ghraib-class fuck ups.


So........what`s Mitten`s position, on Syria?.......besides.......





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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 6:43:27 PM   
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We could destroy Iran several times over within minutes.



Are you sure about that?

Consider that Iran is the only Shiite Islamic state in the world.

Ever heard of the word 'jihad'?

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 9:55:25 PM   
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I'm still going to say that if they had half the oil of say Kuwait, we'd be stagig an invasion from Turkey right now.



Sorry, Hill, but we're just not hitting on the same page here. If they had half the oil of Kuwait, either the protesters would be choking on clouds of US manufactured teargas, or we wouldn't even be making the sanction noises we are, because their friends would be even more belligerent in their defense. Assad would need to be as friendless as Saddam or Kuhdaffy.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/22/2012 9:58:36 PM   
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Ever heard of the word 'jihad'?



It's worth 111 points on Words With Friends, if you play it just right. Otherwise, if we are dropping nukes, who gives a fuck?

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 2:20:49 AM   
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Ever heard of the word 'jihad'?



It's worth 111 points on Words With Friends, if you play it just right. Otherwise, if we are dropping nukes, who gives a fuck?


Muslims, that's who. Muslims with an awful lot of brotherhood throughout the whole world.

If you want World War Three then okay, but I actually feel that giving the military action a rest for a while lies in the best interest of Americans.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 2:42:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 'West' doesnt have the stomach for starting anything new (I see enough people with missing limbs everyday to know that we've made enough young men and women bleed for the time being), The Russians want to discourage regime change on their doorstep and 'rebel factions' and the Chinese also want to discourage it as they have their own religious freedom movements and puppet states to worry about.

So the West will sit by and wring its collective liberal hands (we're all liberals compared to the Russians and Chinese) untill one of those two gets fed up enough of the Syrians state actions to decide they cant take it any more OR the local rebels start to look like the favorites. Best hope there is the rebels look like winning and talk to the Russians to explain how they could be friends....

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 5:24:13 AM   
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Ever heard of the word 'jihad'?

It's worth 111 points on Words With Friends, if you play it just right. Otherwise, if we are dropping nukes, who gives a fuck?

Muslims, that's who. Muslims with an awful lot of brotherhood throughout the whole world.
If you want World War Three then okay, but I actually feel that giving the military action a rest for a while lies in the best interest of Americans.


We can handle Iran, with the Marines tied behind our backs. Look what we did to the Taliban and they weren't even the real target. We just bitch-slapped them out of power on our way to al Qaeda, precisely what we said we'd do.

That being said, the time for our intervention in the Mid-East should end. It hasn't exactly worked out well for us. It pretty much always ends up with the need for yet another intervention later to fix the fix we made previously. IF we are going to act in Syria, we need to act consistently.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 7:28:34 AM   
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Bad asses, each one......look`n to get OTHER guys killed.....

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 9:43:56 AM   
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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 9:49:46 AM   
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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 10:49:48 AM   
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We NEVER step in?

Again, what about South Korea. What about Europe in WW I and WW II and the cold war. What about the people of South Vietnam.

Our military didnt help the Japanese after their terrible tsunami? Or Indonesia?


The USA entered WW1 after a German sub blew up one of its ships, it entered WW2 in europe after Nazi Germany declared war on the USA in the wake of Pearl Harbor. The Cold War was an arms race primarily between the USA and the Soviet Union marked by a series of proxy wars, the most notable being in Vietnam and Korea.

So 2 of those examples you gave are the USA being dragged in unwillingly, one is an arms race that the USA actively initiated and the other two were proxy wars where the USA decided to ignore the meaning of the word "proxy" when it looked like their favorite side would lose without direct intervention.

Oh and as I understand it, Japan was actually pretty offended by all the people turning up to "help". Seems being a modern and wealthy nation situated on the ring of fire means you're pretty good when it comes to dealing with same'ol'same'ol natural disasters, like earthquakes and tsunami's.

anyway...

Personaly I think let Syria just sort itself out and if the people you like come out on top, help them to rebuild. It'll cost less, kill less and whoever is still alive will hate you less.

As for Iraq and WMD's, yes Iraq had WMD's (gas, the least MD of WMD), we know this for a fact because we're the ones that sold them to Iraq. They were all decades past their use-by date by the time of the 2nd gulfwar and they were never any threat to the people that were claiming they posed any threat. On the off chance that any survived and remained functional or at least hadn't simply leaked away up until GW2 the war actualy vastly increased the risk they posed since they were no longer under the lock and key of a stable government that was content to keep them locked up in the hope they may be usefull one day but rather left unguarded able to be taken by and used by anyone who found them.
Of course, as I said, that's assuming they were well maintained and valid, which is unlikely.



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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 11:42:24 AM   
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Personaly I think let Syria just sort itself out and if the people you like come out on top, help them to rebuild. It'll cost less, kill less and whoever is still alive will hate you less.


This was my thought for every country during the "Arab Spring." Personally, the only country I would want to deal with is Israel, and that's pretty much as a defender. Thus, if Israel attacks without just provocation, we would come in and try to get Israel to stop. If Israel were to be attacked without just provocation, we'd show up in defense of Israel.

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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 2:07:39 PM   
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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 6:03:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you are off base with this one. I believe Obama knows the American public has had enough giving up their sons and daughters to the Afghanistan’s and Iraq’s. He will only act by proxy giving material support and perhaps air support.

I know I’ve a stomach full of nation building…how about you? Obama knows this…it has nothing to do with oil I believe anyway.

PS…if all we care about in the middle east is oil then why do we support the heart of our problems…Israel? If we did not support them for the last 60 + years there is a good chance we would have no problem with any country in the region that produces oil.


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RE: WMD in the Mideast. - 7/23/2012 6:45:12 PM   
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I dont think hill understands that weve been nation building, Butch.

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