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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/24/2012 7:04:01 PM

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I agree, the wait times can be lengthy, Last year I had to wait three months, to get mine, it varies on the province, the city, the hospital. But since last year, the wait times have lessened considerably, I got one for next month after my docs appointment last week.

Dont let people fool you, they waited under the old system in the US.

5 months to see a surgeon (granted, best in the area)

3 weeks to schedule a surgery

3 weeks for a cast change

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/24/2012 8:06:26 PM

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I was talking about the ACA and the debates a while back with another social worker at my agency and she told me about the time her family was vacationing in Canada. He son broke his glasses, which she paid more than $200. out of pocket after exhausting the insurance portion on the glasses. In Canada, even though they were US residents and only there for a week, the glasses (same frames and lens options) cost her $49 and the office did not even accept her insurance card. She told me they said they had no way to run the insurance information.

We both agreed that even higher tax payments and less worry about out-of-pocket expenses would be a much better route for the US in regards to health care. Too bad the health insurance industry has such a strangle hold on Washington (as do all the other large industries and their special interest groups) What is good for a special interest group is almost not good for the nation at large.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/25/2012 7:02:52 AM

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tj, you're right, it's complicated. The for-profit care industry in the states will fight to the death, and make it hugely expensive, even before anyone can whisper the words "single-payer". But that's no reason to stop trying to deliver what the American people need and deserve, and given what they pay now, and the results they get, there's absolutely no reason to believe the result could possibly be worse, or more expensive, than what they have now.

i am waiting for the dust to settle to see.. if you have not lived in the US, you really dont know just how frustrating and bad they can make it... I knew it was no cake walk but now that i have been here for a while.. i am looking forward to when i leave.. for now, i gotta bite the bullet..

Please don't stay on our account. You are here sucking up resources that could be better used for someone that ACTUALLY wants to be here.

And, sorry. The Canadian Gov't is just as nutty. You've one province that has the ability to run the show....and they don't even want to be part of the country! Maybe the most valuable resource in north america(oil shale) and you let a province sell it off to Oil Companies for pennies on the dollar...

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/25/2012 11:22:06 AM

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Please don't stay on our account. You are here sucking up resources that could be better used for someone that ACTUALLY wants to be here.

And, sorry. The Canadian Gov't is just as nutty. You've one province that has the ability to run the show....and they don't even want to be part of the country! Maybe the most valuable resource in north america(oil shale) and you let a province sell it off to Oil Companies for pennies on the dollar...

oh? and what resources am I sucking up, exactly?

Regardless of the "nutty" Canadian govt, it runs the country reasonably well, and the economy is doing pretty good compared to much of the rest of the world that blindly followed US skeezy financial practices.. and it represents the wishes of its Canadian voters where as the US govt represents the wishes of banksters and big business including big oil.. if there is a govt thats nutty, its yours, imo.. look at the pointless costly wars its started, the young men and women that have died as a result, look at what your govt has done to your economy, destroying so many peoples lives, jobs, homes, ffs.. prisons for profit, the war on drugs that hasnt done anything but waste resources and put pot smokers in jail, abuse of forfieture laws and eminent domain which is legalized theft.. and you can expect your govt to screw up universal health care too.. cuz thats the nature of the beast..

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 5:33:00 AM

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Look, I am no fan of the wars or any of the problems that led up to them or are after them now. But lets be honest. Canada doesn't NEED a standing army. Why? Cause they have us sitting on their doorstep protecting them at every turn. Does Canada today have to worry about undo influence or pressure from Russia? China? No. It is left alone by those countries cause of the USA.

Wouldn't get so high up on that soapbox about your banks and housing either. Do you really suspect that Semi's in Toronto are sustainable above 500,000$ Cdn? No that bubble will burst soon enough.

Will of the people? So you are behind and in full agreement with the gencocide of aboriginal people being perpetrated by the Canadian Gov't. The Stealing of lands and lack of compensation to the tribes for that. Hunger, poverty, lack of opportunity, racism.....That is what you are proud of?

Recources? You drive our roads, drink our water, take our jobs, use our healthcare..........

End of the day, I love Canada. Stated it here many times. There is some much this country can learn from it. But, to say your gov't runs better than ours is folly.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 6:38:02 AM

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Look, I am no fan of the wars or any of the problems that led up to them or are after them now. But lets be honest. Canada doesn't NEED a standing army. Why? Cause they have us sitting on their doorstep protecting them at every turn. Does Canada today have to worry about undo influence or pressure from Russia? China? No. It is left alone by those countries cause of the USA.

Wouldn't get so high up on that soapbox about your banks and housing either. Do you really suspect that Semi's in Toronto are sustainable above 500,000$ Cdn? No that bubble will burst soon enough.

Will of the people? So you are behind and in full agreement with the gencocide of aboriginal people being perpetrated by the Canadian Gov't. The Stealing of lands and lack of compensation to the tribes for that. Hunger, poverty, lack of opportunity, racism.....That is what you are proud of?

Recources? You drive our roads, drink our water, take our jobs, use our healthcare..........

End of the day, I love Canada. Stated it here many times. There is some much this country can learn from it. But, to say your gov't runs better than ours is folly.

No, I have not taken anyone's job, I came here with my own money and spending it here has created jobs or at least help sustain them, not to mention paying taxes.. No, I dont use your health care either.. roads? drink water? about as much as a tourist does, or do you bitch about them sucking up resources? Americans travel to and move to Canada too and suck up more Canadian resourses than the minor amount I suck up here, which i pay for in taxes i pay, btw, so its not sucking them up..

Your govt was much better with Aboriginals, it just murdered most of them.. and was much better at stealing their land, from both Aboriginals and Mexicans.. You tried to invade and take Canada too but were unsuccessful.. Quite frankly, the world needs protection from the US, not protection by it.. Your govt is the bully of the world, it tries to force the rest of the world to live by its rules, now non-US banks must inform the US govt of any Americans with non-US bank accounts and shite like that.. travel is hell due to 9/11, years ago your govt pissed off the mid-east and affected other developed countries by the resulting terrorist attacks & threats and given the mid-east religious nuts power, control and a cause to fight.. Imo, if the US did not exist then other countries would fill the gap and do a much better job of it..

If your govt runs so much better then why say yours could learn much from Canada's govt? Your govt sucks but as an American you are impotent to do anything about that, other than bitch and maybe protest on occassion.. your vote means nothing other than replacing one pawn with another, whose true master are the banks and big business, those that give the most to their election campaigns are the ones that rule, not the voters.. but go ahead, delude yourself and think your govt runs better.. it really doesnt matter to me, since I dont have to live here, I have options.. you dont..

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 10:39:34 AM

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No tourists are great, immigrants are great. But, as you've said you are neither. So you are here and touch no service that taxpayer money pays for? Please. Don't be silly. Frankly, take you and your money home. We will get along just fine without you.

Never said we were good with Aboriginals. But worse? Take a look around. Facts don't lie

Please stop your bleating. Canada is safe and prosperous because it happens to be located next to the US. If it was located anywhere else in the world it would look like the Ukraine. Offering all its goods to the big brother next door and getting nothing in return.

Well we could learn from everyone. Would hope that best practices from all over are being sought out. It is the American way after all. See we are truely multicultural here. We don't have a State that says hey if you speak a certain language you go to the top of the list to immigrate. We actually try to respect all and try to become One. Are we perfect at it? Hell no. But at least we try. More than can be said for Canada where if you are French or English decent you always go to the head of the class.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 10:42:25 AM

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Not true

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More than can be said for Canada where if you are French or English decent you always

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 10:44:55 AM

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Sorry, If you speak french with a french last name (edited to add Quebec).....you are offered the moon.

Rest of the country I'd advise a nice english surname or get in the back of the bus. You've had a PM that wasn't either orange or francophone?

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 11:08:07 AM

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There's more people in Louisiana who speak French than purist Francophones in most of Canada, mate. It sounds like you've had really shitty luck when you were up there...

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 11:09:32 AM

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Sorry, If you speak french with a french last name (edited to add Quebec).....you are offered the moon.

Rest of the country I'd advise a nice english surname or get in the back of the bus. You've had a PM that wasn't either orange or francophone?

I waited seven years to get my immigration sorted and I have a VERY english last name and a very english background

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 1:05:06 PM

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No tourists are great, immigrants are great. But, as you've said you are neither. So you are here and touch no service that taxpayer money pays for? Please. Don't be silly. Frankly, take you and your money home. We will get along just fine without you.

Never said we were good with Aboriginals. But worse? Take a look around. Facts don't lie

Please stop your bleating. Canada is safe and prosperous because it happens to be located next to the US. If it was located anywhere else in the world it would look like the Ukraine. Offering all its goods to the big brother next door and getting nothing in return.

Well we could learn from everyone. Would hope that best practices from all over are being sought out. It is the American way after all. See we are truely multicultural here. We don't have a State that says hey if you speak a certain language you go to the top of the list to immigrate. We actually try to respect all and try to become One. Are we perfect at it? Hell no. But at least we try. More than can be said for Canada where if you are French or English decent you always go to the head of the class.

my mother spoke German only when she came to Canada, and not a word of English.. my father taught her English..

You can believe what you want about your country and your "American way", it doesnt matter too me.. but if I offer work to an American or several of them.. unlike you (who seems to be taking this all very personally) I think they would much prefer that I stay to me leaving..

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 1:41:42 PM

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Is that what you'd put on the license plate. DYB? "We're better than the Soviet Union was?" :)

"Canada is safe and prosperous because it happens to be located next to the US" gave me a bit of a smile. Just for fun, find me a homicide in Canada not involving a gun that came over the border. Oh, they exist, but you may be looking for a while. Ready? Go.

And...i love love love "best practices from all over are being sought out. It is the American way after all. See we are truly multicultural here." Should we talk about the speedy, sensible embrace of what 37 other countries are doing measurably better with health care? Or move right to the speedy, sensible embrace of what 37 other countries are doing measurably better with guns?

There's lots to like about the US, but far, far too many Americans, including American kids, including people I care about, die because no one will look beyond the border on the two most lethal issues.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 6:12:18 PM

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Dont let people fool you, they waited under the old system in the US.

True.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes in 2003, I was looking at months-long waits at endocrinology practices (in the nation's capital, not some wee village). Finally my cousin's husband, a doctor, connected me with one of his colleagues, and I was able to be seen sooner.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 7:45:23 PM

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There's more people in Louisiana who speak French than purist Francophones in most of Canada, mate. It sounds like you've had really shitty luck when you were up there...

So there is no preferential treatment of French Speaking Peoples wanting to immigrate to Quebec? I'd beg to differ

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 7:50:36 PM

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No tourists are great, immigrants are great. But, as you've said you are neither. So you are here and touch no service that taxpayer money pays for? Please. Don't be silly. Frankly, take you and your money home. We will get along just fine without you.

Never said we were good with Aboriginals. But worse? Take a look around. Facts don't lie

Please stop your bleating. Canada is safe and prosperous because it happens to be located next to the US. If it was located anywhere else in the world it would look like the Ukraine. Offering all its goods to the big brother next door and getting nothing in return.

Well we could learn from everyone. Would hope that best practices from all over are being sought out. It is the American way after all. See we are truely multicultural here. We don't have a State that says hey if you speak a certain language you go to the top of the list to immigrate. We actually try to respect all and try to become One. Are we perfect at it? Hell no. But at least we try. More than can be said for Canada where if you are French or English decent you always go to the head of the class.

my mother spoke German only when she came to Canada, and not a word of English.. my father taught her English..

You can believe what you want about your country and your "American way", it doesnt matter too me.. but if I offer work to an American or several of them.. unlike you (who seems to be taking this all very personally) I think they would much prefer that I stay to me leaving..

No more or less personally than you are. You simply don't want to hear that there is good and bad in both governments. You seem to be quite upset that I would tell you to take fucking hike back to your Country simply because I don't like you making snarky remarks about it. We(USA) don't need you or any of the jobs that you think you provide. There are plenty of others that want to invest and live here that actually like it. Do us both a favor

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 7:56:39 PM

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Is that what you'd put on the license plate. DYB? "We're better than the Soviet Union was?" :)

"Canada is safe and prosperous because it happens to be located next to the US" gave me a bit of a smile. Just for fun, find me a homicide in Canada not involving a gun that came over the border. Oh, they exist, but you may be looking for a while. Ready? Go.

And...i love love love "best practices from all over are being sought out. It is the American way after all. See we are truly multicultural here." Should we talk about the speedy, sensible embrace of what 37 other countries are doing measurably better with health care? Or move right to the speedy, sensible embrace of what 37 other countries are doing measurably better with guns?

There's lots to like about the US, but far, far too many Americans, including American kids, including people I care about, die because no one will look beyond the border on the two most lethal issues.

I think if you gaze around at my other posts you will see that I am very much aware of or problems on both those issues. My reference to your peace and prosperity dealt with Canada's proximity to the strongest country in the world. Scoff all you want at that but if Canada really had to raise a real army do you think the consequent raising of taxes or cutting of services would not lower the standard of living there?

My main contention is with another poster that wants to hate the place she lives while saying her former residence was much better. I am simply trying to help her make the right choice and head back to saskatoon.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 8:25:15 PM

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No tourists are great, immigrants are great. But, as you've said you are neither. So you are here and touch no service that taxpayer money pays for? Please. Don't be silly. Frankly, take you and your money home. We will get along just fine without you.

Never said we were good with Aboriginals. But worse? Take a look around. Facts don't lie

Please stop your bleating. Canada is safe and prosperous because it happens to be located next to the US. If it was located anywhere else in the world it would look like the Ukraine. Offering all its goods to the big brother next door and getting nothing in return.

Well we could learn from everyone. Would hope that best practices from all over are being sought out. It is the American way after all. See we are truely multicultural here. We don't have a State that says hey if you speak a certain language you go to the top of the list to immigrate. We actually try to respect all and try to become One. Are we perfect at it? Hell no. But at least we try. More than can be said for Canada where if you are French or English decent you always go to the head of the class.

my mother spoke German only when she came to Canada, and not a word of English.. my father taught her English..

You can believe what you want about your country and your "American way", it doesnt matter too me.. but if I offer work to an American or several of them.. unlike you (who seems to be taking this all very personally) I think they would much prefer that I stay to me leaving..

No more or less personally than you are. You simply don't want to hear that there is good and bad in both governments. You seem to be quite upset that I would tell you to take fucking hike back to your Country simply because I don't like you making snarky remarks about it. We(USA) don't need you or any of the jobs that you think you provide. There are plenty of others that want to invest and live here that actually like it. Do us both a favor

I have only said the very same things that other Americans have said about their own govt.. ffs, what was OWS all about?

No, I will leave when I want to.. btw I have never been to Saskatoon.. and when i do leave it wont be to go back to Canada, as I have said in posts before..

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/26/2012 8:28:02 PM

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I have this same thought. I'm an American living in Canada and I'm covered under their universal health care. I know a lot of friends who are. I've heard a lot of stories. I have yet to hear anything in the American media that even remotely resembles the reality.

Worst war story I've heard so far? Lengthy delays on non-critical MRI's (8 months). However, I've also seen the system adapt quickly to obviously urgent conditions. What's so utterly astonishing is how vastly cheaper it is. I can't seriously imagine anyone having been under both systems and not seeing how incredibly superior the Canadian one is. And heck, I was one of the privileged... I had a corporate health insurance package back in the states.

Thanks for sharing Jeff!
It's nice to hear about an ex-pat's experiences in another health care system.
The Canadian system seems to be very good from what I have heard.
Is it perfect?
Perhaps not, but what system anywhere is perfect?

It's certainly a billion times better, than what we have in the States.

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RE: A Republican encounters Canadian health care - 7/27/2012 12:13:05 AM

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My reference to your peace and prosperity dealt with Canada's proximity to the strongest country in the world. Scoff all you want at that but if Canada really had to raise a real army do you think the consequent raising of taxes or cutting of services would not lower the standard of living there?

My main contention is with another poster that wants to hate the place she lives while saying her former residence was much better. I am simply trying to help her make the right choice and head back to saskatoon.

Hey, I understand, and I have no trouble with you standing up for your country. so I won't dwell on the other points I made.

And no scoffing here, on sharing a border. We happen to live beside the biggest economy on the planet. But Canada already has a real army. The biggest in the world, per capita? No, and not the smallest, either. But do keep in mind only one country has ever attempted to invade, and they couldn't manage it...twice.

And hey, you should come and see Saskatoon. It's lovely. I even got married there, long ago, but I forgive them now. :)

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