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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 6:02:08 AM   
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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 6:28:54 AM   
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The alleged gayness of Bert and Ernie has made snopes: http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gaymuppet.asp

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 7:51:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just wanted to add, along the same lines of sesame street promoting tolerance and acceptance- in the South African and Nigerian versions, there is a muppet called Kami who is HIV positive and orphaned by AIDS, because that's a reality for a large number of children in those countries. Sesame Street/Henson and friends are amazing at dealing explicitly and yet gently with diversity issues. So what if they haven't said 'these muppets are gay'. They can't cover every issue. At some point you have to take the message of tolerance, friendship and acceptance as an overarching theme, rather than sticking only to the specific examples given.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 8:04:04 AM   
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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 8:41:00 AM   
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If I had to guess I would say because the show is aimed at kids.

Gay kids aren't entitled to role models just like straight kids, then?

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 10:18:45 AM   
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If I had to guess I would say because the show is aimed at kids.

Gay kids aren't entitled to role models just like straight kids, then?



How old are you when you know you're gay, I wonder? Is coming out an issue for five year olds? Having same sex parent families and such would be a more logical next step.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 10:30:26 AM   
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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 10:55:51 AM   
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Gay kids aren't entitled to role models just like straight kids, then?


Sooooo You say... sexual orientation is essential for a role model for 3 to 10 year olds?

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 11:58:40 AM   
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Gay kids aren't entitled to role models just like straight kids, then?


Sooooo You say... sexual orientation is essential for a role model for 3 to 10 year olds?

Butch

Not what I said, or even a half decent strawman.
As Lady Hib has suggested, having been shown a that the straight married couple isn't the only basis possible for organising a family unit might, and so having had a while to get used to the idea before they hit puberty, might well make kids a bit more comfortable about finding themselves in the ten percent of the population the religious right have it in for when they get a bit older.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:11:50 PM   
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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:12:53 PM   
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shown a that the straight married couple isn't the only basis possible for organising a family unit might, and so having had a while to get used to the idea before they hit puberty



Sounds the same with just more words... this is a child's show and straight...gay...designations for family units are not needed or appropriate...Let the families do this explaining when they think the kids can understand.

At least that is my opinion.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:22:00 PM   
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You do understand that the Children's Television Workship (that actually produces Sesame Street) and the muppets aren't one and the same, yes?



Yep.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:34:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Muppets franchise has been sold several times, and is currently owned by Disney.

I worked on the Muppets Tonight show back in the day, and Brian Henson (son of Jim) is a brilliant, creative guy who understands how to make people laugh. I have worked with him since (he has created newer, slightly older, more "real" and somewhat more edgy puppets), and he's still hilarious and very creative.

I was saddened when Disney bought the name and images. Disney is the Borg and exceptionally evil.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:36:09 PM   
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eta: did you work on Dark Crystal, by chance? absolutely one of my favorite movies EVER!!

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:39:49 PM   
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If I had to guess I would say because the show is aimed at kids.

Gay kids aren't entitled to role models just like straight kids, then?



dpn't put words in my mouth. I never said that or implied it.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:43:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care what Snopes says (I didn't even look). Bert & Ernie always struck me as very similar to people that were in my own family that were "confirmed bachelors/bacheloettes". That was the "polite code word" we used to describe relatives that were gay.
 
 
 
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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:45:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was slated to work on Dark Crystal, but was offered a longterm TV series and decided to take that instead.

People may not know that in the first iteration of the Muppets (as first seen on Ed Sullivan and other shows), they were MUCH less cuddly and sweet than the Muppets who evolved to being on Sesame Street :).

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:46:27 PM   
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If I had to guess I would say because the show is aimed at kids.

Gay kids aren't entitled to role models just like straight kids, then?



How old are you when you know you're gay, I wonder? Is coming out an issue for five year olds? Having same sex parent families and such would be a more logical next step.



I started becoming aware of it in jr high. The only part tv played in it was my awareness that I like the actresses a lot more than the actors. As to the muppets, I don't recall any of the muppets having normal families. Now I suppose any of the scenes of Fozzie in the caves with the other bears could be considered one or perhaps the chickens, but for the most part they are all friends hanging out with each other. Now they did have Kermit and Miss Piggy get married, but they never really carried it any farther than that. Personally I think people are trying to make kids grow up too fast some times. The show has been on for years entertaining people and I don't understand why that should change.

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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 1:54:50 PM   
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I was slated to work on Dark Crystal, but was offered a longterm TV series and decided to take that instead.

People may not know that in the first iteration of the Muppets (as first seen on Ed Sullivan and other shows), they were MUCH less cuddly and sweet than the Muppets who evolved to being on Sesame Street :).



I didn't realize that the muppets went that far back!!



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RE: Why are there no gay Muppets? - 7/25/2012 2:46:50 PM   
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