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Musicmystery -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:01:51 PM)

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And Romney isnt Bush


I know, I keep saying that. He's Bush on Steroids. Bush is tame compared to this guy.

MORE unfunded military spending. Much more. MORE unfunded tax cuts. Much more.

With what money? More Magic Money?

The structural mess Bush made of 2000 surplus is just the warm-up for this guy. Imagine a quadrupling like Reagan did--from $15 trillion to $60 trillion in modern numbers. That kind of Bush on Steroids (however the actual numbers played out).




Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:15:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

MORE unfunded military spending. Much more. MORE unfunded tax cuts. Much more.


So Mitt Romney doesnt believe that individuals owe their life work to the government? Good.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

With what money? More Magic Money?



Its magic money that Comrade Barack is using to fund his magic free health care plan. Despite promises to trim the deficits by half he is expanding spending by trillions

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
The structural mess Bush made of 2000 surplus is just the warm-up for this guy. Imagine a quadrupling like Reagan did--from $15 trillion to $60 trillion in modern numbers. That kind of Bush on Steroids (however the actual numbers played out).


Again, while it is true that Bush was no conservative... Congressional Dems were in charge of the budgets, and going back to Jimmy Carter the Dems pushed the insane Community Reinvestment Act (you can call it the magic money act) that caused the financial meltdown that we are still suffering echoes from today

Try to blame it all on Bush if you want, you can even try to blame Obamas current insanity on Bush for all I care... But thats ridiculous, and everyone with half a mind (who isnt on drugs or otherwise drinking the Kool-Aide) knows it











Musicmystery -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:23:18 PM)

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Bush was no conservative... Congressional Dems were in charge of the budgets


Try again. House and Senate solidly Republican 2001-2007. They spent their time trying to create a permanent majority. In 2006, America told them to fuck off.

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Try to blame it all on Bush if you want

You keep debating positions that aren't there. I've already posted several times that budget wise, both parties are peddling crap. But if the name has an R, you say "give them a chance--even though they want to do what was already done to create the structural damage and to do more of it."

It's wishful thinking. Magic Money. We'll just "grow" out of it. No, we won't.





BamaD -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:25:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

So what is Romney's plan for funding the tax cuts and military spending if that's a lie, then?

The statement above looked a lot like he was talking about civilian pay and benifits. Where were you when Obama was talking about instituting a new retirement system which would have left most service people without a retirement.




Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:28:56 PM)


On one hand you claim theyre all the same.... Obama is Bush light, yada yada yada

Well then - if the differences are really so slight, boot the proven liar and bring on the new guy.

It really is that simple




Musicmystery -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:36:28 PM)

This just goes in circles.

1) Less of Bush or Much More of Bush? = Obama
2) Health care or no Health care? = Obama
3) unfunded tax cuts or mega unfunded tax cuts? = Obama
4) unfunded expansion of the military? = Obama
5) Supreme Court justices? = Obama
6) Returning the Republican Lockstep machine to power? = Obama

Bush Lite or Bush on Steroids is hardly a "slight" difference.
It's "not doing enough to address where we are" vs. "making where we are much, much worse by making what got us here even more so"

I can't be the guy's cheerleader, other than getting *something* through on health care, and reducing the bullshit foreign policy rhetoric.

But voting to make things much worse would just be insane.





Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:42:16 PM)


You obviously trust what Mitt Romney says, apparently thats the basis for your exaggerated fear mongering in regard to his stated policy. But how do you know Obama wont cut the military pay and benefits. What makes you believe that Obama wont greatly expand the military, or just continue to pile on the debt as we head over the fiscal cliff, when time and again he tells us one thing and then does the complete opposite of what he promises.




FrostedFlake -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:47:49 PM)

Oh come on!

Cutting federal employees pay is a tax.

Ya hear me? Tax! Tax! Tax! tax! TAX!

That is the plan in a nutshell. Tax the workers and their childrens' childrens' children while letting the bosses off the hook. Not so much again, as still.

Oh, and, uh, let's not even discuss reigning in the war machine. We don't get to decide that. It's not on the ballot.

Edit : Speling




tazzygirl -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:51:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

So what is Romney's plan for funding the tax cuts and military spending if that's a lie, then?


Let's take Obama's word for it, after all he cannot tell a lie, right?[8|]



Take Romney's word for it then.





abeauty4Dickhead -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:54:07 PM)

Yes. Supposedly Obama wants additional troops. Yet, just in the last year most have been forced to make major cuts. First and foremost, to clarify that I do in fact know that of which I speak, I am a current active duty military wife. In the past year just in my husband's division alone, they have succumbed to something called "PTS" or Perform to Serve. Meaning that if you had a less than stellar evaluation or weren't living up to what they think you should be doing, you are gone. No matter if you still have time left in your contract or not. That in and of itself I don't take issue with. I mean if you don't perform in the public sector, you get fired/terminated. My issue, and the greatest number lost recently was something called ERB or Eligibility Review Board. What that means is they took everyone with 7 to 15 years of service in, they review your file. If there is anything in your past service, even if you were already "punished" for it, would be grounds for separation. Case in point, a fellow member with 15 years of service in went before the ERB. Due to a DUI that he received 10 years ago and already went thru disciplinary action (mind you he was found NOT guilty of DUI by the civilian sector)... he was forcibly separated. Basically, if you were between 7 and 15 years, you had 2 opportunities to be terminated. Even if you had done nothing wrong. Is that right? While I do appreciate (believe me I do) the fact that we are "pulling out" of our skirmishes overseas... what are these guys coming home to? We are already at dangerous unemployment levels, and now you want to bring back these guys (many who are reservists) are coming home to no jobs. Yes, federal law mandates that an employer must maintain their spot while they serving in combat, if there is no company to come home to, obviously they won't have the job.

I find it ironic that when the government can't reach an agreement on budgetary items that it is the elderly, social security, and military checks that are in the biggest jeopardy. Just this year alone, we have had to hold our breath on 2 separate occasions where if an agreement wasn't reached, the military pay checks were in jeopardy.

Also, last time I checked, with the exception of civilian military contractors, law enforcement personnel, etc, the ad executive down the street wasn't in a life threatening situation. Are you going to "attempt" to make military pay in line with law enforcement or worse yet security guards? Last time I check, most civilian jobs didn't require a year or more away from your family. Doesn't require communication blackouts where you aren't even able to speak with said loved ones.

So until you can show me a comparable "civilian" job... I really don't see how you can bring military pay on par with everyone else.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:58:39 PM)

Beauty, long time no see and welcome to the basement.




subrob1967 -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:58:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

So what is Romney's plan for funding the tax cuts and military spending if that's a lie, then?


Let's take Obama's word for it, after all he cannot tell a lie, right?[8|]



Take Romney's word for it then.




Show us where Romney actually said that, and not the Obama's spokesman.




tazzygirl -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 12:59:51 PM)

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending

Improve Efficiency And Effectiveness. Where the federal government should act, it must do a better job. For instance:
Reduce Waste And Fraud — Savings: $60 Billion. The federal government made $125 billion in improper payments last year. Cutting that amount in half through stricter enforcement and harsher penalties yields returns many times over on the investment.
Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector — Savings: $47 Billion. Federal compensation exceeds private sector levels by as much as 30 to 40 percent when benefits are taken into account. This must be corrected.
Repeal The Davis-Bacon Act — Savings: $11 Billion. Davis-Bacon forces the government to pay above-market wages, insulating labor unions from competition and driving up project costs by approximately 10 percent.
Reduce The Federal Workforce By 10 Percent Via Attrition — Savings: $4 Billion. Despite widespread layoffs in the private sector, President Obama has continued to grow the federal payrolls. The federal workforce can be reduced by 10 percent through a “1-for-2” system of attrition, thereby reducing the number of federal employees while allowing the introduction of new talent into the federal service.
Consolidate agencies and streamline processes to cut costs and improve results in everything from energy permitting to worker retraining to trade negotiation.





Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:02:32 PM)


That doesnt match the propaganda the Obama spokeshole spews in your OP taz

"To pay for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, (Romney) drastically cuts pay for the men and women who secure our borders and skies, enforce our laws, inspect our food and search for better treatments and cures," said Obama spokesman Adam Fetcher.




Musicmystery -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:04:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You obviously trust what Mitt Romney says, apparently thats the basis for your exaggerated fear mongering in regard to his stated policy. But how do you know Obama wont cut the military pay and benefits. What makes you believe that Obama wont greatly expand the military, or just continue to pile on the debt as we head over the fiscal cliff, when time and again he tells us one thing and then does the complete opposite of what he promises.

Oh good grief. lol.

How do you know Romney won't order the CIA to kill the first born of every family and drink their blood?

[8|]

So their actual campaigns mean nothing to you. R or D.

Thanks for playing.




tazzygirl -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:14:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


That doesnt match the propaganda the Obama spokeshole spews in your OP taz

"To pay for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, (Romney) drastically cuts pay for the men and women who secure our borders and skies, enforce our laws, inspect our food and search for better treatments and cures," said Obama spokesman Adam Fetcher.


When did the military get excluded as federal employees?




Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:29:44 PM)


When the Romney campaign wrote "Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector..."

Thats when

Else, explain how does current military pay exceeds the military pay in the private sector




tazzygirl -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:30:49 PM)

Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector

He said nothing about pay....




Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:37:44 PM)


Fine

Explain how does current military "compensation" exceeds the military "compensation" in the private sector

(But he didnt say any such thing... it was written in a policy statement entitled "Smarter, Simpler, Smarter Government") [;)]

Which I like that philosophy, and I will bet that I am not alone

Especially as opposed to team Obamas, "You cant do anything without government" approach

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector

He said nothing about pay....






Sanity -> RE: Military cuts (7/29/2012 1:41:55 PM)


No, not "campaigns" plural, its Obama alone who has a history of promising everything and failing to even make an effort at delivering

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Oh good grief. lol.

How do you know Romney won't order the CIA to kill the first born of every family and drink their blood?

[8|]

So their actual campaigns mean nothing to you. R or D.

Thanks for playing.





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