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RemoteUser -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 8:14:23 PM)
Politicians never lose the war, they adapt. What citizens do...well... Admittedly, the States already lost to Canada where culture is concerned. And we're much snider, though subtle, like elves during that happy time of the month.

dcnovice -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 8:19:27 PM)
quote: someone posted a link to a well written story about the church a little while back. Oh good Lord, I think that may have been me. Sigh. Heat and stress have ravaged my memory this summer.

TheHeretic -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 8:32:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: someone posted a link to a well written story about the church a little while back. Oh good Lord, I think that may have been me. Sigh. Heat and stress have ravaged my memory this summer. I saw yours, DC, and while it confirms some of the same things, I don't think I had to register with any websites to get to the story from the link. I wasn't being discrete. Heat and stress, and possibly back medication, have done the same to my memory. I really can't remember who posted it, and I think it was in a thread, rather than an OP.

DomKen -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 8:37:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So its a bad thing to publicize and oppose the expansion of a business that funds hate groups? What if Chik-Fil-A funded the Klan? Would it be bad to boycott them and publicize wher they spend their money? Why does adhering to the Christian tenant concerning marriage constitute hate? Who said it did? Not me. Chik-Fil-A is doing more with its money than opposing marriage equality.

Musicmystery -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 8:42:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He doesn't appear to be very good at it. Translation. "Yes, Rich is absolutely right in his description of Phelps. Thank God only 15-30% of Democrat Primary voters will vote for him." (And I don't need a translator app - Quite fluent, thank you) Translation -- "Rich will make up whatever he wants anything to mean, so actual conversation and points are unnecessary."

TheHeretic -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 8:59:48 PM)
That was more a joke for Hillwilliam, Muse, but you certainly sidestepped the point, and now seem to be hoping the conversation can be dragged off into the weeds. C'mon, you can say it. Westboro Baptist was founded and led by a NAACP honored civil-rights attorney, and frequent candidate for Democrat nominations.

SternSkipper -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 9:55:08 PM)
quote: Or are you saying that progressives don't want to tell people how to live? One just needs to look at NYC to know your wrong, Bloomberg is now trying to lock up baby formula in hospitals so he can force mother's to breast feed their new born. And regulate your salt intake, AND soda drinking... Yeah neighbor, you're right, I'm full of shit Rob's right, this business of cutting back on the soda companies revenues is barbaric. Places like NYC need to get back to the 'Rudy G' days when the cops beat homeless guys to death and handled immigrants with complaints about racist behavior by raping them with broom handles. And while we're at it let's kick those fucks that put fucking nutricious food ion front of my kids in the cafeteria. I want to get back to the days when ketchup was a fucking vegetable and globs of brown fucking goo was ... well... they never did adequately explain to me what that shit was. Oddly, I paid less for school lunches after they cut out the "stewart sandwiches" crap that Bill Weld, Paul Cellucci , and Mitt Romney dictated the schools serve my kids. This business of the first lady forcing schools to institute programs where the food is actually nutritious is pure communism.

SternSkipper -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 9:59:05 PM)
quote: Translation -- "Rich will make up whatever he wants anything to mean, so actual conversation and points are unnecessary." No ... say it ain't so [image]http://yoursmiles.org/bsmile/fun/b0230.gif[/image]

TheHeretic -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 10:07:52 PM)
Pretty much on track with what I predicted when I posted the Wiki link (which anyone is free to Google away on, if they want to be snobs). Oops. People are now making a poster who said something unpopular the topic. Better lock this thread up, and make the whole inconvenient fact of the Westboro Baptist Democrats go away.

DomKen -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 10:30:49 PM)
If Phelps is a Democrat more than a decade after running for office, and losing, what does that make David Duke? He actually won an election as a Republican?

TheHeretic -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/30/2012 10:37:55 PM)
No way to block the scroll... <sigh> It makes Duke a hijack attempt, Ken. Let's refresh, so you can be sure to stay on topic. It was asked by one our fine British posters, that an example be provided of Democrat religious nut homophobes. The example was provided. Sorry if people have their knickers in a twist over a truth that doesn't fit their bigotry.

tweakabelle -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 12:16:53 AM)
Whatever about the culture wars, the Right has just lost the climate change war and been routed in the process. Culture wars take a little longer, and are never really concluded as decisively as the climate change war was. As one issue is bedded down, another arena in the culture wars opens up. So I wonder where the Right will re-emerge after its pasting on the climate change issue ...... The Texas Republicans stand against "critical thinking" is an ominous indicator.

farglebargle -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 12:31:09 AM)
When you apply for a business license and invite the public in, then refusing to serve gays and lesbians isn't freedom, it's bigotry. The owners FREEDOM ended the moment they applied for a license. They EXCHANGED their "rights" for "privileges". And if they regret that after the fact, it's their own fault.

epiphiny43 -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 1:15:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers I know, I know, the right wants to party and let somebody else...cover the costs. Yes, most...not all but most politicians will say just about anything to get and remain elected...the right is easily the most guilty party...not the progressives. Prove it, show us the burned out husk of a major city in a conservative state. Detroit was once known THE MOTOR CITY, they once were THEE place automobiles were made. Chicago is now a cesspool of shootings, and flash mob assaults. Show us where a conservative run city has turned out as bad as either of these examples of progressive leadership. I guess drinking the Fox News Koolaid is a whole lifestyle now? The international business community sees it differently. http://www.fdiintelligence.com/Archive/US-City-of-the-Future-Chicago Chicago is currently top rated city in the Western Hemisphere for economic potential. Guadalajara second. Not too shabby for a burned out hulk, with a higher GDP than Switzerland or a number of other countries? The Rust Belt economic issues came from numerous forces, the movement of the US from a manufacturing economy to a service one more than any other. Steel couldn't compete in a first world labor market till the competition's population's expectations rose significantly. Which has hit Japan hard, is blasting Korea now and China is losing factories daily to emerging industrial zones with minimal wage expectations. Everyone gets obsoleted till the labor market evens up everywhere. Many of us will live to see it, the collateral damage is all the cars and consumer goods worldwide using energy and resources 4 to 10 times as fast, which the planet can't sustain. Steel (High end alloys, not the cheap stuff) is currently in a minor recovery as the changing energy market needs thousands of miles of pipeline to move oil and gas about the country as new economics and energy recovery technology brings production back to North America. (WITH all the environmental degradation that Big Oil can manage to lobby through Congress to puff profits.) Autos recovered, after the factories moved to lower labor markets in the US and now have established a two tier wage scale so the older workers can still pay their mortgages but the new hires make half that, and won't be buying homes without the SO making more than the auto worker. Why is reality always so much more complicated yet logical once you mine a bit of data than the easy Right Wing answers? Not defending many of the astoundingly muddle headed 'Liberal' programs, but minus the racism and hate for anyone different and the strong need to make everything as simple as a game of tictactoe, the choice of evils is a no brainer. The OP's thesis had better be true. Oh, yeah, Chicago is one of the two leading US cities for 'progressive' planning for the expected changes and intensity in expected weather and environmental emergencies. Starting with keeping people from dying during heat waves and extending through the whole list of expected changes as the nation and planet warm. Which seems to be happening even in States that don't believe in all that.

thishereboi -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 4:32:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi One of these day you are going to figure out that there are homophobes and religious nuts on the left too. Then who are you going to hate? Care to name a few of them? (Helpful hint: neither Stalin, Hitler nor Pol Pot were lefties, whatever Rush says...) My next door neighbor, my friends husband and the freinds he hangs with. The idiot at the 7-11 who can't understand why his fellow democrats would turn traitor on him and vote in "one of those" making it impossible for him to vote in the election. I could go on, but I really don't want to waste the time on someone who will disregard my examples anyway. But if you really want more, check out the many liberal churches around the city and ask what their stand on gay marriage is. You will find, like California did in the last pres election, that there are many liberals who don't think gays have the right to marry.

thishereboi -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 4:40:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers What 'progressives' are you referring to ? Teddy Roosevelt, Warren Buffet, Michael Bloomberg ? The term 'progressives' can take on any connotation one wishes. Yes, the conservatives, at least those from the 'rigthteous' right are watching the progressive social agenda become much more popular than their hypocritical and often ignorant, uninformed way. They prefer what the policies of the 'W's" of the world and what others on the right have brought us...the indentured (debt ridden) divided, impoverished serfdom of the new world order. How is that progressive social agenda working in Chicago, or Detroit neighbor? Oh not at all and on the contrary. It is the capitalist agenda designing the future of most cities and they are doing just fine...lining the upper Streeterville markets while letting the projects decay in a rubble. (the fortune 1000 has virtually eliminated ALL labor from all US cities) In Detroit again it is the capitalist policies that have completely eviscerated the entire manufacturing base having moved labor to the real profit-center...communist, slave labor. Almost anything positive out of those cities is despite the right wing so-called 'conservative' agenda. Detroit has a conservative agenda. OMFG that was funny. But seriously, they meant the Detroit in Michigan. Not what ever city you have made up in your head.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 5:31:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He doesn't appear to be very good at it. Translation. "Yes, Rich is absolutely right in his description of Phelps. Thank God only 15-30% of Democrat Primary voters will vote for him." (And I don't need a translator app - Quite fluent, thank you) Your post said "Are Liberal Democrats" Your evidence shows that well over a decade ago, they "WERE Democrats" Again, do you have any evidence that they ARE liberal Democrats before you send me any more childish emails on the other side (I really thought you were better than that but I guess I was wrong)?[8\|]

mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 5:56:31 AM)
So, some dipshit runs 5 times for office as a democrat, and doesn't make it anywhere. Cuz he obviously has nothing in common with democratic thought. But this is the anecdote that provides the synecdoche, and they point and say, 'SEE?'. And ALL Republicans are chomping at the bit to get to the Minneapolis Airport Bathroom. And that's how that phrase keeps turning up. As Willard says, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Lucylastic -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 6:09:37 AM)
I keep hearing strains of the oft misreported Churchill quote""If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain"

Sanity -> RE: Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War (7/31/2012 6:32:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Your post said "Are Liberal Democrats" Your evidence shows that well over a decade ago, they "WERE Democrats" Again, do you have any evidence that they ARE liberal Democrats before you send me any more childish emails on the other side (I really thought you were better than that but I guess I was wrong)?[8\|] That would have been more than enough evidence were it the other way around, without a doubt. That it is presented against your side is but a call to extreme anger though... very typically, at least.

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