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Heat and stress, and possibly back medication, have done the same to my memory. 

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complex

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Rich is a RINO

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If my comment was the only thing in your inbox, Hillwilliam, that's exactly why it was there.

You can read the discussion that followed your departure last night, or the link that DC remembered. 

Westboro Baptist was founded and led by an NAACP honored civil-rights attorney, and frequent candidate for Democrat nominations.  If you have a problem accepting that reality, it ain't my problem.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Your post said "Are Liberal Democrats"
Your evidence shows that well over a decade ago, they "WERE Democrats"

Again, do you have any evidence that they ARE liberal Democrats before you send me any more childish emails on the other side (I really thought you were better than that but I guess I was wrong)?[8|]

That would have been more than enough evidence were it the other way around, without a doubt. That it is presented against your side is but a call to extreme anger though... very typically, at least.

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I guess drinking the Fox News Koolaid is a whole lifestyle now? The international business community sees it differently. http://www.fdiintelligence.com/Archive/US-City-of-the-Future-Chicago
Chicago is currently top rated city in the Western Hemisphere for economic potential. Guadalajara second. Not too shabby for a burned out hulk, with a higher GDP than Switzerland or a number of other countries?
The Rust Belt economic issues came from numerous forces, the movement of the US from a manufacturing economy to a service one more than any other. Steel couldn't compete in a first world labor market till the competition's population's expectations rose significantly. Which has hit Japan hard, is blasting Korea now and China is losing factories daily to emerging industrial zones with minimal wage expectations. Everyone gets obsoleted till the labor market evens up everywhere. Many of us will live to see it, the collateral damage is all the cars and consumer goods worldwide using energy and resources 4 to 10 times as fast, which the planet can't sustain.
Steel (High end alloys, not the cheap stuff) is currently in a minor recovery as the changing energy market needs thousands of miles of pipeline to move oil and gas about the country as new economics and energy recovery technology brings production back to North America. (WITH all the environmental degradation that Big Oil can manage to lobby through Congress to puff profits.) Autos recovered, after the factories moved to lower labor markets in the US and now have established a two tier wage scale so the older workers can still pay their mortgages but the new hires make half that, and won't be buying homes without the SO making more than the auto worker.
Why is reality always so much more complicated yet logical once you mine a bit of data than the easy Right Wing answers? Not defending many of the astoundingly muddle headed 'Liberal' programs, but minus the racism and hate for anyone different and the strong need to make everything as simple as a game of tictactoe, the choice of evils is a no brainer. The OP's thesis had better be true.

Oh, yeah, Chicago is one of the two leading US cities for 'progressive' planning for the expected changes and intensity in expected weather and environmental emergencies. Starting with keeping people from dying during heat waves and extending through the whole list of expected changes as the nation and planet warm. Which seems to be happening even in States that don't believe in all that.

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It's been a while since I last barked up this tree. But Gov. Pat Quinn, D, and the Democratic legislature, with their last-minute lame-duck tax increase, have managed to do something that even the Great Chicago Fire couldn't accomplish: Drive the company that runs the Chicago Board of Trade out of Chicago.

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Four months ago, I wrote a piece highlighting all the problems tax hikes, out-of-control spending, and an unfriendly business environment has brought to Illinois. We were losing more and more jobs every month, owed $37.9 billion more than the value of all of our assets combined, and had the worst funded pension system in the country.

Today, the stats are only worse for Illinois since the record tax hike was enacted.

In addition to pushing jobs and businesses out of state, the Illinois Policy Institute released a report this week showing how high taxes and mandatory union membership participation have also forced over 800,000 residents to migrate out of Illinois over the last 15 years – including to each of its neighbors: Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, and Iowa. That average’s to about one Illinois taxpayer leaving every 10 minutes, taking away a total of over $26 billion in taxable income with them.

While Illinois’ neighbors have enjoyed benefits from its woes, the report showed the biggest recipients of Illinois’ mass exodus of residents and money were no income tax, right-to-work states Texas and Florida.

Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that Illinois was creating more jobs every month as the national economy began to recover. However, since the 67% income tax and 45% corporate tax hikes were enacted in January, the state has led the nation in job losses with over 100,000 now, pushing our unemployment rate to 10.1%.

While businesses like Abbott Laboratories and Jimmy John’s are looking to escape aggressive regulations, high taxes, and an over-controlling state government as well, other businesses like Modern Drop Forge and FatWallet already have and took their jobs with them. Still other businesses like Canadian National Railway moved its locomotive repair shop and 250 jobs from Illinois to Indiana and Peoria-based Caterpillar Inc. has expressed its reluctance to expand or relocate any jobs back home due to the Illinois state government’s “rudderless, dysfunctional business climate.”

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Thanks to Illinois governor Pat Quinn and the Illinois legislature Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation
In a trend that continues to worsen, more Illinoisans found themselves unemployed in the month of July.
Illinois lost more jobs during the month of July than any other state in the nation, according to the most recent Bureau of Labor Statistics report. After losing 7,200 jobs in June, Illinois lost an additional 24,900 non-farm payroll jobs in July. The report also said Illinois’s unemployment rate climbed to 9.5 percent. This marks the third consecutive month of increases in the unemployment rate.
Illinois started to create jobs as the national economy began to recover. But just when Illinois’s economy seemed to be turning around, lawmakers passed record tax increases in January of this year. Since then, Illinois’s employment numbers have done nothing but decline

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
I know, I know, the right wants to party and let somebody else...cover the costs. Yes, most...not all but most politicians will say just about anything to get and remain elected...the right is easily the most guilty party...not the progressives.

Prove it, show us the burned out husk of a major city in a conservative state. Detroit was once known THE MOTOR CITY, they once were THEE place automobiles were made. Chicago is now a cesspool of shootings, and flash mob assaults. Show us where a conservative run city has turned out as bad as either of these examples of progressive leadership.

I guess drinking the Fox News Koolaid is a whole lifestyle now? The international business community sees it differently. http://www.fdiintelligence.com/Archive/US-City-of-the-Future-Chicago
Chicago is currently top rated city in the Western Hemisphere for economic potential. Guadalajara second. Not too shabby for a burned out hulk, with a higher GDP than Switzerland or a number of other countries?
The Rust Belt economic issues came from numerous forces, the movement of the US from a manufacturing economy to a service one more than any other. Steel couldn't compete in a first world labor market till the competition's population's expectations rose significantly. Which has hit Japan hard, is blasting Korea now and China is losing factories daily to emerging industrial zones with minimal wage expectations. Everyone gets obsoleted till the labor market evens up everywhere. Many of us will live to see it, the collateral damage is all the cars and consumer goods worldwide using energy and resources 4 to 10 times as fast, which the planet can't sustain.
Steel (High end alloys, not the cheap stuff) is currently in a minor recovery as the changing energy market needs thousands of miles of pipeline to move oil and gas about the country as new economics and energy recovery technology brings production back to North America. (WITH all the environmental degradation that Big Oil can manage to lobby through Congress to puff profits.) Autos recovered, after the factories moved to lower labor markets in the US and now have established a two tier wage scale so the older workers can still pay their mortgages but the new hires make half that, and won't be buying homes without the SO making more than the auto worker.
Why is reality always so much more complicated yet logical once you mine a bit of data than the easy Right Wing answers? Not defending many of the astoundingly muddle headed 'Liberal' programs, but minus the racism and hate for anyone different and the strong need to make everything as simple as a game of tictactoe, the choice of evils is a no brainer. The OP's thesis had better be true.

Oh, yeah, Chicago is one of the two leading US cities for 'progressive' planning for the expected changes and intensity in expected weather and environmental emergencies. Starting with keeping people from dying during heat waves and extending through the whole list of expected changes as the nation and planet warm. Which seems to be happening even in States that don't believe in all that.

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Heat and stress, and possibly back medication, have done the same to my memory. 

Hang in there, Rich! Sorry to hear about the back.

Sounds like Phelps is more complex than I'd realized.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Rich is just bitter and angry.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Translation........NO

Using the free conservative translator app, huh, Hill?  Did the link to download it come in a Truth Team email?

I'm aware that this is the new tactic.  A conservative says something that is true, but doesn't fit the template.  Liberals call him a liar, say nasty things, get the thread locked, and the whole uncomfortable truth goes poof. 

Let's beat the curve, and offer you the Wiki on church founder Fred Phelps, shall we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

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Civil rights casesPhelps earned a law degree from Washburn University in 1964, and founded the Phelps Chartered law firm.[13] The first notable cases were related to civil rights. "I systematically brought down the Jim Crow laws of this town," he claims.[4] Phelps' daughter was quoted as saying, "We took on the Jim Crow establishment, and Kansas did not take that sitting down. They used to shoot our car windows out, screaming we were nigger lovers," and that the Phelps law firm made up one-third of the state's federal docket of civil rights cases.[14]
Phelps took cases on behalf of African-American clients alleging racial discrimination by school systems, and a predominantly black American Legion post which had been raided by police, alleging racially based police abuse.[15] Phelps' law firm obtained settlements for some clients.[16] Phelps also sued President Ronald Reagan over Reagan's appointment of a U.S. ambassador to the Vatican, alleging this violated separation of church and state. The case was dismissed by the U.S. district court.[16][17] Phelps' law firm, staffed by himself and family members also represented non-white Kansans in discrimination actions against Kansas City Power and Light, Southwestern Bell, and the Topeka City Attorney, and represented two female professors alleging discrimination in Kansas universities.[14]
In the 1980s, Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP, for his work on behalf of black clients.[18]


Democratic PartyPhelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15 percent of the vote in 1998.[33] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31 percent of the vote.[34] Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993[35][36] and 1997.[37]

Support for Al GorePhelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party presidential primary election.[37] In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm".[38] Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.[39] According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.[4]

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Rich is just bitter and angry.

Did you get your psychoanalysis app from the same Truth Team email that had the link for Hillwilliam's translator, Muse?

I'm remarkably well adjusted, with healthy outlets, and a positive outlook on the future.

I'd now try to turn this back towards how we characterize the sides of the culture war, and whether the partisan template works at all, but your post had nothing to do with any of that.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Rich is just bitter and angry.

Did you get your psychoanalysis app from the same Truth Team email that had the link for Hillwilliam's translator, Muse?

I'm remarkably well adjusted, with healthy outlets, and a positive outlook on the future.

I'd now try to turn this back towards how we characterize the sides of the culture war, and whether the partisan template works at all, but your post had nothing to do with any of that.

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Is it opposite month ???
theres an awful lack of excitement or praise for the presidential hopeful

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Poll: Enthusiasm up for Romney, down for Obama


A new CBS News/New York Times poll to be released Wednesday found some troubling trends for Team Obama...

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/07/poll-enthusiasm-up-for-romney-down-for-obama-129315.html