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Real0ne -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/1/2012 9:55:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr The same people that don't want government having access to a woman's womb seem to be okay with giving government access to a whole slew of peoples' bodies. It should be very interesting to watch this shit hit the fan. I almost hope the failure-in-chief does get re-elected. Peace and comfort, Michael well lets face it they are dumb enough to believe this is a democracy, they will believe any damn thing

claree -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/1/2012 11:37:33 PM)
The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong? This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free. Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry.

tweakabelle -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 3:20:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: So, this stuff isn't "Free" as mnottertail mentioned. It's just "free" to the user. But, by no means is it completely free. It's just like the "Affordable Care Act" isn't actually making it Affordable for everyone, just affordable for some (via subsidization). The above is part of the ACA. Feel free to resurrect a thread on ACA funding. Yup, it's part of Obamacare. Nope, it's not "free." Might be "free" for the ones getting it, but it's not "free." Someone is going to pay for it. And, that money has to come from somewhere. And, any savings that will purportedly be seen won't be seen any time soon. On other threads you have argued passionately (and sensibly I thought) for a greater focus on preventative medicine. Perhaps you failed to notice the headline in the OP: Women's *preventative* services now covered under Obamacare. (my emphasis) Now it appears you are up in arms about the very thing you advocated for and proposed not so long ago .........

DesideriScuri -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 4:56:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle On other threads you have argued passionately (and sensibly I thought) for a greater focus on preventative medicine. Perhaps you failed to notice the headline in the OP: Women's *preventative* services now covered under Obamacare. (my emphasis) Now it appears you are up in arms about the very thing you advocated for and proposed not so long ago ......... Nope, not any kind of hypocrisy on my part at all, but thanks for the attempt. If you look solely at my support of preventive medicine vs. reactive medicine, then, it could very well look as if I've flip flopped. My support for preventive medicine has not changed at all. My complaint here isn't that preventive medicine is being pushed, it's that it's being paid for by someone not the receiver of the services. And, if you look at my abortion beliefs (available to women; paid for by those involved [including the sperminator, unless this was a case of jizz drawn from a sperm bank and not without knowledge of the actual sperminator]), you'll see that I am still taking the same tack. Nice attempt, though.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 4:57:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: claree The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong? This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free. Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry. And, this is exactly what I was hoping one of my more vocal opponents would have stated.

subspaceseven -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 5:21:27 AM)
quote: it's that it's being paid for by someone not the receiver of the services. It is being covered by premiums, paid for by the person receiving the care and those in the insurance company pool, how do you think your health care works, nobody else's money is used to pay for services you receive??? The law requires insurance companies to pay for these services, just like you can go and get preventive health care the insurance company pays the DR/hosp out of the money they charge everyone they insure......or do you pay 100% of all your medical costs and also pay an insurance company for medical coverage?

Lucylastic -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 5:38:58 AM)
its a shame the focus is only on the birthcontrol, and the "cost" not the fact that it covers services that are essential to helping women stay healthy -- such as domestic violence screening, FDA-approved contraception, breastfeeding support and supplies, gestational diabetes screening, HPV testing, sexually transmitted infection counseling, and HIV screening. without passing on any of the cost to the patient. ALREADY COVERED by their insurance. But thats against the point huh

RemoteUser -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:13:56 AM)
The problem with having to pay for your basic health is becoming apparent. For the most part, all I'm seeing here is people worried about the taxes they will have to pay for the benefit of women's basic health everywhere. Interesting how the biggest complainers are men. Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights - it's not just paperwork. Forcing a little tax to make the promise possible is not the end of the world, just the end of control through denial. I would proudly support women having the health coverage they need, and yes it costs more than men's health because women's bodies do more, and change more. This is not a state secret, it's biology.

tazzygirl -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:14:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: claree The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong? This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free. Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry. Is it going up across the board for everyone? If not, contact a lawyer.

DomKen -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:20:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: claree The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong? This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free. Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry. Is it going up across the board for everyone? If not, contact a lawyer. Or just wait till next summer, if the insurance company fails to spend at least 80% of premiums on health care for plan members they have to refund the excess.

DaddySatyr -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:26:02 AM)
The company that employs me has NEVER raised its rates ... period. They won't be doing it, now. They will, however, be cancelling coverage packages that people currently have and offering replacement packages that are exactly the same ... except the price of the premiums. They've been doing this for over 50 years and it has always been legal and even after "Saint" Ofailure's ACA (which stands for: (A)crimonious (C)onstitutional (A)ttack for those of you in Poughkeepsie), it will remain legal. No matter what you call it, everyone's costs are going up and it's not just a matter of "passing on the cost of doing business to the consumer" it's because insurance companies got a great, big, love letter from president ofailure. Peace and comfort, Michael

Lucylastic -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:31:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RemoteUser The problem with having to pay for your basic health is becoming apparent. For the most part, all I'm seeing here is people worried about the taxes they will have to pay for the benefit of women's basic health everywhere. Interesting how the biggest complainers are men. Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights - it's not just paperwork. Forcing a little tax to make the promise possible is not the end of the world, just the end of control through denial. I would proudly support women having the health coverage they need, and yes it costs more than men's health because women's bodies do more, and change more. This is not a state secret, it's biology. I knew there was a reason I liked you winks

Sanity -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:34:16 AM)
By that logic you should have to pay for my grandpas viagra His body, his right "Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights"

Real0ne -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:35:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How is this getting paid for? Well, it works like this. Insurance companies charge a premium for coverage. yeh thats so sweet! government sanctioned (enforced) insurance bills. time to start an insurance company, extort all the money, and in 10 years apply for a bail out!! Only in the UKA land of the FREE LMAO

Lucylastic -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 6:39:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity By that logic you should have to pay for my grandpas viagra His body, his right "Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights" VIagra is already covered on insurance

Sanity -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 7:23:32 AM)
Do you believe that the our government forces insurance companies to give free Viagra to everyone? quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity By that logic you should have to pay for my grandpas viagra His body, his right "Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights" VIagra is already covered on insurance

tazzygirl -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 7:25:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: claree The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong? This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free. Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry. Is it going up across the board for everyone? If not, contact a lawyer. Or just wait till next summer, if the insurance company fails to spend at least 80% of premiums on health care for plan members they have to refund the excess. no need to wait.... yesterday also brought the change that women cannot be charged more than men for their insurance.

Lucylastic -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 7:37:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Do you believe that the our government forces insurance companies to give free Viagra to everyone? quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity By that logic you should have to pay for my grandpas viagra His body, his right "Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights" VIagra is already covered on insurance strawman mine is a factual comment... to disagree with your "grandfathers" need for viagra to be covered....and it already being covered.

farglebargle -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 8:54:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How is this getting paid for? Well, it works like this. Insurance companies charge a premium for coverage. yeh thats so sweet! government sanctioned (enforced) insurance bills. time to start an insurance company, extort all the money, and in 10 years apply for a bail out!! Only in the UKA land of the FREE LMAO Do you own a car? Do you have insurance for it? Why?

Real0ne -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:10:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity By that logic you should have to pay for my grandpas viagra His body, his right "Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights" VIagra is already covered on insurance on everyones policy?

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