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Real0ne -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:12:29 AM)


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The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong?

This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free.

Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry.


Is it going up across the board for everyone?

If not, contact a lawyer.

Or just wait till next summer, if the insurance company fails to spend at least 80% of premiums on health care for plan members they have to refund the excess.



yeh meeting the reimbursement quota "come one come all" and then break the fucking program before it gets started and cry they dont have enough money 10 years up the road to give people the assholectomy they so dearly need.




cuckoldmepls -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:13:41 AM)

I'm already angry I have to buy viagara for old farts. Now I have to buy birth control for every woman who would rather spend her money on an Iphone?

In the old days, Insurance didn't cover anything that wasn't medically necessary, and guess what, insurance was affordable. The real problem with Obamacare is that once they have forced you to buy insurance, then the insurance companies can go up on the premiums at will. There's not a damn thing you can do about it.




Real0ne -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:14:47 AM)

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So, this stuff isn't "Free" as mnottertail mentioned. It's just "free" to the user. But, by no means is it completely free. It's just like the "Affordable Care Act" isn't actually making it Affordable for everyone, just affordable for some (via subsidization).

The above is part of the ACA. Feel free to resurrect a thread on ACA funding.


Yup, it's part of Obamacare.

Nope, it's not "free."

Might be "free" for the ones getting it, but it's not "free." Someone is going to pay for it.

And, that money has to come from somewhere.

And, any savings that will purportedly be seen won't be seen any time soon.


On other threads you have argued passionately (and sensibly I thought) for a greater focus on preventative medicine. Perhaps you failed to notice the headline in the OP:

Women's preventative services now covered under Obamacare. (my emphasis)

Now it appears you are up in arms about the very thing you advocated for and proposed not so long ago .........



a PURELY preventative services thing I would almost be for except they would use everyone for drug testing and big pharma profits.

Oh wait they do that now.




Real0ne -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:16:47 AM)


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How is this getting paid for?


Well, it works like this. Insurance companies charge a premium for coverage.



yeh thats so sweet!

government sanctioned (enforced) insurance bills.

time to start an insurance company, extort all the money, and in 10 years apply for a bail out!!

Only in the UKA land of the FREE LMAO



Do you own a car? Do you have insurance for it? Why?



because our masters will throw us in jail if we reject being FORCED into their COMMERCIAL DRIVING taxable jurisdiction rather than exercizing our right to travel which of course is NONCOMMERCIAL AND NONTAXABLE and under a jurisdiction that requires SUBSTANTIVE INURY IN FACT where they cant create massive corporate police associations and tap the profits off of "policy" by LEGISLATIVE PLUTOCRATIC FIAT.

That is the substantive answer to your question




thompsonx -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:22:56 AM)


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I'm already angry I have to buy viagara for old farts. Now I have to buy birth control for every woman who would rather spend her money on an Iphone?


Why do you presume that you are the only taxpayer in the u.s.? Womens taxes pay for your viagra

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In the old days, Insurance didn't cover anything that wasn't medically necessary, and guess what, insurance was affordable.



No it was not otherwise everyone would have had medical insurance.

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The real problem with Obamacare is that once they have forced you to buy insurance, then the insurance companies can go up on the premiums at will. There's not a damn thing you can do about it.


Obviously you do not believe in the capitalist system where the owners of the means of production can charge what they choose for their product.




Lucylastic -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:31:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I'm already angry I have to buy viagara for old farts. Now I have to buy birth control for every woman who would rather spend her money on an Iphone?

In the old days, Insurance didn't cover anything that wasn't medically necessary, and guess what, insurance was affordable. The real problem with Obamacare is that once they have forced you to buy insurance, then the insurance companies can go up on the premiums at will. There's not a damn thing you can do about it.


shame you dont have a clue about what you are talking about, again.




RacerJim -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:39:36 AM)


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The 47 million women that are getting this for free--do you just go to any clinic and say--I want my free stuff? I was under the impression that you actually had to already have insurance. Is that wrong?

This will save me my $5 co-pay. And my insurance company has already notified us that the monthly premium is going up. So, yeah, free isn't exactly free.

Edit--not in reply to RealOne--sorry.


Is it going up across the board for everyone?

If not, contact a lawyer.

Or just wait till next summer, if the insurance company fails to spend at least 80% of premiums on health care for plan members they have to refund the excess.


no need to wait.... yesterday also brought the change that women cannot be charged more than men for their insurance.

That's akin to preventing insurance companies from charging more for higher-risk drivers and/or vehicles. Insurance companies have to make it up somehow and the only somehow is charging everyone more. Kinda means that Obama's "No one will pay more for health insurance." claim was a LIE.




mnottertail -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 9:52:56 AM)

And of course with a market of some 30 million new enrollees, that would put the lie to the misinformed innumeracy thats being pushed here.





subspaceseven -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 10:00:41 AM)

Basics facts....I do not pay a co-pay on any type of preventive care I receive from my DR..the insurance covers it, not true with my wife. she had to pay for pap smears, breast exams, etc all preventive care...why charge them and not me for holding on to my balls and telling me to cough??????

as for the V pill, as reported on their dam web site, 99.3 insurance companies cover it......seems like a waste of my premium dollars for those who can't get it up




kalikshama -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 11:20:29 AM)

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Basics facts....I do not pay a co-pay on any type of preventive care I receive from my DR..the insurance covers it, not true with my wife. she had to pay for pap smears, breast exams, etc all preventive care...why charge them and not me for holding on to my balls and telling me to cough??????


Grr - they offered free preventative care for the gender not likely to utilize it and charged the gender that does use it.




kalikshama -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 11:21:50 AM)

August 1: Women's Health Progress Thanks To ACA

Today (August 1) marks an historic step forward for women across Massachusetts and the United States. From this point on, new health insurance plans must begin covering women’s preventive services like contraception, breastfeeding counseling and support, and screenings for sexual transmitted diseases, including HIV and HPV without charging any additional costs, like co-pays. As exciting as these new services are, the underlying message is that women’s basic health care is just that—basic health care. And now basic health care must be available to every woman regardless of where she lives or how much she earns. This change in how we define preventive care is what inspires me the most.

As a new mother, I find myself in the middle of my life wishing that the Affordable Care Act had been law when I was younger. Never mind the years of anxiety trying simply to get health insurance as I entered the workplace in my early 20s, wishing I still had my parent’s insurance rather than the cut-rate version I could afford. Never mind all the money I spent on birth control for 14 years on prescription co-pays and paying for birth control outright when I was in between insurance coverage. Rather, it was when I had my baby last winter that I realized how challenging accessing basic health care services can be.

When I became the mother of a beautiful, healthy baby girl, I found out firsthand how difficult and expensive it is to find the kinds of support new mothers need, first and foremost breastfeeding support. You can’t be pregnant in our society without being regularly told about the importance of breastfeeding. But no one prepares you for how hard it will be, and support isn’t guaranteed when you need it most – as soon as your baby is born.

My own stay in the hospital after giving birth was lengthy. Despite all of my efforts and pushing the nursing staff to get me access to a lactation specialist, I went days without breastfeeding support. It seems that the fact that my daughter was born healthy worked against her in getting assistance to keep her healthy. By the time I saw the specialist I was unable to breastfeed entirely. Then it was entirely unclear what my insurance would cover. Would it provide us with a breast pump to allow me to continue to provide her with breast milk or ongoing access to a lactation specialist? Every health insurance is different, we were told.

As the Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts, I am thrilled to be working toward a world where no woman will have to fight like I did to get basic health care. I am overjoyed that today marks the day when breastfeeding won’t be possible only for women with incredible luck or financial resources. But more than that, women in every phase of life will be able freely access services to keep herself and her family healthy. The Affordable Care Act has brought us this welcome respite from the war on women, but we must remember the work is far from over.




DomKen -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 11:22:46 AM)


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I'm already angry I have to buy viagara for old farts. Now I have to buy birth control for every woman who would rather spend her money on an Iphone?

In the old days, Insurance didn't cover anything that wasn't medically necessary, and guess what, insurance was affordable. The real problem with Obamacare is that once they have forced you to buy insurance, then the insurance companies can go up on the premiums at will. There's not a damn thing you can do about it.


Once again, they must spend 80% of premiums on health care or refund the difference.




tazzygirl -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 11:52:33 AM)

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In the old days, Insurance didn't cover anything that wasn't medically necessary, and guess what, insurance was affordable. The real problem with Obamacare is that once they have forced you to buy insurance, then the insurance companies can go up on the premiums at will. There's not a damn thing you can do about it.


Nope there isnt. Which is the beauty of it all. Competition.




searching4mysir -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 12:06:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

The problem with having to pay for your basic health is becoming apparent.

For the most part, all I'm seeing here is people worried about the taxes they will have to pay for the benefit of women's basic health everywhere. Interesting how the biggest complainers are men.

Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights - it's not just paperwork. Forcing a little tax to make the promise possible is not the end of the world, just the end of control through denial.

I would proudly support women having the health coverage they need, and yes it costs more than men's health because women's bodies do more, and change more. This is not a state secret, it's biology.



They already do (except in the <1% of rape cases). If it is THEIR body, why do I have to pay for it? Pay for your own fucking pills/diaphragm/condoms/shot/patch/IUD or keep your legs closed.




DomKen -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 12:41:11 PM)


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The problem with having to pay for your basic health is becoming apparent.

For the most part, all I'm seeing here is people worried about the taxes they will have to pay for the benefit of women's basic health everywhere. Interesting how the biggest complainers are men.

Guys, suck it up. Women deserve to have birth control. Their bodies, their rights - it's not just paperwork. Forcing a little tax to make the promise possible is not the end of the world, just the end of control through denial.

I would proudly support women having the health coverage they need, and yes it costs more than men's health because women's bodies do more, and change more. This is not a state secret, it's biology.



They already do (except in the <1% of rape cases). If it is THEIR body, why do I have to pay for it? Pay for your own fucking pills/diaphragm/condoms/shot/patch/IUD or keep your legs closed.

So poor women should only have procreative sex?




Lucylastic -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 12:43:31 PM)

Maybe only when they are already pregnant?




tazzygirl -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 1:05:43 PM)

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They already do (except in the <1% of rape cases). If it is THEIR body, why do I have to pay for it? Pay for your own fucking pills/diaphragm/condoms/shot/patch/IUD or keep your legs closed.


Allow me to educate you.

BC (birth control) pills are used for a wide range of purposes. But, because, regardless of the use, its still called BC, insurance companies feel in the right to either charge co pays or not cover them at all.

Viagra is offered for a few things... and if its not for ED, it has a different name.. and is covered under their insurance.

Can you not see the hypocrisy here?




kalikshama -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 2:12:45 PM)

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If it is THEIR body, why do I have to pay for it? Pay for your own fucking pills/diaphragm/condoms/shot/patch/IUD or keep your legs closed.


Buy "I" you mean a person who participates in a health insurance plan, right? Because the contraception mandate is not taxpayer funded - it is health insurance reform.

You are free to turn down health insurance or work at a self-insured religious institution which is excepted from this. See how that works?

I want to remind everyone that certain aspects of the mandate are not new. In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today - and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees.




kalikshama -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 2:16:39 PM)

Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years

The right has freaked out over an Obama administration rule requiring employers to offer birth control to their employees. Most companies already had to do that.

President Barack Obama's decision to require most employers to cover birth control and insurers to offer it at no cost has created a firestorm of controversy. But the central mandate—that most employers have to cover preventative care for women—has been law for over a decade. This point has been completely lost in the current controversy, as Republican presidential candidates and social conservatives claim that Obama has launched a war on religious liberty and the Catholic Church.

Despite the longstanding precedent, "no one screamed" until now, said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law expert at George Washington University.

In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.

"It was, we thought at the time, a fairly straightforward application of Title VII principles," a top former EEOC official who was involved in the decision told Mother Jones. "All of these plans covered Viagra immediately, without thinking, and they were still declining to cover prescription contraceptives. It's a little bit jaw-dropping to see what is going on now…There was some press at the time but we issued guidances that were far, far more controversial."

After the EEOC opinion was approved in 2000, reproductive rights groups and employees who wanted birth control access sued employers that refused to comply. The next year, in Erickson v. Bartell Drug Co., a federal court agreed with the EEOC's reasoning. Reproductive rights groups and others used that decision as leverage to force other companies to settle lawsuits and agree to change their insurance plans to include birth control. Some subsequent court decisions echoed Erickson, and some went the other way, but the rule (absent a Supreme Court decision) remained, and over the following decade, the percentage of employer-based plans offering contraceptive coverage tripled to 90 percent.

"We have used [the EEOC ruling] many times in negotiating with various employers," says Judy Waxman, the vice president for health and reproductive rights at the National Women's Law Center. "It has been in active use all this time. [President Obama's] policy is only new in the sense that it covers employers with less than 15 employees and with no copay for the individual. The basic rule has been in place since 2000."




kalikshama -> RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starting August 1, 2012 (8/2/2012 3:49:13 PM)

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Pay for your own fucking pills/diaphragm/condoms/shot/patch/IUD or keep your legs closed.


Colbert's got your back:

It's "whore o'clock" in America thanks to Obamacare

Wednesday night on “The Colbert Report,” host Stephen Colbert reminded viewers that Wednesday marked the beginning of a key provision in President Barack Obama’s health care reform plan, the Affordable Care Act. As of August 1, 2012, women’s birth control is covered under employee health insurance policies, regardless of the ideological affiliation of that employer.

This will kick off a wave of libertinism the likes of which the world has never seen, said Colbert. “That’s right,” he said, “Free birth control for all the ladies. Don’t forget to reset your watches and check your calendars, because it is now whore o’clock on the first day of Skanks-uary.”

Women all over America, he said, will be flocking to their local Planned Parenthood to be hooked up to a Yaz force-feeding tube “like a sex-crazed foie gras goose.”

“Gangs of hot-blooded sluts” will be marauding in the streets, Colbert predicted. And because American women will be so busy having all that consequence-free sex, there will be no more American children.

But because he was named one of Maxim’s 100 Hottest Women of 2012 (and it is free, after all), the host had no choice, really, but to start taking birth control pills. Right away, on the air, he started taking them. A whole handful of them, which he then washed down with what appeared to be a Corona Lite.

Then he said he was feeling sad and retaining water, adding, “I feel like a cow.”

Watch the video:

http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/wed-august-1-2012-john-grunsfeld




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