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Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 10:36:01 AM)

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OP, not sure why you are trying to analyze D/s relationships bit by bit.

We are all so different in what we want and need.

How does me telling you that I get off when a Dominant man is able to make me feel like a quivering pile of goo help your own relationship?


Yes yes it does !
My quest is both for pure scientific as well as practical reasons.

But understanding how to use something or how something applies to your own life is VASTLY different to understanding the thing itself, without you in the picture.

Where does the need/want for D/s come from? (quite unknown, nature vs. nurture debate, not looking for this right here)
Can a D/s structure be a natural need for a fulfilled life?
What definite, calculateable parts exist in D/s ? (D/s exists and thus there's mechanics behind it, even if some valves are completely turned on in some D/s relationships and turned on fully in other relationships, it should be possible to identify every single one, can't be that much if concentrating on the basics).
How do sexual and social D/s interact with each other, what if a relationship has only one, what if a relationship has both?

Understanding the core of something is knowledge, knowledge is power.

Analogy: I can play a game and know how to use controls and interface 100%. I'll probably be a good player.
But I can also study a game, learn the exact mechanics behind it, how my controls interact with the game on a basic level, how the information shown on the screen is put together. I'll have the tools to become an outstanding player, and even gain knowledge on how games in general are designed, which in turn allows me to furtherly interact with the game on a more intellectual level and then possibly create my own.

It's basically the difference between casual and hard core gaming. (just that hard core gamers also exceed in the pure control/interface use but I'm getting side tracked here ...)




crazyml -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 11:29:36 AM)

Crikey.

Well... I'd be genuinely interested to see how your research goes, genuinely.

I'm pretty sure that D/s isn't susceptible to the kind of de-construction and modelling as you're hoping for .... but I'll grant you that what you're doing is very very interesting.




Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 11:43:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Crikey.

Well... I'd be genuinely interested to see how your research goes, genuinely.

I'm pretty sure that D/s isn't susceptible to the kind of de-construction and modelling as you're hoping for .... but I'll grant you that what you're doing is very very interesting.


I'm positive it is. But I have yet to gather data to base a good theory on.
D/s relationships exist. Things that exist are made of something and they somehow fit in with everything else that exists.

I'll find out what D/s is made of. And I'll use it to my advantage.




LordOdinn -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 12:06:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JhonP

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And where's your perfectly rational and logical offering to the thread?

It's easy to criticize, much harder to actually DO.


Hush woman, be ashamed, be very ashamed your arrogance and at other’s throat manner reflects badly on your doms ability to impose even a resemblance of social grace.



Actually, she is a switch, and very dominant with others than myself. Clearly I don't see a need (or point) to keep her stating her opinion, in which she makes a valid point. And we are all still waiting....




Winterapple -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 12:35:32 PM)

I don't think being in D/s dynamic means one is in a
perpetual state of sexual arousal. I don't
deny that for me many aspects have an
erotic spark. Being under my partners
authority makes the actual sexual part
kinky or otherwise very satisfying.
But there's also mental and emotional
satisfaction.
The things that drive my desire for
a power exchange relationship are
a craving for transparency, pleasing,
obeying and serving.
A partner evokes that in me when there's
mutual trust, respect and affection as
well as a mental and physical connection.




Winterapple -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 12:46:51 PM)

I would add the things I desire in a intimate relationship
don't reflect other parts of my life for the most
part.
I'm not a people pleaser and I generally
balk at authority. And while I could find
satisfaction with a dominant partner without
kink the dominance in itself will always
influence for a lack of a better word the
sexual side of things for me.
There may be general truths about D/s
relationships but individually they are
going to be different. The knowledge
that will best serve you is to find a
partner you're on the same wavelength
with and with whom you communicate
freely and with clarity.




Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:03:18 PM)

Why does everyone assume that I don't want to know the thing I'm asking for / that I'm only asking because of lack of other, more important, knowledge ?

I'm not looking to throw all D/s relationships in the same basket.
I'm looking to dismantle the construct that D/s relationships are by viewing the different possibilities in their finality and think about the possible combinations of the structural parts for final constructs that I have not yet observed or that have yet to be built.

Just because a tree gives shelter to the rain and the fallen wood enables me to make a warming fire doesn't make it stupid to saw a tree into pieces and build a house with it.

Civilisation guys, driven by science.




sexyred1 -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:09:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Karnikula


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Crikey.

Well... I'd be genuinely interested to see how your research goes, genuinely.

I'm pretty sure that D/s isn't susceptible to the kind of de-construction and modelling as you're hoping for .... but I'll grant you that what you're doing is very very interesting.


I'm positive it is. But I have yet to gather data to base a good theory on.
D/s relationships exist. Things that exist are made of something and they somehow fit in with everything else that exists.

I'll find out what D/s is made of. And I'll use it to my advantage.


Well. That underlined bit smacks of someone who is possibly insecure with letting real life guide them in what most consider something experiential, not something to be studied under a microscope.

Data and theory have their place but nothing beats good old fashioned doing it yourself.





Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:22:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Data and theory have their place but nothing beats good old fashioned doing it yourself.



Nothing beats good modern data and theory. Old fashioned doing it yourself is a few thousand years outdated.
Humans cannot survive on instinct. They need knowledge and thus reason to survive, and further - strive.

Putting theories to test is a very good method of securing new knowledge. It's called "experimenting".

Right now I don't have a theory yet that I can put to test, which is what I'm trying to develop.

Edit: It seems many are mistaking my quest for this knowledge as a mean to find a girlfriend & establish a functional D/s relationship, that is not the case.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:23:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Karnikula

In their eyes, obeying an order should remind them of the authority/control involved and thus be sexually arousing. Even if it's just scrubbing the floor.

I wonder if we can find such a person right here to discuss this with as well ...




Uhm, I'm such a person right here... what exactly do you want to know?

Although, in this thread the consensus seemed to be that what we do isn't D/s.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:25:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: JhonP

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And where's your perfectly rational and logical offering to the thread?

It's easy to criticize, much harder to actually DO.


Hush woman, be ashamed, be very ashamed your arrogance and at other’s throat manner reflects badly on your doms ability to impose even a resemblance of social grace.

You mean you're really going to try to pull this card because she's a switch? Maybe you're just not used to females who do a better job of the task at hand than you did. For the record, she's absolutely right.

Maybe you could have your sub come to the boards to show others how to kiss the ass of every cyber twatwaffle who slaps the title Dom on his profile. Don't expect the people collared to others to do so.



Way to go, LadyP!!!! I totally agree!!

NBMG




Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:26:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

Uhm, I'm such a person right here... what exactly do you want to know?

Although, in this thread the consensus seemed to be that what we do isn't D/s.


Great ! (though I haven't looked into your link yet).
If you get off by scrubbing the floor at someone elses command I'd consider that sexualized D/s at its finest.

I wonder why some people sexualise D/s and others don't, but you probably won't be able to answer that question.

So I'd rather like to know if you consider yourself generally submissive ?
What is it that gets you off in such a scenario usually ?




littlewonder -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:32:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Karnikula

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Data and theory have their place but nothing beats good old fashioned doing it yourself.



Nothing beats good modern data and theory. Old fashioned doing it yourself is a few thousand years outdated.
Humans cannot survive on instinct. They need knowledge and thus reason to survive, and further - strive.

Putting theories to test is a very good method of securing new knowledge. It's called "experimenting".

Right now I don't have a theory yet that I can put to test, which is what I'm trying to develop.

Edit: It seems many are mistaking my quest for this knowledge as a mean to find a girlfriend & establish a functional D/s relationship, that is not the case.



Experimenting may be good for science, math, data collecting, etc...

But nothing beats going out and dating people and getting to know someone and building that relationship together as a couple.

I guess man has been doing it all wrong for millenia.

If some guy was trying to see me as some kind of experiment then I would not even go within a foot of him. I'm a person, not a guinea pig.




Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:34:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karnikula

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Data and theory have their place but nothing beats good old fashioned doing it yourself.



Nothing beats good modern data and theory. Old fashioned doing it yourself is a few thousand years outdated.
Humans cannot survive on instinct. They need knowledge and thus reason to survive, and further - strive.

Putting theories to test is a very good method of securing new knowledge. It's called "experimenting".

Right now I don't have a theory yet that I can put to test, which is what I'm trying to develop.

Edit: It seems many are mistaking my quest for this knowledge as a mean to find a girlfriend & establish a functional D/s relationship, that is not the case.



Experimenting may be good for science, math, data collecting, etc...

But nothing beats going out and dating people and getting to know someone and building that relationship together as a couple.

I guess man has been doing it all wrong for millenia.

If some guy was trying to see me as some kind of experiment then I would not even go within a foot of him. I'm a person, not a guinea pig.



Dating is one hell of an experiment though. You take two elements (yourself and your date) and see how they react to each other ;)

I just love it when people choose to misunderstand me by their own interpretation of my words.




littlewonder -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:37:17 PM)

Like I said, I'm not a science project.

Why do I get this funny feeling I'm talking to Sheldon?




Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:39:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Like I said, I'm not a science project.

Why do I get this funny feeling I'm talking to Sheldon?



I'm defenitely not sheldon.

You ARE a science project, but that doesn't make you a guinea pig or a random test subject, you'd still be an attractive and interesting dating partner.

Just because a Date fulfills all the necessary requirements to be called an experiment doesn't mean it has anything more to do with testing new beauty products on animals.




sexyred1 -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:40:08 PM)

If people are misunderstanding you, it is probably you, as someone says somewhere.

Your approach is rather creepy, like littlewonder said, if some guy acts like I am a science experiment for his data collection, I think he is lacking some essential human component, like just being attacted to someone and waiting to find out if we click.

Some discoveries are better left the old fashioned way, with a bit of mystery. Data collection, my ass.




littlewonder -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:41:30 PM)

never mind...pretends to be Leonard rolling his eyes and walking away.




Karnikula -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:50:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

If people are misunderstanding you, it is probably you, as someone says somewhere.

Your approach is rather creepy, like littlewonder said, if some guy acts like I am a science experiment for his data collection, I think he is lacking some essential human component, like just being attacted to someone and waiting to find out if we click.

Some discoveries are better left the old fashioned way, with a bit of mystery. Data collection, my ass.


The fun part of all of this is that we share the same view.

I don't treat people like science experiments - especially not attractive ladies.


about the communication thing, there's solid truth to that.




littlewonder -> RE: Analyzing D/s relationships bit by bit. (8/4/2012 1:53:37 PM)

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