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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 6:37:05 PM   
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To continue.... Unemployment, U6, was 7.4 when Bush took over the office... 15.1 when Obama took over. But the departing Presidents policies continue until October... something even Romney had to agree with.


While policies carry through, Most private sector employers hire based on their predictions of need vs profit. They will hesitate or lay off based on their prospective ability or inability to make payroll. Yes, indeed it is the nature of capitalism, long may it wave.


Then look to Capitalism for the unemployment numbers.

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 7:53:41 PM   
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Using U6 rates, and the chart that you linked, Bush's last month in office, his highest rate, shows the US at 11.8. In November it jumped to 12.7 went up to 14.2% at inauguration time, and has not dropped below 15% since, according to your source. If you want the simple visual Mr Obama has not dropped out of purple and red since he was sworn in. Not my favorite colors if you ask me. His calim was that unemployment (I will allow his reference was U3) would not go over 8% if TARP passed. I would expect more misleading promises, I don't expect a wave of truthsaying to sweep Washington DC.



11.8?

11.8 was October 2008,,, when do you think he left office?

Try 2009. His policies were still in effect until October 2009.

Your whole post is based upon the wrong year.

The inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States took place on Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Unless you are trying to say we had no President for a year.


As I said before, businesses hire based on projections. Based on the election results of November 2008, Bush was no longer much of a factor, and speculation was that Mr Obama would be what he promised or threatened

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:02:42 PM   
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If Obama wins.. the religious/civil war on gays, their rights and privacy will be dealt a serious setback.

If Obama wins.. the war on the poor,elderly and ill, will be dealt a serious setback.



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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:05:53 PM   
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As I said before, businesses hire based on projections. Based on the election results of November 2008, Bush was no longer much of a factor, and speculation was that Mr Obama would be what he promised or threatened


And by November of 2008, the damage to the economy was done... financial markets were in a tail spin...

Lehman Brothers didnt file until September....

That has a much bigger effect on the economy, and unemployment, than who won the election.

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:13:02 PM   
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As I said before, businesses hire based on projections. Based on the election results of November 2008, Bush was no longer much of a factor, and speculation was that Mr Obama would be what he promised or threatened


And by November of 2008, the damage to the economy was done... financial markets were in a tail spin...

Lehman Brothers didnt file until September....

That has a much bigger effect on the economy, and unemployment, than who won the election.


After 8 years of the Bush baby, it's going to take the Democrat's at least 12 to get the wheels back on the bus.

Democrats any day of the week, nuff said.


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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:16:03 PM   
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If Obama wins.. the war on women,their rights and privacy,will be dealt a serious setback.

If Obama wins.. the religious/civil war on gays, their rights and privacy will be dealt a serious setback.

If Obama wins.. the war on the poor,elderly and ill, will be dealt a serious setback.




Barack Obama, 2012 baby, baby


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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:17:28 PM   
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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:20:32 PM   
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It's Bush's fault. Weve heard it a thousand times. What ever happened to 'The buck stops here"...


A thousand times is not enough, we need to hear it a million times.

Of course the buck stops with President Obama, give him time to dig us out.

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:23:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The recession actually started two years before bush left office.

There was also a huge amount of damage done to the economy`s fundamentals, in the years leading up to the middle of '08'.Plus the costs of the Iraq disastar were being felt.

By the time anyone knew there was a problem,we had bush telling us we HAD to bail out the banks and nationalize a number of them......OR ELSE!...

If we didn`t do it,it was over.We would fall into a deep economic down-turn.Basically putting a gun to our heads.

The job loss....due to businesses closings,due to no orders due to no consumers was full on in the months leading up to when President Obama took office.

The economy was losing a hundred thousand jobs a month in Nov '08'.......so many jobs that in that short time, it canceled out all the jobs created during the entire bush administration`s 8 years.

That`s fucking huge.

17 trillion dollars in capital vanished and all credit froze.....solid......for the 1st time since the great depression.

That`s fucking huge.

If we can`t get the cons to even acknowledge what happened,how are they going to manage making things better?

Mitt would have let GM fail......

Today.....GM is doing better than ever.....


< Message edited by Owner59 -- 8/6/2012 8:26:36 PM >

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:24:44 PM   
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It's Bush's fault. Weve heard it a thousand times. What ever happened to 'The buck stops here"...


That was years ago.
Lately the presidential letter of succession is:
Year one, blame it on your predecessor
Year two, blame it on the guy before you,
Year three, blame it on the last president
Year four, if you haven't fixed it, write a letter of succession.

with Mr Obama, Bucks are stopping, hope for change.

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:28:59 PM   
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Let the PEOPLE decide, and may the best man win.

Peace

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:31:55 PM   
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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:32:07 PM   
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It's Bush's fault. Weve heard it a thousand times. What ever happened to 'The buck stops here"...


It happened under Bush's watch... and not just at the end. When are you conservatives going to stand up and take responsibility for that?

Economists stated it would take 8 - 12 years to dig out of this mess.

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:34:12 PM   
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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:37:05 PM   
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Obama's new campaign slogan. " forward".. Good luck with that.


This is the point, we live in some form of a Democracy.

The people vote and they decide.

It really doesn't matter if you are EVER happy with the President or not, the people get to decide.

Some people around here are starting to sound, UnAmerican.
I don't like it!



< Message edited by Marini -- 8/6/2012 8:38:43 PM >

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:37:05 PM   
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Why are you cons always so bitter and angry?

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:37:40 PM   
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Obama's new campaign slogan. " forward".. Good luck with that.


Seems to be working so far

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:40:29 PM   
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Obama_promise_to_keep_the_rate_of_unemployment_at_8_percent

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It's Bush's fault. Weve heard it a thousand times. What ever happened to 'The buck stops here"...


It happened under Bush's watch... and not just at the end. When are you conservatives going to stand up and take responsibility for that?

Economists stated it would take 8 - 12 years to dig out of this mess.



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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:40:41 PM   
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Obviously you prefer the other.....


Why are you cons always so bitter and angry?


I have no idea, I was a bit bitter and angry during 8 years of watching Bush doing his best to destroy this great country.

Good question, I hope we are all safe after the election, Owner.
Some of the posters around here, seem unhinged and maybe unbalanced.

Some posters around here are not good Americans, and I am offended.
If they don't like this country, get the hell out!

< Message edited by Marini -- 8/6/2012 8:43:12 PM >

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RE: If Obama wins.. - 8/6/2012 8:42:33 PM   
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If Obama wins...


*Health care moves forward, and everyone knows it.
*Businesses get back to business, the uncertainty over health care gone.
*Supreme Court appointments don't go to Conservatives.


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