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SternSkipper -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:25:47 PM)

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I think it highly possible that the republicons WANT Obama to win. I'm sure they did when they ran McCain. Look at what it would take to fix this mess and tell me why you wouldn't want to leave it to someopne else. I mean the Bush mess actually. Like that team throwing matches when the Olympics folk started that round robbin horseshit.


You may be right They So TRAINWRECKED the economy with all the vulture capitalism they practiced, I seriously doubt any of them believe that they can resolve the problems with more of the same.




servantforuse -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:27:46 PM)

Utter BS.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:33:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama has one big problem. This election will come down to the economy, and he can't run on that issue. It has been a disaster and is getting worse month by month.  

Unfortunately for Republicans, the country hasn't forgotten how we got here, or who brung 'em.




Owner59 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:34:23 PM)

You mean one of the con-dogmas.....shrink the size of government........what is happening to every town and city in America.......is just a happy coincidence to your party crashing our economy?




servantforuse -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:35:36 PM)

92 days until the election. We will soon find out.




Owner59 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:38:42 PM)

What happened to that "long hot summer" you cons were spouting about......?


Seems like Mittens is the over heated one......[:D]




servantforuse -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:41:05 PM)

It was a long hot summer in Wisconsin and Scott Walker was reelected governor. Weren't you paying attention ?  




Owner59 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:44:00 PM)

He was already governor professor......[8|]

The Wisc Senate changed hands tho......didn`t it.......?[;)]




servantforuse -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:46:40 PM)

They changed hands while the senate isn't in session and won't be until January? The dems will be moving their offices once again after the election in November.  




Owner59 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 8:49:19 PM)


Yeah....all those elections didn`t mean anything.....

Then when the ACA won in court it was like, scott who?


[:D]




TheHeretic -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 9:15:53 PM)

To the OP

Steve, Romney is nowhere near as sparkly and charismatic as President Obama.  He shouldn't try for that path.  Not when the President is so esily characterized as, all sizzle, no steak."  Romney doesn't need to get the base fired up.  President Obama does a better job bringing out the Republican base than he does his own.

Romney is out raising money, and he's beating the President handily in that measure of popular support.*  He gets to pick his moment to announce the Veep pick, then he gets a convention, and a chance to introduce himself.

President Obama's only option in this economy is to persuade voters that Romney is not an acceptable alternative.  He's spent all summer, and $100 million trying to do that.  Mitt doesn't have to sizzle, to win, he just needs to come across as a good man, who knows how to get things done.  And oh, how the Dems will howl and shriek, and make many, many, funny faces as they try to demonize him.

* To the question I saw on the thread about whoever has the most money wins, no. But getting a message out there requires cash in hand, and people who are willing to come up with some




Owner59 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 9:20:51 PM)

Why are you cons crying so loudly then.....if he`s been so inconsequential.....?


Fail.......


He`s kicked your butt on just about every issue and law.


Pretending only works for you rich....remember that......


While you`re at it.....could you point out some examples of this gravitas Mittens has or some of his awesome scary talents......?

Cuz he`s look`n like last month`s dog droppings.....

C`mon......stop keeping it a secret.......[;)]




cloudboy -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/6/2012 9:31:00 PM)

The Republican party is fractured, and Romney is not very gifted at pandering to the base while keeping Big Business happy. Next, these two groups don't support one vision of effective governance.

Here's a snippet to illustrate the point of how its difficult to be a Republican and have a coherent platform:

Many of the freshmen (Republicans from the 2010 election) actually began attending tutorials with Republican economists in which they learned the facts about the debt ceiling. But the facts weren’t going to get in the way of bedrock commitments: oppose Obama, oppose all taxes, administer a shock to the system. In mid-July, Draper writes, Republican leaders organized a seminar with an economist named Jay Powell, who had served in George W. Bush’s Treasury Department. In a basement conference room in the Capitol, Powell announced that “I don’t give political or tactical advice” and described to the members what would happen in August if they did not raise the debt limit:

The Treasury would be taking in $172 billion. Its obligations that month would be $306 billion, a shortfall of $134 billion. After first paying the interest, enough money would be left over to pay approximately half the bills. It would be left to the Obama administration to determine winners and losers. As a factual matter, Powell pointed out, it would be impossible to pay the troops in the field and all Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits at the same time. Institutions such as federal prisons would simply have to be shut down. The average American’s home mortgage rate would skyrocket.


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Business wants immigration reform, entitlement reform, and a coherent national health care policy.

The base wants no immigration reform, hands off medicare, social security, and defense spending combined with spending cuts of $100 Billion and no tax increases.

Its a clusterfuck. I can't imagine trying to stump for these votes. Next, Obama has kept taxes low, is a hawk on foreign policy, had deported more people than Bush, etc. So, what new policies can a candidate trumpet?





Moonhead -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 8:24:33 AM)

FR:
Romney's campaign is lacklustre for the same reason as Romney is: apart from a few neocons who still persist in believing that trickle down theory isn't a hoax, nobody gives a flying fuck about Captain Magicpants.




Winterapple -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 8:47:05 AM)

FR
The convention and vp selection usually
give candidates a boost with the base.
But just as readily they light fire under
the opponents base by reminding them
there are differences between the two
parties which can movitate them to get
off their asses and vote in November.

Republican conventions are reliably scary.
Full of vitriol and paranoia and the we're
going to take America back rhetoric.
Take it back to the Stone Age.

Is hatred for Obama enough to get a
man who no one is truly enthused about
elected? We'll see. But remember Obama
has pragmatists and enthuisists on his
side. And the view from the cave isn't
a very reliable one, Stone Agers.




subrob1967 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 9:08:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tumblweed

So say that whoever has more money wins ?

Should I reiterate ? More money WINS - who gets to run this country ? Yes or no ?

Weed


No, that moron in California proved that.




mnottertail -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 9:11:09 AM)

Nixon, Reagan, Fiorina?





Moonhead -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 9:19:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
And the view from the cave isn't
a very reliable one, Stone Agers.

Plato swears by it.
[;)]




subrob1967 -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 9:42:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama has one big problem. This election will come down to the economy, and he can't run on that issue. It has been a disaster and is getting worse month by month.  

Unfortunately for Republicans, the country hasn't forgotten how we got here, or who brung 'em.


Actually you have forgotten... Or ignore the fact that the Dems have had control of the check book since 07.

Let's see what happened in 07 & 08 shall we?

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2007
May 22: Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 (One version of this legislation, the Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 was passed by the United States House of Representatives on July 27, 2007. Despite opposition from some senators, including a failed amendment proposal by Senator Richard Lugar and a veto threat by President Bush, the Senate version of the bill, called the Food and Energy Security Act, was passed by the Senate Agriculture Committee on October 25, 2007 and later by the full Senate on December 14.[2][3] In late April 2008, congressional negotiators finally reached a deal to reconcile the House and Senate bills. The deal increased spending on food stamps and other food programs while mostly maintaining the current farm subsidies, despite record farm profits.[4]
On May 15, the House and Senate passed the bill, but President Bush issued a veto on May 21. The House voted to overturn the president's veto shortly thereafter, and with the margins by which the bill was passed, a Senate override also occurred; so the Congress overrode the president's veto, passing the bill into law (Public Law 110-234, the Food and Energy Security Act of 2007).[5][6] However, the veto override was moot, as a 34-page section of the bill was omitted in the version sent to the White House. In effect, the President vetoed a bill Congress never considered. The bill had to be re-passed by Congress.[7])

May 25: U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007

July 26: Foreign Investment and National Security Act of 2007 (The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on February 28, 2007 by a vote of 423 to 0.. The United States Senate passed their version of the bill on June 29, 2007 by unanimous consent. On July 11, 2007, the House passed the Senate's version, S. 1610 by a vote 370-45. The bill establishes a framework for the review of foreign acquisitions of US assets by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). CFIUS reform has been in the works since the Dubai Ports World transaction passed through CFIUS without a formal investigation, leaving a surprised and angry Congress determined to avoid a repetition of that scenario. Impetus for reform first began, however, when the China National Offshore Oil Corporation publicly announced an interest in UNOCAL in 2005, and even earlier that same year, when a GAO report revealed the lack of Congressional oversight and the degree to which some CFIUS transactions were escaping formal investigation through withdrawal of applications, among other things.)

August 9: America COMPETES Act

December 19: Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007

2008
February 13: Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 (The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 (Pub.L. 110-185, 122 Stat. 613, enacted February 13, 2008) was an Act of Congress providing for several kinds of economic stimuli intended to boost the United States economy in 2008 and to avert a recession, or ameliorate economic conditions. The stimulus package was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on January 29, 2008, and in a slightly different version by the U.S. Senate on February 7, 2008. The Senate version was then approved in the House the same day.[1] It was signed into law on February 13, 2008 by President Bush with the support of both Democratic and Republican lawmakers. The law provides for tax rebates to low- and middle-income U.S. taxpayers, tax incentives to stimulate business investment, and an increase in the limits imposed on mortgages eligible for purchase by government-sponsored enterprises (e.g., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). The total cost of this bill was projected at $152 billion for 2008.[2])

June 30: Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2008 (The Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-252, H.R. 2642), which was signed into law on June 30, 2008.[1] is an Act of Congress that appropriated $250 billion for ongoing military operations and domestic programs.)

June 30: Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act of 2008

July 30: Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (The Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (Pub.L. 110-289, 122 Stat. 2654, enacted July 30, 2008) (commonly referred to as HERA) designed primarily to address the subprime mortgage crisis. It authorized the Federal Housing Administration to guarantee up to $300 billion in new 30-year fixed rate mortgages for subprime borrowers if lenders write-down principal loan balances to 90 percent of current appraisal value. It was intended to restore confidence in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by strengthening regulations and injecting capital into the two large U.S. suppliers of mortgage funding. States are authorized to refinance subprime loans using mortgage revenue bonds. Enactment of the Act led to the government conservatorship of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.) Who was it championing this again? Oh yeah Dodd & Frank

August 14: Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 is a United States law signed on August 14, 2008 by President George W. Bush. The legislative bill was known as HR 4040, sponsored by Congressman Bobby Rush (D-Ill.). On December 19, 2007, the U.S. House approved the bill 407-0. On March 6, 2008, the U.S. Senate approved the bill 79-13.[1] The law—public law 110-314—increases the budget of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), imposes new testing and documentation requirements, and sets new acceptable levels of several substances. It imposes new requirements on manufacturers of apparel, shoes, personal care products, accessories and jewelry, home furnishings, bedding, toys, electronics and video games, books, school supplies, educational materials and science kits. The Act also increases fines and specifies jail time for some violations) Thank you Bobby Rush

October 3: Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Over the weekend (September 27–28), Congress continued to develop the proposal. That next Monday, the House put the resulting effort, the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, to a vote. It did not pass. US stock markets dropped 8 percent, the largest percentage drop since Black Monday in 1987.
Congressional leaders, including both presidential candidates, started working with the Bush Administration and the Treasury department on key negotiation points as they worked to finalize the plan. Key items under discussion included:[132][133]
Additional foreclosure avoidance and homeowner assistance
Executive pay limits
Government equity interests in firms participating in program, to provide additional taxpayer protection
Judicial review, Congressional oversight and right to audit
Structure and authority of the entities that will manage the program) Hmm looks like Obama had a hand in this as well.

October 13: Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act

October 16: Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008

Linky link

Keep blaming Boooosssshhhhhh while the rest of us laugh at you.




Sanity -> RE: Why is Romney's campaign so lackluster? (8/7/2012 9:53:16 AM)


Obama can't run on his record at all which is why we are seeing so many lowly leftist attacks on the Romneys and their evil hated success

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama has one big problem. This election will come down to the economy, and he can't run on that issue. It has been a disaster and is getting worse month by month.  





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