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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 2:57:54 PM   
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Were acting all Reagan ever did in the private sector that could possibly be a legitimate question

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Reagan, for example, worked in the private sector for much of his life

True. But does acting count as "business experience," though?



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 3:23:38 PM   
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He was a radio announcer, an actor, and a spokesman for GE.

Never in business.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 3:34:59 PM   
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Keep trying, eventually you might get close to posting his full resume

And since when was GE not a business. Since when was managing an acting career not a business, or a part of the private sector

Or are you just determined to fudge the truth and move the goal posts until youre almost correct about something

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He was a radio announcer, an actor, and a spokesman for GE.

Never in business.



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 3:50:18 PM   
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Keep trying, eventually you might get close to posting his full resume

And since when was GE not a business. Since when was managing an acting career not a business, or a part of the private sector

Or are you just determined to fudge the truth and move the goal posts until youre almost correct about something

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He was a radio announcer, an actor, and a spokesman for GE.

Never in business.



Nope. You're just full of shit.

Apparently, you're not familiar with the concept of "employee," which is what Reagan was in all three ventures.

And it being a spokesman is business experience, then Anita Bryant is an Orange Farmer.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 4:09:15 PM   
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Who is full of shit

Is it ignorance or convenience that makes you leave out that Reagan served as president of the screen actors guild

And since when does employment in the private sector not count as private sector experience, and why would you spit on a position of spokesman. Do you really see yourself so elite as that?

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Nope. You're just full of shit.

Apparently, you're not familiar with the concept of "employee," which is what Reagan was in all three ventures.

And it being a spokesman is business experience, then Anita Bryant is an Orange Farmer.



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 5:06:23 PM   
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He was a radio announcer, an actor, and a spokesman for GE.

Never in business.


Kinda glossed over Governor too, but that's par for the course for you progressives.

I love how you guys also ignore that Ryan has consistently won in a heavy democrat district, and took 65% of the vote in 08 where Obama took 54%

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 5:10:59 PM   
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Kinda glossed over Governor too, but that's par for the course for you progressives.

We were discussing private sector experience.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 5:25:27 PM   
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Rob's not real big on details DC....more concerned with the black and white of an issue ,if you take my drift

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 7:10:24 PM   
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LOL Tom, before he was Governor and rose to prominence....He WAS AN ACTOR!...

He was also part of the leadership of what was considered a pretty LEFtIST union!....but before politics, an ACTOR....you know win one for the Gipper and all that.

Unless of course being a radio host counts as a real live private sector leadership position....

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 7:54:14 PM   
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Kinda glossed over Governor too, but that's par for the course for you progressives.

I love how you guys also ignore that Ryan has consistently won in a heavy democrat district


1) Because Governor isn't a private sector position. Duh.
2) The thread is about Ryan's voting record. Hello.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 8:17:41 PM   
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That President Reagan was the president of SAG cannot be denied.

That Hollywood is a cesspool of liberalism and communism cannot be denied (to the point where conservatives have to "hide" their affiliation for fear of finding a lack of work).

It seems that Hollywood truly is like our own little "Bizarro World" where a bunch of things are reversed.

For example; when Reagan was president of SAG, was how people started referring to "Reagan Democrats" (He was a registered Democrat, at one time, I believe).

It was a "big deal" (at the time) when he ran for office as a republican (and insured that he would never work in Hollywood, again. Lots of the people there were already pissed at him).

Reagan was a lot of things but he was not "wet behind the ears" when it comes to real life.

I think some lines are being blurred, here, though.

Unfortunately, politics has become a profession in this country so, I don't discount someone not having "private sector" experience as long as they had "leadership experience" Ex: Mayor of NYC or Chicago is a pretty experience-inspiring position. L.A., I guess, could count, too.

Governorships count as they are the chief executive of that state (a ton of paralells).

How about people that rose to important ranks in the military, after not working much in "the private sector" or in political leadership. Sure, that could count, too. Gen. Powell, deciding to run, would energize me to the point of working on his campaign (FULL time).

Apparently, Mr. Ryan has little real life experience in the private sector and has been a congressman for a very long time. That makes him one of 435; not a chief exective.

On the other hand, Pretender Obama had little private sector experience and was one of 100.

Of course, they were both one of 535, if you want to lump the house and senate into one category marked "Very little power as an individual but able to kiss the asses of others to get shit done".

No, for me, this has become a one-issue race: Do I want four more years of president Abject Ofailure. Like four years ago, I'm willing to take a chance on someone new (who hasn't assaulted the constitution).



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 8:24:42 PM   
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I believe you are mistaken

Reagan, for example, worked in the private sector for much of his life

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I believe the last two Presidents with significant business experience were Herbert Hoover and George W. Bush.



Good to see you supporting a solid left wing enterprise like running a major union.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 8:35:40 PM   
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Reagan became very wizened by his time spent dealing with the various communist rats, but he never lost his sense of humor

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Washington had never seen anything quite like him: a one-time liberal Democrat turned Republican conservative who could disarm critics — even the press — with a sly comeback.

"Mr. President, in talking about the continuing recession tonight, you have blamed mistakes of the past and you've blamed the Congress. Does any of the blame belong to you?" asked ABC White House Correspondent Sam Donaldson.

"Yes, because for many years I was a Democrat," replied Mr. Reagan.

***

"Former Congressman Prentiss Walker dropped in on a farm and introduced himself as a Republican candidate. And as he tells it, the farmer's eyes lit up, and then he said, 'Wait 'til I get my wife. We've never seen a Republican before.' And a few minutes later he was back with his wife, and they asked Prentiss if he wouldn't give them a speech.

"Well, he looked around for a kind of a podium, something to stand on, and then the only thing available was a pile of that stuff that the late Mrs. Truman said it had taken her 35 years to get Harry to call 'fertilizer.' So, he stepped up on that and made his speech.

And apparently he won them over. And they told him it was the first time they'd ever heard a Republican. And he says, 'That's okay. That's the first time I've ever given a speech from a Democratic platform.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_162-621459.html



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:01:22 PM   
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That Hollywood is a cesspool of liberalism and communism cannot be denied (to the point where conservatives have to "hide" their affiliation for fear of finding a lack of work)


Anybody here remember the 1950s? McCarthy/Nixon?

LOL.

Several actors are outspoken Republicans. If they're hiding it, they're doing a piss poor job of that too.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:21:50 PM   
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Speaking of the lies and smears leftists like to spread about McCarthy to this day, Ann Coulter hasnt gone anywhere at all

In fact her current column touches on this very issue

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...As McCarthy said, some State Department employees with communist associations might be innocent. His point was: The Democrats were still refusing to take Soviet espionage seriously by investigating these preposterous risks on the government payroll.

Far from recklessly smearing people, McCarthy described each employee as a "case" and cited such evidence as their being identified as Soviet spies in FBI reports, by fellow spies and by the State Department itself. He reported their connections to known agents, attendance at "Youth International" meetings in Russia and repeated contacts with known Soviet espionage groups.

These were not baseless charges. And as we now know, they were absolutely true.

Sensible people knew it at the time, but the disgorging of Soviet archives as well as Soviet cables decrypted by the top-secret Venona project proved beyond a doubt that McCarthy was right about the individuals he named. None of them should have been allowed anywhere near a government office.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-08-08.html#read_more



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:27:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity (Emphasis by DaddySatyr in red)


Speaking of the lies and smears leftists like to spread about McCarthy to this day, Ann Coulter hasnt gone anywhere at all

In fact her current column touches on this very issue

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...As McCarthy said, some State Department employees with communist associations might be innocent. His point was: The Democrats were still refusing to take Soviet espionage seriously by investigating these preposterous risks on the government payroll.

Far from recklessly smearing people, McCarthy described each employee as a "case" and cited such evidence as their being identified as Soviet spies in FBI reports, by fellow spies and by the State Department itself. He reported their connections to known agents, attendance at "Youth International" meetings in Russia and repeated contacts with known Soviet espionage groups.

These were not baseless charges. And as we now know, they were absolutely true.

Sensible people knew it at the time, but the disgorging of Soviet archives as well as Soviet cables decrypted by the top-secret Venona project proved beyond a doubt that McCarthy was right about the individuals he named. None of them should have been allowed anywhere near a government office.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-08-08.html#read_more




I want to be very clear: communists have every right to be communists. People in this country have every right to be communists. The right they don't have is to my vote.

I don't care that Charlie Charlain might have been a communist. I don't care that the Baldwin brothers certainly sound like communists.

I just don't want communists within 500 miles of a government post (and the socialist in the oval office right now is lumped in there).



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:27:29 PM   
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Reagan became very wizened by his time spent dealing with the various communist rats, but he never lost his sense of humor


Actually he was a coward who couldn't rush to HUAC fast enough to name names. If there was anything more unAmerican than HUAC and the blacklist it was the cowards who named names.

But maybe he thought destroying innocent people's lives was funny.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:31:11 PM   
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Again, it wasnt that they were communists, it was that they were Soviet agents

We were at war, though it was a cold war it was very much war all the same, with all the risks associated for the population

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ORIGINAL: Sanity (Emphasis by DaddySatyr in red)


Speaking of the lies and smears leftists like to spread about McCarthy to this day, Ann Coulter hasnt gone anywhere at all

In fact her current column touches on this very issue

quote:



...As McCarthy said, some State Department employees with communist associations might be innocent. His point was: The Democrats were still refusing to take Soviet espionage seriously by investigating these preposterous risks on the government payroll.

Far from recklessly smearing people, McCarthy described each employee as a "case" and cited such evidence as their being identified as Soviet spies in FBI reports, by fellow spies and by the State Department itself. He reported their connections to known agents, attendance at "Youth International" meetings in Russia and repeated contacts with known Soviet espionage groups.

These were not baseless charges. And as we now know, they were absolutely true.

Sensible people knew it at the time, but the disgorging of Soviet archives as well as Soviet cables decrypted by the top-secret Venona project proved beyond a doubt that McCarthy was right about the individuals he named. None of them should have been allowed anywhere near a government office.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-08-08.html#read_more




I want to be very clear: communists have every right to be communists. People in this country have every right to be communists. The right they don't have is to my vote.

I don't care that Charlie Charlain might have been a communist. I don't care that the Baldwin brothers certainly sound like communists.

I just don't want communists within 500 miles of a government post (and the socialist in the oval office right now is lumped in there).



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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:34:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Speaking of the lies and smears leftists like to spread about McCarthy to this day, Ann Coulter hasnt gone anywhere at all

In fact her current column touches on this very issue

quote:



...As McCarthy said, some State Department employees with communist associations might be innocent. His point was: The Democrats were still refusing to take Soviet espionage seriously by investigating these preposterous risks on the government payroll.

Far from recklessly smearing people, McCarthy described each employee as a "case" and cited such evidence as their being identified as Soviet spies in FBI reports, by fellow spies and by the State Department itself. He reported their connections to known agents, attendance at "Youth International" meetings in Russia and repeated contacts with known Soviet espionage groups.

These were not baseless charges. And as we now know, they were absolutely true.

Sensible people knew it at the time, but the disgorging of Soviet archives as well as Soviet cables decrypted by the top-secret Venona project proved beyond a doubt that McCarthy was right about the individuals he named. None of them should have been allowed anywhere near a government office.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-08-08.html#read_more



What a load of crap. How many names were on his piece of paper? in the course of a single weekend it changed several times.

As to Coulter's lies about Venona
http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page62.html
Thats 159 people McCarthy claimed were Soviet agents but only 9 were sources or agents.

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RE: Paul Ryan's Voting Record - 8/12/2012 9:58:09 PM   
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Again, it wasnt that they were communists, it was that they were Soviet agents

We were at war, though it was a cold war it was very much war all the same, with all the risks associated for the population



I will grant that someone who is already a communist is more likely to become a soviet agent. I can't say that the soviet union is no longer a threat because ever since the wall fell, I have been telling people that communism was just "falling back and re-grouping".

Marx believed that capitalism needed to run its course in order for communism to truly take hold. I guess, argued from the communist point of view, one could say that they just needed to step away from communism to re-charge their batteries.

What's troubling is that it seems we've lost the cold war.

People that are considered to be "mainstream democrats" are very much on their way to socialism, at best.

I think we lost the war.

We've come to a point where what used to be common sense American values are now ridiculed by the left and there's a ton of sheeple that are just happy to go with the flow because a person has the right letter after their name.

I've asked people: "Why are you a democrat?" While not a formal poll, I would say that 70% of the time the answer I get is: "My parents were democrats".

I guess that's valid. Although, a rallying cry of a lot of the Baby Boomers is: "Our parents were wrong".

I think we lost the cold war and I think those chickens are coming home to roost. Where's Gen. Patton, when we need him?



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