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Hillwilliam -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 10:03:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

For the record, I dont think 100% wind, solar and water is possible but I think that if you toss fusion into the mix, we can exceed 90.

Fusion will always require more input power than we get out, barring a successful unified field theory and a way to manipuate gravity.

Maybe, maybe not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3981697/Scientists-plan-to-ignite-tiny-man-made-star.html
http://www.gizmag.com/general-fusion-nuclear-prototype/12420/
http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/52847-mit-finds-new-mode-for-fusion-reactions
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/nse-fusion-program-moves-beyond-plasma-toward-practical-powerplant-issues.html




Real0ne -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 11:02:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirNose


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Look up the word "also" hill, and meditate on it [;)]



As in you are "also" doing your usual off topic whining.[:D]

The topic has to do with the fact that oil is finite and we have no plan for a post petroleum civilization.
It doesnt matter where we drill or where we pipe it to and from. Some day, it'll run out and then what?
It doesn't matter how much we drill. If some tin pot camel herder can rattle sabers 8000 miles away and drive our financial markets crazy, we need another plan.
The lemmings dont understand that.



the technology has been here for well over 100 years for free completely renewable energy.

it was shot down when they found out, and because certain BANKERS and their BED BUDDIES the GUBAFIA couldnt make money from it.



In June 1902 Tesla moved his laboratory operations from his Houston Street laboratory to Wardenclyffe. However in 1903, when the tower structure was near completion, it was still not yet functional due to last-minute design changes. In addition to commercial wireless telecommunications, Tesla intended the tower be used to demonstrate how electrical energy could be transmitted without the need for power lines. A story has arisen that the power consumption could not be metered and Morgan, who could not foresee any financial gain from providing free electricity to everyone, balked.[citation needed] Construction costs eventually exceeded the money provided by Morgan and additional financiers were reluctant to come forward (Tesla's other major financier was John Jacob Astor). By July 1904 Morgan (and the other investors) finally decided they would not provide any additional financing. Morgan also discouraged other investors from backing the project.[citation needed] In May 1905 Tesla's patents on alternating current motors and other methods of power transmission expired, halting royalty payments and causing a severe reduction of funding to the Wardenclyffe Tower. In an attempt to find alternative funding Tesla advertised the services of the Wardenclyffe facility but he was met with little success. By this time Tesla had also designed the Tesla turbine at Wardenclyffe and produced Tesla coils for sale to various businesses.

By 1905, since Tesla could not find any more backers, most of the site's activity had to be shut down.



its not and never has been what is good for the population of the country or the worlkd at large, if it does not make certain pockets heavy with cash it will NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN.

I dont give a shit if it was Jesus Christ come down t save the world it would be outlawed unless it can be securitized and taxed.

~welcome to the desert of the real.

That was a power transmission system, not a way of generating electricity in the first place, so not really relevant, whatever Christopher Nolan has to say...


People understand so little about "electricity".
Tesla not only planned to supply the whole freakin world with free power but light the cenans as well



Sky voltage
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Sky voltage refers to an electrostatic voltage gradient that is present in the free air of the atmosphere, and which can have a different voltage potential relative to the surface of the planet. The gradient varies with atmospheric humidity, dropping lower on days with high humidity, and higher in very dry air. The voltage potential averages about 120 volts per meter.[1]

Tall insulated metallic objects can absorb these voltage gradients out of the atmosphere, and conduct the voltage to a terrestrial collection and measurement station.

Small lightweight electrostatic motors and toys can be driven from this collected sky voltage when one side is connected to earth ground, and the other is connected to the sky collector, such as a kite or balloon with a foil collector and fine wire running down to the ground. A collector 200-300 ft high can develop a sky to ground potential as high as 20,000 volts. [2]
Sky voltage and the electrical neutral wire

Sky voltage was a problem for early electrical power and communications grids which used suspended insulated bare wire to transport current. These suspended wires also acted as sky voltage collectors, and could result in dangerous electric sparking from electrical devices to nearby earth grounded metal, or sparking to the people touching the electrical devices. Due to having wires spanning tens and hundreds of miles, the wire has the capacitive potential to store large charge quantities across the system that could prove lethal to energy customers. Lightning striking near an electrical power device also had the potential to leak dangerous high voltages into the system that could spread throughout the system in moments.

In order to safely dissipate this collected sky voltage, one current-carrying wire of the electrical grid is connected to a grounding rod at regular intervals throughout the power system. This serves to discharge and bleed off any large voltage charges being collected from the suspended wires. WASTE This wire is called the neutral, since its voltage is zero relative to the earth ground.

Modern three-phase transmission lines also include a fourth suspended grounding wire which carries no load, but helps to absorb the sky voltage and prevent electrostatic buildup in the other poly-phase current-transporting wires.



tesla developed methods to "bring it down" to his tower and pull off the unlimited power around the earth and of course using the earth itself as an integral part of the transmitter the return path is back to the sky! Hence completely renewable and forever as long we the earth continues to rotate.

and yes it was tested functional at colorado springs much to the shagrin of the naysayers.


then secondly because the transmission meduim is NOT ELECTRONS it acts like a funnel dragging any energy in its path into it adding to the energy being transmitted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower


artists concept

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/ttower3-300x224.jpg[/image]

its timely but it wont go anywhere since this is not a government of the people but a government of the leaders and the idjits seem to like it that way.

kiss all the best things to be had good bye




Musicmystery -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 11:28:26 AM)

[image]http://www.ev.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Huge-solar-spills-create...very-nice-days600x375.jpg[/image]




atursvcMaam -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 11:29:11 AM)

Sorry it has taken me a while to read through and not be repeating anyone. This is a wonderful idea and concept. The unfortunate part of this is that it is a pipe dream that will never be realized if one relies on the government. The question is not so much who is lining whose pockets with the exception of "how do we tax it?" from the politicians. It will be worded as "Where do we fund the tax cut?"
If you are wondering, "what tax cut?" consider this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9DSesf5FcFU/TbiP0dd3gbI/AAAAAAAAPP0/vHxw-Mhz-7w/s1600/statetgastax.jpg which shows gasoline taxes are at an average of 48 cents per gallon.
For the politicians to back this idea, you need to show them how they will win the tax wars with this prospect. Careful though, that is kind of like the cow bringing the steak sauce to the barbecue.




sisymaidvictoria -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 11:30:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

My real argument includes facts such as, we can drill for our own oil and natural gas right here, right now, and mine coal, as well as open the keystone pipeline which would allow a flood of abundant Canadian oil to fuel our industry and lift our economy as well as provide affordable, abundant energy for our poor



Oil is traded globally and only 11% of it is produced in America. So even if we were to double the amount of oil we produce every day (from 7.8 million barrels a day to 15.6 million a day) the global supply would go from 87.5 million a day to 95.1 million. Basically your $4 gallon of gas would drop down to $3.64.

Source

The Keystone pipeline would carry about 830,000 barrels of oil a day. You do the math for how much that might actually save in prices.

Source




Musicmystery -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 11:35:24 AM)

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This is a wonderful idea and concept. The unfortunate part of this is that it is a pipe dream that will never be realized


Not. Already happening.

[image]http://www.alaskadispatch.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshow_image_large/images/topic/news/fire-island-wind-1.jpg[/image]

[image]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b5hcKABPlGI/S_NorgzH6SI/AAAAAAAAfsU/v0xqD_9xLzU/s1600/5-1910d.png[/image]

Large air spills? Or oil spills?

[image]http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content_2/choice-and-consequence.jpg[/image]




atursvcMaam -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:04:39 PM)

Not a lot of detail in first pic, but the second one shows a gas powered tractor. Not to nit pick, but it is a way to 100%, and the government has to see a way to tax it for the politicians to drop the reasons that it will not work. The pictures are pretty, but do not answer the question. Drop the taxrevenue from Petroleum, where do you look to replace that income?




Musicmystery -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:08:48 PM)

Money doesn't just go away. Are you worried there will be noting to spend it on?

Petroleum in the U.S. controls the farming industry. And any good business knows to grow and change with the market.

Imagine the savings from NOT having to clean up the pollution. Imagine the boon to the fishing and sporting industries.




Musicmystery -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:24:33 PM)

I get up every day and there's more wind and sun, immediately or on its way.

Sounds damn renewable to me. And easy.

My house is heated passively with solar.

For free. Forever. That. Easy.




Sanity -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:27:58 PM)


As long as the toxic metals mines and associated toxic waste that are needed for the batteries which make wind and solar viable are located in third world countries, youre fine with it?

(China is placing embargoes on their scarce metals btw)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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This is a wonderful idea and concept. The unfortunate part of this is that it is a pipe dream that will never be realized


Not. Already happening.

[image]http://www.alaskadispatch.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshow_image_large/images/topic/news/fire-island-wind-1.jpg[/image]

[image]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b5hcKABPlGI/S_NorgzH6SI/AAAAAAAAfsU/v0xqD_9xLzU/s1600/5-1910d.png[/image]

Large air spills? Or oil spills?

[image]http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content_2/choice-and-consequence.jpg[/image]

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Where are the toxic batteries?

The toxic mine sites?

The toxic battery waste?

Are they hidden under the grass, or are they just out of sight?




TheHeretic -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:29:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

My house is heated passively with solar.



So is mine.  I need some damn electricity to cool it down, though.




Sanity -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:34:49 PM)


What a coincidence

The sun heats my house as well




Musicmystery -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:42:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


As long as the toxic metals mines and associated toxic waste that are needed for the batteries which make wind and solar viable are located in third world countries, youre fine with it?

(China is placing embargoes on their scarce metals btw)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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This is a wonderful idea and concept. The unfortunate part of this is that it is a pipe dream that will never be realized


Not. Already happening.

[image]http://www.alaskadispatch.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshow_image_large/images/topic/news/fire-island-wind-1.jpg[/image]

[image]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b5hcKABPlGI/S_NorgzH6SI/AAAAAAAAfsU/v0xqD_9xLzU/s1600/5-1910d.png[/image]

Large air spills? Or oil spills?

[image]http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content_2/choice-and-consequence.jpg[/image]

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Where are the toxic batteries?

The toxic mine sites?

The toxic battery waste?

Are they hidden under the grass, or are they just out of sight?


Wind power isn't stored in batteries; it can go right into the grid.

Better than the alternative? Absolutely!

You advocate for social justice you. [8|]

[image]http://whsword.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/bp-oil-spill1.jpg[/image]
[image]http://www.oceanleadership.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/oil-spill-clear-up.jpg[/image]
[image]http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/images/wsci_03_img0401.jpg[/image]
[image]http://marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oil-spill-effects-bird.jpg[/image]
[image]http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content_2/deep-water-drilling.jpg[/image]

[image]http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/16338855/view/1/producttypecolor/2/type/png/width/280/height/280/breaking-large-air-spill-at-wind-farm-no-threats-reported-some-claim-to-enjoy-the-breeze-submitted-by-r-legit-may-3-2010_design.png[/image]
[image]http://www.green-blog.org/media/images/uploads/2010/02/solar-power-energy-cartoon-funny1.jpg[/image]




TheHeretic -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:45:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The sun heats my house as well


I do find a need to augment that a little, from time to time.  Say on winter nights when the temperature drops into the single digits...  Burning wood is really inefficient, by the time you get it to the house, but there is this amazing stuff that comes out of the ground, and delivered to my house by a pipe.  Cool stuff.  The stove, clothes dryer, and water heater work on it, too!




Politesub53 -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:45:45 PM)

Possible but not practical, or indeed cost effective. It will probably come in time but as yet we still have to rely on conventional power means.




SternSkipper -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 12:51:22 PM)

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As fuel prices continue to rise, driving more and more people into record poverty remember that Obama is also blocking the keystone pipeline


And we'll do so using the helpful aid of a picture of ANWAR, that has fuck-all to do with the keystone pipeline.
Interesting technique[8D]




SternSkipper -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 1:31:12 PM)

Peguins Saturated with Oil are Tuly Penguins In Bondage[image]http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/images/wsci_03_img0401.jpg[/image]
You know there must be a Peguin bonds down.. When ya hear that terrible screamin and there ain't no other birds around




atursvcMaam -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 2:07:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Money doesn't just go away. Are you worried there will be noting to spend it on?

Petroleum in the U.S. controls the farming industry. And any good business knows to grow and change with the market.

Imagine the savings from NOT having to clean up the pollution. Imagine the boon to the fishing and sporting industries.


134 billion gallons of fuel per year x .41 per gallon = 55 billion a year in tax revenue. Where is the government going to replace that income??? The money does not go away, the people get to keep it. That just is not right. Why do you think Obama wants to keep his hands in the green energy development and why do you think Kennedy was against windfarming off Cape Cod??? They will go whole hog in that direction if it provides a taxable source of energy.




VideoAdminTheta -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 5:32:23 PM)

I've removed over thirty post from this thread, so I am sure it is pretty hacked up. I really hated to take a number of these post as the poster did nothing more than to respond to other posters that had broken some sort of TOS or Guidelines for the forum. When people start arguing and breaking the rules, many others are ending up paying for it with hacked up threads and their time wasted.

Normally this thread wouldn't be returned to the forum, so please keep it clean from this point on.

Thank you




slvemike4u -> RE: 100% wind, water, solar power possible (8/12/2012 5:44:35 PM)

Please use clean,renewable energy while keeping it clean.......thankyou [:)]




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