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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/16/2012 7:30:44 PM   
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I don't think of removing the shoulds and shouldn'ts as bestial, but primal.
I'm still human.

But I'm having trouble seeing pet play as dehumanizing. Yes, I know a dog or cat isn't human. But a human accessing their inner cat is being human. Just in a different way than we normally think of it.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/16/2012 7:40:07 PM   
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If I have a toaster, I just stick the bread into it, and it makes toast. No one talks to the toaster."


ha ha...that sounds like something Master would say. He usually says something like that...."a slave doesn't need to think, just do".

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/16/2012 7:43:53 PM   
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Haha....we've done the whole human urinal thing and he likes that he can do so and not have to interrupt what he's doing.


Okay, so less amusing than hot, really. I can't say I'm surprised. It's such a practical arrangement.

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We've talked about doing it more and more often.


Y'all will keep us all up to date on that, I hope?

I mean, as the advocate general of the guy Kana is supposed to succeed, I should know what to tell the press and all that.

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Recently we bought a gag that has different attachments.


Nifty. There's a German (of course) company that makes a whole line of custom gags, hoods and the like, with attachments. That the one?

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We both enjoy such things because I feel of use to him and it means just not having to think, not having to worry about doing something incorrectly or anything at all.


Yeah, that's why I started looking into the pet paradigm. Simple life and simple expectations, leading (with a pinch of the magic ingredient and fast forward over the six chefs working to produce the dish behind the scenes) to a simpler mind with simpler needs. Unpleasantness is a transient state of affairs. Contentedness need not be. It might not be very productive, but that has never been my reason for keeping other pets. I like pets. Figure a human is the next step. Live longer, look better, and have fringe benefits. What's not to like, right?



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I get to just shut off my brain for awhile which is really nice when you are the type of person I am whose mind runs 24/7 and is hard to shut off.


Now, there's a familiar problem.

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One of us I'm sure will keep you up to date. I mean, being the next in line, you gotta know what you have to live up to right?

The gag we have is a cheaper, generic version of the German one. But hey, it works for what it needs to work for. lol And yeah, the whole idea of just being able to shut off my head once in awhile is like heaven for me! It's one of the reasons I like tight, strict bondage and mummification. It allows me to just zone out and the chemicals in my body take over so I just fly and there's nothing else going on in me. Everything becomes quiet. That for me is just absolutely wonderful!


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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/16/2012 8:00:51 PM   
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Somewhere here, between the two of you, I feel like I'm owed a good solid shaking of my head accompanied by random grumbling under my breath about kinksters.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/16/2012 8:18:18 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/16/2012 10:00:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don't think of removing the shoulds and shouldn'ts as bestial, but primal.
I'm still human.

But I'm having trouble seeing pet play as dehumanizing. Yes, I know a dog or cat isn't human. But a human accessing their inner cat is being human. Just in a different way than we normally think of it.

I tend to agree with this. I prefer the term/concept of objectification, rather than dehumanization. I can be treated like an object, even feel like an object, but I'm always aware of my humanness, even if only at a subconscious level.


When I think of dehumanization I think more along the lines of debasement for some reason, although I'm not sure why.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:45:00 AM   
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But I'm having trouble seeing pet play as dehumanizing. Yes, I know a dog or cat isn't human. But a human accessing their inner cat is being human. Just in a different way than we normally think of it.


I never said dog or cat. I said human.

Pet is a role in a person's life, not a set of species.

The day you see me with a litter box, you know it's a clone and the real me is somewhere getting probed.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 7:39:48 AM   
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Recently we bought a gag that has different attachments.


And I noticed yesterday that the bathroom was dirty

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:47:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

One of us I'm sure will keep you up to date. I mean, being the next in line, you gotta know what you have to live up to right?


I'm next in line now? Does this mean Kana is going to bequest you to me?

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The gag we have is a cheaper, generic version of the German one.


Yeah, I would go for that, too. Those things are damn expensive.

If it weren't for all the hair, you could also look into casting a mask yourself.

Hard shell masks are pretty cool, too, especially if you're a tech geek like me that knows how to stick all sorts of crazy stuff into it. The downside is that you have to machine the attachments, although the silver lining is that a threaded attachment is freakishly solid. If you have had a CT done, it is possible to use that to create a model that can be 3D printed, though, with attachments of whatever sort you can dream up. Same thing works for body shells, but those are more distinctly a fetish item, for people who like gynoids and the like.

Put some foil on to protect the hair, then a plaster cast. One half of the head at a time since it's hard to split the plaster without breaking it. Add wax or somesuch to a thickness of a quarter inch or less, then a second layer of plaster. Let it dry and take it off, then do the other half. Melt the wax to seperate the inner and outer casts. These you use to make a lost wax mold that you pour molten aluminium into. Drill holes in it for magnets or nuts and bolts. If you use magnets, leave something to hold on to, as those are damn strong these days. Does look pretty with the whole thing seamless, though. Rings and the like are added as needed, as are holes. Grind and polish the surface, rounding any sharp edges. Maybe add something soft to the inside. If he's fond of the screaming, you could play with a brazen bull attachment to the mouth piece. Anyway, silver plate it and polish it again. The silver is antimicrobial and looks gorgeous when polished.

A fair bit of work, but not very expensive, and it lasts a lifetime. Could even get you some business if you show it off at some kink event. It is easy to add all sorts of sensory deprivation toys, like earphones, lights and the like. Shortly thereafter, you find yourself strapped down, no senses above the neck, except for the white noise and a crazy firework of blinking lights of different colors, while he is doing unspeakable things to the parts you can feel. Or maybe some lidocaine will take it all away, except the intimate parts, and you're left with no sense of time, wondering whether that was viagra or guests taking turns.

Except Kana is ebil and will come up with something far more interesting, of course.

And I might be the only one with a 'thing' for silver masks.

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That for me is just absolutely wonderful!


Yeah, I can relate to that, although from the handle side of things, of course.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:49:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

Somewhere here, between the two of you, I feel like I'm owed a good solid shaking of my head accompanied by random grumbling under my breath about kinksters.


Heh... just you wait till the day the law up here permits speaking freely about the whole spectrum of fun people can have...

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:57:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

And I noticed yesterday that the bathroom was dirty


Cleaning fluid... bulb... mouth... hose... brush... shiny.

Dang, man, I'm suddenly seeing a whole maid package in my head, and I already have a maid.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 10:29:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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Recently we bought a gag that has different attachments.


Nifty. There's a German (of course) company that makes a whole line of custom gags, hoods and the like, with attachments. That the one?




Okay this is sort of off topic but I love this kind of gear so...

So there is this version made by Fetish Fantasy and sold various places:
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-131438098032461_2223_91511387

And there is this guy based in Seattle:
http://scottpauldesigns.com/the-humiliator-gag-system
(Highly recommended BTW, this is the toy that gets pulled out most around here, together with his click-a-cuff system)

I'm not aware of a German manufacture of similar gear, but I'd love a link if you don't mind.

< Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 8/17/2012 10:34:26 AM >


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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 10:29:45 AM   
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Origin:DesFIP

But I'm having trouble seeing pet play as dehumanizing. Yes, I know a dog or cat isn't human. But a human accessing their inner cat is being human. Just in a different way than we normally think of it.


This skill is uniquely human. Not just mimicry, but actual awareness of being a cat (the fluffy little psychotic bastards that they are).

My mind goes all over the place, during pet play. I am not sure if it is all of the humanizing that is done to all of our actual pets, or if it is the human pet being more aware of the manipulation of their own character traits. On top of that I tend to be a lot more gentle to a human pet, as compared to when I'm objectifying/dehumanizing the raw state of a woman.

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Origin: JeffBC
So that makes it no different than all the other ways I casually use her to achieve my aims or for my convenience.


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Origin: Aswad
Which was the point. It probably has no utility for anyone that's already there (e.g. you), but it can be useful for people struggling to get there, or people that explicitly eroticize this dehumanization (or, perhaps we should say utilization?) element. Preaching to the choir in this instance, apparently, which is good to know. For someone that isn't there yet, it can both be a taste (pun sort of intended) of the mindset, and an aid to getting there, like any other activity. The whole thing about it slowly dawning that "dang, this actually is more convenient, and why not?"


I believe Kana, Aswad and JeffBC who live the 24/7 relationship don't have as big of a, if any, kind of mental hurdle to leap over. Their partners/ appliances have already been built up to expect to make toast, while both individuals are cherished for their function.
I guess I didn't see myself being in a struggle to get there, but I know I don't end up there until I use these tools to bring us both over the vanilla line.

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A long time ago, I heard a gay dom telling his sub he wanted him to become an "appliance" rather than a slave.

When the sub asked what the difference was, he told him, "Suppose I want some toast. If I have a slave, I tell the slave to make me some toast. If I have a toaster, I just stick the bread into it, and it makes toast. No one talks to the toaster."

limpshorty



Thank you! This is the simplest analogy that I’ve heard in long time. I will have to put it to use sometime soon.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 2:57:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

Okay this is sort of off topic but I love this kind of gear so... So there is this version made by Fetish Fantasy and sold various places: [...] And there is this guy based in Seattle [...] (Highly recommended BTW, this is the toy that gets pulled out most around here, together with his click-a-cuff system) I'm not aware of a German manufacture of similar gear, but I'd love a link if you don't mind.


Can't seem to find them, but Mr. S Leather carries some visually similar hoods, as does Fetter.

Of course, those aren't attachment based, but rather purpose made.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 3:08:01 PM   
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So there is this version made by Fetish Fantasy and sold various places:
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-131438098032461_2223_91511387


This is the one we have. I'm regretting buying it now.

hhhmmm....now I gotta wonder just who he is gonna bequeath me to. Damn...never thought of that! You might have to line up!

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 4:50:16 PM   
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He could go for a lottery?

Incidentally, if the gag lacks a quick release on the brush attachment, you may want to be careful about flushing with your head in the bowl... hopefully unneeded safety tip.

ETA: Take someone far, and continuity becomes an issue. You're not supposed to need to think about that. He probably already has.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 5:47:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

He could go for a lottery?

Incidentally, if the gag lacks a quick release on the brush attachment, you may want to be careful about flushing with your head in the bowl... hopefully unneeded safety tip.



Thx for the links, especially that first one is absolutely awesome. That's SO added to the shopping list.

The Scott Paul one actually locks in place, so taking it off quickly isn't possible.
However, the handle that attaches the various parts gives him enough leverage to actually pull the gag over my chin without opening it, while still being tight enough so that I can't expel it on my own.
It's very easy to breath through, so I doubt that it would ever become an issue no matter how much water is involved, unless something like a panic attach would occur.


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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:15:35 PM   
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Y'all will keep us all up to date on that, I hope?


Kana sez: Ask and ye shall receive-thanks to Ishy for the original inspiration re the brush


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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:22:46 PM   
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The before pic-note the high icky factor




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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:24:06 PM   
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Cleaning utensil #1




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